Friday, October 10, 2025

Fastiggi and Sonna on Catholicism and capital punishment

Recently, theologian Robert Fastiggi was interviewed about the topic of the Church and the death penalty by apologist Suan Sonna on his podcast Intellectual Catholicism.  Fastiggi’s views are the focus of the discussion, but Sonna, who largely agrees with him, adds some points of his own.  Their main concern in the discussion is to try to defend the changes Pope Francis made to the Church’s presentation of her teaching on the subject. 

I appreciate their civility, and Fastiggi’s call at the end of the interview for charity in dealing with those who disagree.  But their attempt fails.  Much of what Fastiggi has to say are reheated claims that I have already refuted in past exchanges with him, such as the two-part essay I wrote in response to his series on the death penalty at Where Peter Is.  (You can find it here and here.  The essay was reprinted as a single long article in Ultramontanism and Tradition, edited by Peter Kwasniewski.)  Fastiggi simply repeats his assertions without acknowledging, much less answering, my rebuttals.  He also makes some new claims, which are no more plausible than the older ones.  Let’s take a look.

A straw man

In any fruitful discussion of this topic, it must constantly be kept in mind that there are two questions that need to be clearly distinguished.  First, is the death penalty intrinsically wrong?  And second, even if it is not intrinsically wrong, is it nevertheless morally better never to resort to it?  To answer “Yes” to the first question is to say that capital punishment of its very nature, and regardless of the circumstances, is wrong, and thus can never even in principle be used.  But someone could answer “No” to the first question and still answer “Yes” to the second.  To take this view is to say that while in theory the death penalty could be justified in certain circumstances, in practice those circumstances never obtain, at least not today, and that the moral considerations that tell against its use outweigh those that speak in favor of it.

People who comment on the topic of Catholicism and capital punishment very frequently ignore this distinction.  The result is that they often talk past one another and the discussion generates more heat than light.  Now, at the beginning of their conversation, Fastiggi and Sonna are, to their credit, careful to note the distinction.  But unfortunately, later in their discussion, they ignore it, and this leads them to attack a straw man.

In particular, Fastiggi claims (after the 35 minute mark in the video) that “people say, well, the Church has always taught, always allowed for the [death penalty].”  Arguing against this, Fastiggi cites some Fathers of the Church who were against capital punishment, and concludes that “it’s almost like a myth, this 2,000 year old tradition, but if it’s repeated enough by commentators and writers, then people begin to believe it.”  Similarly, Sonna remarks (around the 45 minute mark) that “a lot of people have this impression that the Church, as if it were this uniform block, this constant unchanging permanent wall, has just consistently said the death penalty’s fine, you know, go ahead and do it.”  But in fact, he continues, “historically, there was an uneasiness at times with the death penalty.”  Fastiggi and Sonna make a big deal out of this theme, as if it is a damning point against Catholic defenders of the death penalty.

But not so fast.  For here too we need to distinguish two claims, namely:

(1) The Church always taught for 2,000 years that the death penalty is not intrinsically wrong.

(2) The Church always taught for 2,000 years that the death penalty is not only not intrinsically wrong, but that it is generally a good idea and should be used.

I know of many Catholic defenders of capital punishment who have asserted claim (1), including myself.  But claim (1) is by no means a “myth.”  It is demonstrably true, as Joseph Bessette and I document in detail in our book By Man Shall His Blood Be Shed: A Catholic Defense of Capital Punishment.  Indeed, in his own book on the subject, E. Christian Brugger, the foremost Catholic theologian who argues against capital punishment – and someone who even claims that the death penalty is intrinsically wrong – admits that (1) is true.  In fact, even Fastiggi and Sonna appear to concede it.  Fastiggi acknowledges that the Fathers he cites “don’t necessarily challenge the state’s right to [execute],” but merely argue against exercising that right.  And Sonna admits that “maybe we can’t dispute that the state has the right, technically, to do it.”

By contrast, claim (2) is indeed false, for just the reasons Fastiggi gives.  But I cannot think of a single person who endorses claim (2) in the first place.  (Certainly Joe Bessette and I explicitly acknowledge in our book that some Fathers and popes held that it was morally better not to resort to the death penalty.)  So, when Fastiggi cites what certain of the Fathers say as evidence against a “myth” he alleges many are peddling, he is attacking a thesis that no one in fact holds.  It seems otherwise to him and to Sonna only because they ignore the distinction between (1) and (2).

Misrepresenting John Paul II

Sloppiness of this kind often leads Fastiggi to misrepresent the views of his opponents and the nature of their disagreement with him.  It also leads him to misrepresent a pope he appeals to in defense of his position, namely Pope St. John Paul II.  About seven minutes into the video, Fastiggi suggests that the Church now condemns not only killing the innocent, but “intentional killing” as such.  He says:

The reason why the Church has now developed her teaching to be opposed to capital punishment is because it involves intentional killing, and then the question of course of whether or not a murderer loses human dignity and the right to life.  And really, the turning point of this was St. John Paul II.  In Evangelium Vitae number 9, he says not even a murderer loses his dignity.

After the 50 minute mark, Fastiggi returns to the theme, and says:

I think a leap was made with the understanding that punishing people by intentionally killing them is an offense against the inviolability of life.  The theoretical question is, does a serious crime take away the right to life?  And John Paul II answered that in Evangelium Vitae 9.  That was the breakthrough, that not even a murderer loses his dignity and right to life.

This is sleight of hand.  It is true that Evangelium Vitae 9 says that “not even a murderer loses his personal dignity.”  But the encyclical nowhere says that a murderer does not lose his right to life.  Instead, it speaks of “the absolute inviolability of innocent human life,” “the inviolable right to life of every innocent human being” and again, of “fundamental human rights, beginning with the right to life of every innocent human being”; it says that “as far as the right to life is concerned, every innocent human being is absolutely equal to all others”; it teaches that “a law which violates an innocent person's natural right to life is unjust and, as such, is not valid as a law”; and it calls for “unconditional respect for the right to life of every innocent person” (emphasis added).  And it explicitly allows that the execution of those guilty of the gravest offenses is permissible “in cases of absolute necessity.”  That would not be possible if the murderer never loses his right to life.

It is true that Evangelium Vitae also says that bloodless means are preferable where possible because they are “more in line with human dignity” and “more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.”  But notice that that does not entail that capital punishment is not at all in line with human dignity, only that it is less in line with it.  (Compare: To say that Ricky is more talented than Fred does not entail that Fred is altogether untalented; to say that Ethel is more intelligent than Lucy does not entail that Lucy is altogether unintelligent; and so on.)  So, from the claim that (a) not even a murderer loses his dignity, together with the claim that (b) the death penalty is less in line with human dignity than milder punishments, it simply does not follow that (c) capital punishment is flatly incompatible with the murderer’s dignity, and neither does it follow that (d) the murderer does not lose his right to life.  Nor, again, does John Paul II draw those conclusions.

Perhaps Fastiggi would say that John Paul II should have drawn those conclusions, and that in failing to do so he was being inconsistent.  But there are several problems with such a response.  First, it wouldn’t change the fact that John Paul II did not in fact draw them, and thus did not in fact say the things Fastiggi attributes to him.  Second, for the reasons I have given, the conclusions do not in fact follow logically from John Paul II’s premises, so that the pope was not being inconsistent.  Third, if there are two ways of reading a papal document, in one of which it contains an inconsistency and in the other of which it does not, the second is to be preferred.  Hence, for that reason alone, we should reject Fastiggi’s reading.  Fourth, Fastiggi’s reading would imply that John Paul II was not only not consistent with himself, but also contradicted his predecessors – such as Pope Pius XII, who taught:

Even when it is a question of the execution of a man condemned to death, the State does not dispose of the individual's right to live.  It is reserved rather to the public authority to deprive the criminal of the benefit of life when already, by his crime, he has deprived himself of the right to live. (Address to the First International Congress on the Histopathology of the Nervous System, 1952, emphasis added)

Certainly, implicitly to accuse one pope (John Paul II) of inconsistency and another pope (Pius XII) of grave moral error is a strange way to try to defend a third pope (Francis)!

In any event, Joe Bessette and I provide a very detailed analysis of John Paul II’s teaching at pp. 144-82 of our book.  As we demonstrate there, when one considers the entirety of the evidence (and not just the usual cherry-picked phrases Catholic opponents of capital punishment like to quote), it is crystal clear that the pope’s teaching was in no way an alteration or even development of traditional doctrine, but simply a prudential judgment about how to apply that doctrine to contemporary circumstances.  Like so many of our critics, Fastiggi offers no response at all to the arguments we give there, but pretends they don’t exist.

Obfuscating on Pope Francis

Beginning at about 12 minutes into their discussion, Fastiggi and Sonna argue that Pope Francis has, in any event, not actually taught that the death penalty is intrinsically wrong.  They focus on the pope’s 2018 revision to the Catechism, and suggest that it implicitly acknowledges that capital punishment is permissible in theory, and simply teaches that it is inadmissible under current circumstances.

This is a defensible position, as far as it goes.  I have always myself acknowledged that the revision can and should be read in such a way that it is not teaching that capital punishment is intrinsically evil.  But that is only part of the story.  For one thing, the problem with the revision is that this is not a natural reading of it.  The revised text characterizes the death penalty as “an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person.”  On a natural reading, that seems to imply that capital punishment is intrinsically at odds with human dignity (rather than being at odds with it only if certain conditions fail to hold), and thus intrinsically wrong.  Yes, it need not be read that way, but magisterial statements should be clearly consistent with traditional teaching, not merely consistent with it on a strained reading.

For another thing, other magisterial statements made during Pope Francis’s pontificate are much harder to reconcile with the traditional teaching.  For example, in a 2017 address, the pope asserted that “the death penalty is an inhumane measure that, regardless of how it is carried out, abases human dignity.  It is per se contrary to the Gospel” (emphasis added).  The italicized phrases are most naturally read as claiming that capital punishment is always and intrinsically wrong.

Some might reply that this entails only that the death penalty is contrary to the higher demands of Christian morality, not that it is contrary to natural law.  That would be bad enough, because (as I have shown elsewhere, such as in this article) the traditional teaching of the Church is that it is not contrary to Christian morality any more than it is contrary to natural law.

But to make matters worse, the declaration Dignitas Infinita, issued by the DDF during Francis’s pontificate, implies that capital punishment is contrary even to natural law.  For it asserts that “the death penalty… violates the inalienable dignity of every person, regardless of the circumstances,” and that this dignity is grounded in “human nature apart from all cultural change.”  The declaration also asserts that human dignity must be upheld “beyond every circumstance,” “in all circumstances,” “regardless of the circumstances,” and so on.  Here there is no wiggle room for saying that the document judges capital punishment to be contrary to human dignity only if certain conditions are not met.  For it flatly asserts that it violates human dignity “regardless of the circumstances.”  Nor is there any wiggle room for saying that the document nevertheless allows in principle for such a violation of human dignity under certain circumstances (which would be a bizarre idea in any case).  For it explicitly says that human dignity “prevails in and beyond every circumstance, state, or situation the person may ever encounter,” and so on.  The logical implication of all this is that capital punishment is absolutely ruled out as always and intrinsically wrong.  And that straightforwardly contradicts traditional teaching.

Sonna, at least, appears to acknowledge that the traditional teaching cannot be reversed.  So, if he is going to be consistent, he will have to admit that these statements issued during Francis’s pontificate are problematic – that they are poorly formulated at best, and erroneous at worst (which is possible in non-ex cathedra magisterial statements).

Parallel doctrinal reversals?

Fastiggi is another story.  At around 40 minutes in, he says: “But hasn’t the Church definitively taught that the death penalty is allowed?  No, it hasn’t.”  And earlier, at around 25 minutes in, he says that “even if the Church has not yet, maybe someday she’ll say it’s intrinsically immoral, but because it had been accepted for so long we don’t need to say that right now.”

But Fastiggi is simply mistaken.  When all the relevant evidence is taken account of, it is manifest that the doctrine that the death penalty is not intrinsically wrong has been taught by both scripture and the Church in an irreformable manner.  I set out some of this evidence in a long Catholic World Report article from some years back, and Joe Bessette and I do so in greater depth in our book.  Fastiggi says nothing even to acknowledge, much less answer, these arguments.  He merely begs the question against them.

Fastiggi also says that even if the Church does not hold that the death penalty is intrinsically wrong, it doesn’t follow that its teaching against it is merely a prudential judgment which Catholics need only respectfully consider but not necessarily follow.  For the Church has the authority to prohibit even certain practices that are not inherently wrong.  Fastiggi gives the example of cremation, which was for a long time prohibited by the Church but now is permitted under certain circumstances.  He also cites polygamy and divorce, which were tolerated under the old covenant but have been forbidden under the new covenant.

Fastiggi is right about that much, but these facts don’t suffice to show that the Church can do more than issue a non-binding prudential judgment against use of the death penalty.  The reason is that it is the state and not the Church which has the responsibility and right under natural law to do what is necessary to ensure the safety of the community.  This is why, after setting out the criteria for fighting a just war, the Catechism goes on to say that “the evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good” (2309).  In other words, the Church can teach that a war is just only when the cause is just, there is a serious chance of success, no other options are likely to work, and so on.  But the Church does not have the expertise or authority to determine how these criteria apply in a particular case.  For example, it does not have the relevant expertise to determine whether some option other than war would suffice to repel an aggressor in a particular case, or whether a certain military strategy is likely to succeed.  These are matters of prudential judgment, and it is the state rather than the Church that has the right and responsibility to make that judgment.

But the same applies, mutatis mutandis, to capital punishment.  The revision to the catechism claims, for example, that modern systems of imprisonment are sufficient to protect others against the most dangerous offenders.  But the Church has no more expertise on that sort of issue than it does on military strategy.  If government officials have good empirical reason to believe that the death penalty saves lives – for example, if they have evidence that it has a significant deterrent effect, or that it is needed to protect prison guards or other prisoners from the most violent offenders – then they have just as much a right under natural law to utilize capital punishment as they do to fight a just war. 

This sort of reasoning does not apply to cremation, which is why it is not an interesting parallel to the case of capital punishment.  The examples of polygamy and divorce also do nothing to help Fastiggi’s case, and not just because (unlike capital punishment) the state does not need to keep them open as options in order to do its job of protecting society.  There is also the following glaring disanalogy: The New Testament explicitly forbids divorce and clearly opposes polygamy too, as has the Church ever since.  But the New Testament explicitly allows capital punishment (e.g. in Romans 13), as has the Church ever since.  Cremation, polygamy, and divorce thus offer no precedent for an absolute prohibition on capital punishment.

Fastiggi and Sonna suggest other alleged doctrinal reversals that they think provide a precedent for a reversal on capital punishment.  But they are all bad analogies that provide no support whatsoever for such a reversal.  For example, Fastiggi points to the fact that theologians were once free to disagree about the Immaculate Conception, but later the Church made a dogmatic pronouncement on the matter so that such legitimate disagreement is no longer possible.

The problem with this purported analogy should be obvious.  To teach that capital punishment is intrinsically wrong would directly contradict what the Church had consistently taught for 2,000 years and what she had always understood scripture to teach.  Proclaiming the dogma of the Immaculate Conception involved nothing remotely like that.  In particular, it in no way involved the Church contradicting some doctrine she had previously taught.

Fastiggi alleges that there is also a parallel between capital punishment and the case of torture.  He contrasts a passing remark on the subject from Pope Innocent I, which left its use open, with the more recent teaching of the Church condemning torture.  Here too the alleged parallel is spurious.  The Church holds that scripture cannot teach moral error, and she has for two millennia acknowledged that scripture repeatedly sanctions capital punishment.  But there is no such scriptural sanction for torture.  The Church has also for two millennia herself consistently and clearly taught that capital punishment can under certain circumstances be licit, to the point of including this doctrine in major teaching documents such as the catechisms of Pope St. Pius V and Pope St. John Paul II.  The teaching was also endorsed by the Fathers (even those who opposed the use of capital punishment in practice), has been consistently affirmed by the Church’s greatest theologians (including many Doctors of the Church), and routinely endorsed in approved manuals of moral theology.  None of this can be said of torture. 

Fastiggi and Sonna also suggest that the development of the Church’s teaching on slavery provides a precedent for a change on capital punishment.  But this alleged parallel too is phony.  For one thing, here too Fastiggi and Sonna muddy the waters by ignoring long-established and crucial distinctions.  For the word “slavery” is ambiguous.  What most people think of when they hear this term is chattel slavery, which involves claiming ownership of another human being in the way one might own an animal or inanimate object.  The Church does indeed teach that this is intrinsically evil, but she has never taught otherwise.  Indeed, she has condemned this practice for centuries (as I document in my book All One in Christ: A Catholic Critique of Racism and Critical Race Theory).  

There are, however, less extreme forms of servitude that the Church has taken to be at least in theory not unjust.  In particular, there is penal servitude, which is forced labor in punishment for a crime.  The idea here is that if the state can, in punishment for a sufficiently grave crime, take away an offender’s liberty for a prolonged period of time (even for life), then it can also require him to work.  And there is indentured servitude, a prolonged period of labor without payment as a way to repay a debt or in exchange for some benefit.  The idea here is that if someone can legitimately enter a work contract, or have his wages garnished in order to pay a debt, then by extension he can make himself a servant in order to pay a debt.

The trouble with these practices is that in concrete circumstances they are fraught with moral hazard, and were often used to rationalize what amounted to chattel slavery (such as when captives taken in war were enslaved on the spurious grounds that they were guilty of the offense of fighting an unjust war, and thus could be forced into penal servitude).  Hence, moral theologians settled on the view (quite correctly, I would say) that when all relevant moral considerations are brought to bear, it is clear that they ought flatly to be banned altogether.

There is also the consideration that in scripture, slavery is merely tolerated as an institution that happened to exist, rather than put forward as a positive good.  By contrast, the death penalty is not merely tolerated, but in some cases is positively sanctioned (not only in the Mosaic law, but in other contexts such as Genesis 9 and Romans 13).

So, when all the distinctions are made, the argument that “the Church reversed herself on slavery, so she can reverse herself on capital punishment” falls apart.  There was no such reversal, and thus no precedent for a reversal on capital punishment.

Magisterial credibility

This brings us to Fastiggi’s remarks about Genesis 9 and Romans 13, where he repeats claims that I have already refuted in my previous exchange with him.  And once again, he simply ignores rather than answers the objections I raised there.  I direct the interested reader to that earlier essay of mine.  (In particular, see the sections titled “Genesis and the death penalty” and “The Mosaic Law versus the Gospel?”)

Fastiggi acknowledges that, in the instruction Donum Veritatis, the Church affirms that Catholics have the right respectfully to raise questions about deficient magisterial statements and ask for clarification.  He says that this nevertheless gives Catholics no right to “dissent” from the teaching of the Church.  I agree with him about all that.  But Fastiggi seems to think that it rules out the sort of respectful criticisms that I and others with the relevant expertise have raised.  It does not, and I have many times given arguments that show that it does not.  These arguments too are ones that Fastiggi simply ignores rather than tries to answer. 

For example, the criticisms I have raised with respect to the 2018 revision of the Catechism have nothing to do with “dissenting” from some teaching of the Church.  Rather, the whole point is that the teaching is unclear – that it is far from obvious exactly what it is that Catholics are being asked to assent to.  True, the revision declares that the death penalty is now “inadmissible.”  But the trouble is that the force of this teaching is not obvious.  I have argued that there are only two ways to read it.  On the one hand, it might be read as claiming that the death penalty is intrinsically wrong and thus “inadmissible” in an absolute and unqualified way.  The problem is that this would contradict scripture and tradition, and thus amount to a doctrinal error (something that can occur in non-ex cathedra statements). Moreover, even Fastiggi and Sonna acknowledge that this is not the right way to read it.

But when we take account of all the relevant considerations (both from within the document and from the larger tradition of the Church), the only other way to read it is as saying that the death penalty is “inadmissible” unless certain conditions hold (such as that resort to it is necessary in order to protect society).  And if this is the case, then the teaching amounts to a non-binding prudential judgment.  For the “unless” part is not something concerning which the Church has any special authority.  For example, whether capital punishment has a significant deterrence effect, and whether modern prison systems really do afford the means of protecting others from all violent offenders, are empirical matters of social science, not matters of faith or morals. 

For seven years now, Fastiggi and I have been arguing about this issue, and in all that time I have never gotten a clear answer from him about what a third possible interpretation would look like.  In any event, if someone asks me “Do you dissent from the teaching of the revision of the Catechism?” my answer is “No, I do not dissent from it.  I assent to it, and interpret it in the only way I know of that makes sense – namely, as a non-binding prudential judgment.”  I also say, however, that the revision is badly formulated and potentially misleading.  And I have every right respectfully to raise such a criticism, by the norms set out in Donum Veritatis.  Fastiggi and others may continue to yell “Dissent!” but yelling is all they would be doing.  I have yet to hear an actual argument showing that my position amounts to dissent.

I acknowledge that my criticism of Dignitas Infinita goes beyond this.  Here, I think we have a document that is not merely ambiguous, but very hard (at best) to defend from the charge of flatly contradicting scripture and tradition and thus being erroneous.  But if someone has a plausible way of reconciling it with scripture and tradition, I’m all ears. 

Even if it is indeed in error, however, this is possible in non-ex cathedra documents.  Indeed, Fastiggi himself is implicitly committed to this thesis.  For, again, he holds that the Church could end up teaching that capital punishment is intrinsically immoral.  And if that were correct, it would follow that for two millennia, the Church got things gravely wrong on matters of basic moral principle and biblical interpretation.  That is a very radical claim, and indeed far more radical than anything I have said.  If I am right, then one pope has gotten things wrong about capital punishment.  If Fastiggi is right, then every previous pope who has taught on this topic has been wrong, as have the Fathers and Doctors of the Church (and indeed scripture itself).  Fastiggi likes to paint views like mine as extreme, but in fact it is his views that are extreme. 

The fact that he presents them politely and under the guise of obedience to the magisterium doesn’t change that one whit.  It is the content of the views that matter, and the content is radically subversive of the credibility of the Church, because it implies that the Church may have been gravely in error about a matter of natural law, the demands of the Gospel, and the proper understanding of scripture for her entire history until now.  And if she could be that wrong for that long, what else might she be wrong about?

At about one hour and three minutes into the interview, Fastiggi says, with no sense of irony: “There has to be trust in the Holy Spirit’s guidance of the magisterium.  And that’s what I find missing in many of these papal critics.  They don’t trust the Holy Spirit.”  Yet Fastiggi is the one suggesting that the magisterium may have, for two millennia, consistently erred about a grave matter of natural law, Christian morality, and scriptural interpretation.  Fastiggi is the one suggesting that the Holy Spirit might have permitted this.  But what is more likely – that that is the case, or that a single pope (Francis) issued a badly formulated catechism revision and permitted the DDF to slip a doctrinal error into a declaration?  I submit that, if the Holy Spirit truly is guiding the magisterium, the scenario I posit is manifestly more plausible than the one Fastiggi is positing.

The reality is that the critics do trust in the Holy Spirit’s guidance of the magisterium.  They trust that the Holy Spirit would not have allowed the Church to be that wrong for that long about something that important, so that it must be those who now contradict the past magisterium who are mistaken.  This has always been theoretically possible, because the Church has always acknowledged that non-definitive exercises of the magisterium can fall into error.  Indeed this has in fact happened before in the case even of papal teaching, as the famous examples of popes Honorius I and John XXII illustrate.  And Fastiggi’s own position entails it.  If, as he insists, it may turn out that two millennia of past teaching of the magisterium on capital punishment was wrong, then it follows logically that it is also possible that it is instead Pope Francis’s statements on the subject that are wrong.  And as I have shown elsewhere (here and here), the Church has also always affirmed that there can be cases where the faithful may respectfully criticize the magisterium, even a pope, for teaching contrary to the tradition.

What Fastiggi never seems to appreciate is that his approach damages the credibility of the magisterium by appearing to saddle it with what, in logic, is known as a “No True Scotsman” fallacy.  Suppose I say “No true Scotsman would be an empiricist,” and you respond “But David Hume was an empiricist!”  And suppose I reply “Well, then David Hume must not really have been a true Scotsman,” and that I insist that everybody has for 250 years been misinterpreting all the evidence that seems obviously to show that he was an empiricist.  Needless to say, this would not lend me or my thesis any credibility at all, but would do precisely the opposite.  It would reveal me to be intellectually dishonest and unwilling to look at the evidence objectively.

Now, the First Vatican Council declared that “the Holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine.”  The Second Vatican Council stated that “the living teaching office of the Church… is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on.”  Pope Benedict XVI taught that the pope “must not proclaim his own ideas… he is bound to the great community of faith of all times, to the binding interpretations that have developed throughout the Church's pilgrimage.”

But the liceity in principle of the death penalty has for two millennia been consistently taught by the Church, and has for two millennia been understood by the Church to be the teaching of scripture, which is the word of God.  Hence, for a pope to teach that the death penalty is intrinsically immoral would manifestly be a case of attempting to “make known some new doctrine.”  It would manifestly be a case of putting himself “above the word of God” instead of “teaching only what has been handed on.”  It would manifestly be a case of attempting to “proclaim his own ideas” rather than being “bound to the great community of faith of all times.”

Fastiggi, however, takes the view that if a pope were to teach such a thing, then the conclusion we should draw is that the liceity in principle of capital punishment must after all not really ever have been the teaching of scripture; that it must not really be a “new doctrine” but somehow implicit in what scripture and the Church have always taught; that it must not really after all have been among “the binding interpretations” to which a pope must conform himself.  And that is like dogmatically insisting that Hume must not really have been a true Scotsman after all.  It gives aid and comfort to Protestant and skeptical critics of Catholicism, who argue that the Church’s claim to continuity with scripture and tradition is a sham – that at the end of the day, the popes will just teach whatever they like and then arbitrarily slap the label “traditional” on it.

It may be that Fastiggi is not sufficiently sensitive to this problem, whereas I have always emphasized it, in part because of the differences in our academic and intellectual contexts.  Fastiggi is a theologian teaching at a seminary, the primary job of which is the formation of priests.  And it seems that he writes pretty much exclusively for Catholic audiences.  I’m a philosopher teaching at a secular college, who often writes on matters of apologetics.  And my writing is directed as much to the general public as it is to fellow Catholics.  When Fastiggi sees Catholics criticizing even obviously deficient magisterial statements, even in a respectful and well-informed way, his instinctive reaction appears to be: “It’s unseemly for Catholics to be doing that, no matter what the pope says!  Just keep quiet, and trust providence to sort it out.”  When I see Catholics tying themselves in logical knots trying to defend obviously deficient magisterial statements, my instinctive reaction is: “Those are manifestly terrible arguments, you’re making Catholicism look ridiculous!  Just frankly admit that there’s a problem, and trust providence to sort it out.”  What Fastiggi and I agree about is that providence will sort it out, but we disagree about what form this might take and what role respectful criticism of deficient magisterial statements can play.

At the end of the day, though, such psychological speculations are not what matter.  What matters is what the evidence of scripture, tradition, and the entirety of the magisterial history of the Church (not just the last few years of it) have to say.  And as I have argued, that evidence tells decisively against Fastiggi’s position.

29 comments:

  1. It's remarkable how many people, even quite intelligent people, have difficulty recognizing the distinction between the idea that we should work to make society such that we don't need the death penalty, which should in any case be restricted to genuinely protecting the common good and done only with grave caution, rarely, etc., and the idea that the death penalty is morally wrong in and of itself, by its very nature. It's particularly pernicious here, because everyone who rejects the latter gets slapped with an undifferentiated 'pro-death-penalty' label, which is much as if you labeled anyone who believed it is not always wrong to kill someone trying to murder you with a 'pro-killing' label.

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    1. Hi Brandon,

      Yes, it's completely unnecessary and counterproductive for anti-capital punishment Catholics constantly to resort to the most extreme characterizations of their opponents and of the death penalty itself. The Fathers who urged the state not to exercise its right to execute managed to avoid doing that. So why can't modern opponents? It reinforces the suspicion that for many of them, the death penalty issue is a stalking horse for other doctrinal changes -- that they want to push for the most extreme sort of change on this issue precisely because they know that would open the door to others.

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    2. I fear that underneath the bulk of opposition to the DP is an intense this-worldly view, a secular mind-set that this life is the only life to consider; on that mind-set, it is "impossible" for a human being to lose his right to life, because that's "ALL HE HAS" as the basis for other rights: denying his right to life is tantamount to denying his very personhood. But a Christian view rejects this completely: his immortal soul is a far better ground for his dignity and rights, yet at the same time it expressly allows that death is NOT an "ultimate" indignity to his person, as God can even use his death for good - both for his OWN good and for that of others.

      I believe that most (probably nearly all) of the Church's individuals who are totally opposed to DP and who are not deeply steeped in the Church's history and biblical understanding, are operating in a kind of sympathetic conformity with the mainstream secular humanists whose educated elite have articulated a pseudo-moral-high ground for the anti-DP position. In effect, they are practicing secular humanists even while they believe they are solid Christians. The ones who bother to read snippets of recent Church doctrinal documents - but not earlier ones to achieve perspective - falsely believe that the recent documents constitute explicit affirmation of that pseudo-moral-high ground as articulated by secular humanists, not noticing that even where there is overlap between the Church's expressed conclusions and those of the secularists, it is on a different basis (at least, when it is articulated and not merely hand-waved as if axiomatic and manifest to all).

      In practice: we should completely discount the apparent majority view of those "in" the Church on this, as "they know not what they do". I that I were able to say that this majority excludes the bulk of the bishopric.

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    3. It's one example of several of how Catholic minds and sensibilities have been corrupted by thoroughly marinating in the essentially liberal and modernist assumptions that pervade our institutions.

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  2. Hey Prof

    This is such a comprehensive article! It's really good!

    On the point of torture, I would actually suggest an article by Dr David Decossimo where he goes into depth as to what separates torture from mere killing. I don't know if you have come across it but I think it would be quite useful to you an article you could cite.

    Overall, I think that, if you could add anything to this article, it's probably the fact that the principle of proportionality is concerned with the degree to which the perpetrators will has deviated from the good that it ought to pursue.

    This could probably forestall arguments that try to attack the death penalty from the like to like standpoint i.e we wouldn't torture a torturer etc.

    I suppose one key point that often is neglected in this debate but deserves attention is the mode of capital punishment. I think you addressed this once briefly in your article Augustine on Capital Punishment. Interested readers can check it out. It's a great article.

    I think it would strengthen the case for the death penalty by pointing out why certain methods of punishment we find too gruesome for our times.

    For example to show that a punishment like rectal feeding is intrinsically evil is quite difficult. But I think Fr Brian Harrison in article has a good general argument against it where he mentions that torture could attract sexual perverts. I think it can also facilitate tendencies like a lust for violence and domination over other people (This similar to what Augustine thought about gladiator fights)

    One could expand on it by pointing out that in our times such things could easily go viral on video camera due to the widespread prevalence of such technology and the general tendency to record things for the sake of views , guards themselves could do it or could be bribed to do and the overall effect on society would be to lend legitimacy a kind of legitimacy to such disordered desires.

    Couldn't a similar argument be made against the death penalty? I would say it can be made against certain methods but not all.

    For example , to apply a classical natural law analysis, the rectum is responsible for expelling waste from the body, waste which ought not to be discharged anywhere but in its proper place as it is disease prone, foul smelling etc. By nature this is one of those act which requires that the person have control over that faculty such as to avoid stinking up a place. That is why it's one of the first activities that is introduced to us as kids and that old people feel embarassed to ask for assistance as they lose motor control.

    Any action rectal feeding or anything else involving the rectum, exercises a kind of control or degree of power over an individual that is extremely unusual, and this would legitimise such kind of lust for control. I mentioned how things go viral.

    In contrast something like choking (hanging) or lethal injection represents a degree of control that is mundane, it could of course be something that triggers people's lust for violence but at the same time something like a choke hold is a routine part of formal martial arts and self defence or subduing a criminal, it can be classified as something that a person ought to know precisely for the purposes of self defence.It's something that already is very common in society and thus death by hanging or lethal injection wouldn't "by itself" involve facilitating the promotion of disordered tendencies. It's an act that is already mainstream Someone with a disordered attraction to it could just as easily come across it in other places. In contrast , the vitalization of a punishment like rectal feeding is what would make a fringe act mainstream and thus ought to be prohibited.

    Anyways I hope that this slightly long comment could be of use to you Prof. Thanks for all your work. I am grateful.

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    1. Thanks, Norm. The question of which methods are appropriate is a good one and more needs to be said about it. Suan raises the point at the end of the interview that there is something wrong with people taking a celebratory tone toward execution, and I agree with him about that. I also think it should not be drawn out or gruesome and that it should be solemn, with an emphasis on urging the offender to repent and to offer his punishment up as a penance, praying for him, and so forth. I'll write on this in more depth at some point.

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    2. Would gladly look forward to it Prof. You have from time to time briefly addressed it, Your article and Rehabilitation was also an article I found to be quite interesting where I think you were responding to Brugger. Obviously your more recent article on corporal punishment is relevant.

      Yes repentance is important. And obviously not taking a celebratory tone. And emphasizing prison ministry of priests etc.

      Do you think my analysis above based on degree of control exerted and societal implications it could entail is a good way of drawing some distinctions between actions to rule out certain kinds of punishments as I did above?

      If it's not too much trouble.

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    3. I would not object to a state declaring a state-wide day of prayer and penitence on a day of execution, to counteract any sense of celebration of the killing.

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  3. “Do you dissent from the teaching of the revision of the Catechism?” my answer is “No, I do not dissent from it. I assent to it, and interpret it in the only way I know of that makes sense – namely, as a non-binding prudential judgment.” I also say, however, that the revision is badly formulated and potentially misleading.

    The problem here is that the 'potentially' is really misleading. The revision is actually 'misleading' -- except that it was almost certainly intended to be 'misleading,' so calling it misleading in fact looks to be disingenuous trading on ambiguity. If you do not assent to the natural reading, if you admit that it is badly formulated and misleading, then it seems you are withholding assent, which is indeed a form of dissent. Qualified dissent, but still real dissent. And good for you! You should dissent from false teachings of false teachers.

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    1. Well, "dissent" is ambiguous. On the everyday usage of the word, any disagreement counts as a kind of dissent. But the word has a narrower, technical meaning in Catholic contexts that has to do with refusing to assent to some teaching that the Church puts forward as binding on Catholics (which includes infallible teachings but other things too). But Donum Veritatis explicitly says that respectfully raising questions about deficient magisterial statements does not count as "dissent" in this sense.

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    2. It seems obvious that it is not possible to either assent or dissent unqualifiedly from an inherently unclear teaching. You can say, "I assent because the pope taught it, but I'm not really sure what he is teaching," but that's not 'real' assent, and not worth much (I dare say) in the eyes of God or man. Mutatis mutandis for dissent.
      That said, I wonder if you (can/should) really assent to JPII's teaching that the death penalty is to be 'absolutely' avoided except in case of 'absolute necessity' (i.e., prudentially considered!), because it is inherently "more in line with human dignity" to use bloodless means of punishment, regardless of the crime being punished. Is that position too not contrary to the teaching of scripture (esp. Rom 13:4) and the sound Catholic theological tradition?? Is JPII not implying that Paul is wrong to say that the state is God's minister to execute vengeance on evildoers, when he wants to limit the role of the state to protecting the innocent?
      And so also, I agree we shouldn't crassly 'celebrate' when an evildoer is executed; but we should take a sober satisfaction in the upholding of justice and rightly ordered obedience to the divine will. And we should lament the deeds of those who have used their magisterial office to obscure and subvert the divinely established moral order.

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    3. I believe it is not inconsistent with Donum Veritatits to argue that JPII made an editorial mistake in putting his prudential judgment into a Catechism. It's not the place. Fine for putting it into the encyclical (such as Evangelium Vitae), but a Catechism is for timeless truths that are well settled not only as doctrine but also as phrasing. Similarly, he changed the phrasing for how to apply the "safety" basis for DP 3 times in 5 years: the 1992 Catechism, EV, and the 1997 Catechism all employ different phrasing having importantly different senses. His own thought on the issue was changing, and he shouldn't have saddled a Catechism with that process.

      More significantly is his use of the following:

      Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

      The problem is more apparent if you separate it into 2 propositions instead of 1:
      A: The traditional teaching of the Church allows recourse to the death penalty.
      B: Traditional teaching of the Church allows recourse to the death penalty if and only if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

      (In other articles, Professor Fastiggi argued for this inserted sense using "only if" as the proper interpretation of the Latin, and I admit his claim is plausible, though I cannot find the Latin text to review it.)

      Set aside the theological issue for the moment: both A and B make historical claims. The historical accuracy of A is unquestionable. The historical accuracy of B is not. Indeed, it is hard to justify it AT ALL in history, much less establish it as reliable and certain. The best that can be said of B (if this is indeed the best reading of the text) is that it is a backwards reading of JPII's theological thesis (for the "only if" part) into a less-than-perfectly-definitive prior Church analysis of why and when DP is allowable. One could not even propose that JPII's theological thesis (ignoring its historical preface) was the preferred or leading contender for the state of the question. If it was articulated at all (and I have had trouble finding that, but maybe that's me), it was a minority opinion at best, and more likely it was a highly dubious minority opinion, as it opposes a wealth of better-articulated positions that speak to the common good as a whole.

      I am not a theologian, and I am not as confident of this as I would like, but I don't think JPII's phrasing can be taken as putting a magisterial approval on the HISTORICAL aspect of the claim, i.e. "the magisterium hereby approves the aforesaid minority and dubious thesis and hereby MAKES it the historically affirmed position". I think the historicity stands or falls on the evidence, not on magisterial shielding. And it's not defensible historically.

      If I am right about that, then the passage should be interpreted in the following way: A is true, and the thesis in B (about "only if") is hereby proposed to be the only basis on which A is true. The "traditional teaching" claim ONLY applies to A.

      This would leave us free to DEBATE the "only if" part of B on its own terms, i.e. allow us to hash it out fair and square without deference to a presumption it is true because it was the traditional teaching.

      I think some people would like to claim that B is really to be understood as saying merely that "IF DP is ever allowed, it is only ever allowed for safety of persons", (a conditional claim) and then add in Francis to be saying "but in fact, even safety of persons cannot EVER justify DP." I think this would represent creeping distortion of "traditional teaching," one mistake piled on top of another.

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    4. I concur with David that careful thinkers should be cautious on accepting the proposition that DP is necessarily "less in line with human dignity". I think that once you get that punishment itself is "more in line with human dignity" as it affirms the moral value - and responsibility - of the criminal, you can't easily get DP somehow departs from that model. The proportionality aspect that is built into moral worth (and grounds rewards as well as punishments) leads inexorably to DP as fitting to certain crimes and criminals, and that JUST IS "more in keeping" with the dignity of rational beings with moral freedom. One might argue that "well, yes, the criminal deserves death, but it is not fitting for civil society be the instrument of that death, it belongs to God. But this runs square up against Genesis 9:6 where God assigns it explicitly to humans, and the passage as a whole seems to be explaining natural law, (referring to man's nature in the beginning).

      I think the requirement to lean against using DP except when "necessary" should be related to the whole good which the civil government ought to promote: there are common goods (justice, and virtue), public goods (a general sense of safety), and personal goods (freedom from this prisoner's future depredations, AND this prisoner's own future physical life) in the balance: a presumption that the last item trumps ALL OTHER considerations so completely as to make them irrelevant has...virtually nothing to recommend it philosophically.

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    5. As I've long argued, the dignity rhetoric is vague and unnecessary at best and at worst a Trojan horse for ideas that can't be reconciled with natural law and tradition. It should never have become so central. My point in the article is that even if one grants it, JP2 did not actually use it in a way that has the implications that Fastiggi (and others, such as Brugger) think it has.

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  4. Re the “practical” rationale that modern prison systems are sufficient to prevent/deter further criminal acts by the murderer…. This should not to be easily conceded. Powerful gangster/organized criminals continue issuing orders, including death warrants, from their prisons.

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    1. Yes indeed. That is one of several ways in which the suggestion that modern prisons suffice to protect people just isn't true. Joe Bessette and I discuss this in our book, and in the eight years since it appeared, I think not a single critic has responded to that point (if memory serves). Just crickets. It shows how unserious most of them are.

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    2. I'm not an opponent of the death penalty (not in principle, at least). I'm not a Catholic or a believer in natural law either, so I'm not sure whether any comment I make on this article, which is directly about the Catholic perspective, would be relevant. But I think the problems of prison violence and recidivism are indeed some of the strongest arguments for maintaining the death penalty. However, aren't there places (such as some European countries) that don't have the death penalty and have very low rates of prison violence and recidivism (much lower than, say, the U.S.)? Mind you, I'm not sure how much of that is really because of factors such as better prison conditions versus how much other factors that governments may not be able to do much about, such as population size or culture, are causing it. I think it's something that's worth discussing in this debate, as I have seen it brought up elsewhere.

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  5. This was wonderful Ed. Very clearly written!

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  6. Ed: “I acknowledge that my criticism of 'Dignitas Infinita' goes beyond this. Here, I think we have a document that is not merely ambiguous, but very hard (at best) to defend from the charge of flatly contradicting scripture and tradition and thus being erroneous. But if someone has a plausible way of reconciling it with scripture and tradition, I’m all ears.”

    A couple of points about the relevant sentence in 'Dignitas Infinita' 34 that make an interpretation consistent with the previous magisterium more defensible:

    First, repeating the text itself: ‘Here, one should also mention the death penalty, for this also violates the inalienable dignity of every person, regardless of the circumstances.’

    The official text, as printed in 'Acta Apostolicae Sedis' (An. et vol. CXVI, N. 5, 3 May 2024, p. 608), is the Italian:

    ‘Bisognerà pure qui menzionare il tema della pena di morte: anche quest’ultima, infatti, viola la dignità inalienabile di ogni persona umana al di là di ogni circostanza.’

    1. The English version is accurate enough – except that it adds a comma after ‘person’, which is not in the original Italian after ‘persona umana’ (and the English also leaves out ‘human’ as a translation of ‘umana’, which is not relevant here).

    In a natural reading, adding the comma increases the plausibility of the interpretation that the phrase ‘regardless of the circumstances’ relates directly to the verb ‘violates’. This makes the sentence more amenable to the interpretation that the death penalty is being indicated as intrinsically evil, since it would violate human dignity regardless of circumstances.

    However, omitting the comma (which is the accurate thing to do) increases the plausibility of the interpretation that the phrase ‘regardless of the circumstances’ relates directly either to ‘inalienable dignity’ or ‘every person’ - acting in either case as a redoubling of the affirmation of inalienability.

    The meaning would be, on this interpretation: every person regardless of circumstances has this dignity intrinsically, and the death penalty violates that. (Thus it is neither affirmed nor denied that the death penalty violates this inalienable dignity intrinsically, regardless of circumstances: the weaker interpretation is left open that 'for practical purposes, in our world’s current social circumstances', it virtually always violates dignity.)

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  7. 2. The sentence has a footnote reference (56) to the revised paragraph of the Catechism (n. 2267), and to the CDF’s 'Letter to Bishops Regarding the New Revision of Number 2267 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church on the Death Penalty' nn. 7-8.

    If there is ambiguity (as there is, especially with the comma omitted), we need to interpret the sentence in view of the footnote. And the footnote indicates that the CDF understands and intends its sentence in 'Dignitas Infinita' to be reiterating, or at least significantly supported by, the texts referred to.

    As Ed has said, the revised Catechism paragraph is itself at least open to an interpretation consistent with the previous magisterium.

    Also, the 'Letter to Bishops' explicitly affirms that the doctrine of the Catechism is ‘in continuity with the preceding Magisterium’ (7) and ‘is not in contradiction with the prior teachings of the Magisterium’ (8).

    Granting for the sake of argument that this absence of contradiction cannot be created by mere fiat if there does appear to be a fairly evident contradiction, the text of the 'Letter' does at least establish that Pope Francis and the CDF did not intend to be interpreted as contradicting the past magisterium. So if there is a plausible interpretation of the relevant texts that harmonizes with this claim of non-contradiction, then that is the interpretation we must take.

    Finally, the 'Letter to Bishops' (7) makes it the dignity of the person ‘that is not lost’ regardless of circumstances, ‘even after having committed the most serious crimes’ - so the fact that 'Dignitas Infinita' makes reference to this passage, reaffirms the interpretation of 'Dignitas Infinita' that it intends ‘regardless of circumstances’ to relate directly to ‘the inalienable dignity of every person’, not to the verb ‘violates’.

    In short: if the revised Catechism is open to (or indeed, requires) an interpretation consistent with the previous magisterium, then likewise for 'Dignitas Infinita'.

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  8. The issue runs deeper than simply the application of the death penalty. Abolitionists argue for a schizophrenic juridical system, in essence utilitarian, in which the application of justice is a tertiary end, if it is an end at all. This, if carried to its logical conclusion would collapse the justice system itself. It undermines the entire logic behind it, which always must be primarily justice.

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  9. You argue, with characteristic precision, that the Magisterium’s recent language on the death penalty represents not a development but a departure, a contradiction of two millennia of consistent teaching. You frame this as a matter of doctrinal fidelity, a defence of what the Church has always taught against innovations that threaten her credibility. Yet what appears to you as reversal may in fact be a transformation in the metaphysical horizon within which the same truth is now perceived. The Church’s moral imagination has not abandoned its foundations; it has deepened them.
    For centuries, Christian reflection unfolded within a linear conception of time: birth, earthly existence, death, and an “afterlife” extending along that same continuum. Within that view, death marked the transition from the temporal to the eternal, and to kill, even justly, was simply to move that moment forward. The logos of the person, their eternal vocation, remained intact; only the timing changed. Thus, capital punishment could be accepted as legitimate, since it seemed only to adjust the chronology, not the essence, of a human life.
    But as the Church’s metaphysical imagination has matured, drawing especially on St Maximus the Confessor’s vision of creation as an ascent into the Logos, a different understanding has emerged. This maturation, evident throughout twentieth-century ressourcement theology, marks what Henri de Lubac called “the recovery of the mystery of participation,” by which “the supernatural is no longer conceived as a second story built upon nature, but as the interior transformation of all being by grace” (Surnaturel, 1946, p. 470). Creation is no longer understood as a neutral stage upon which God occasionally acts, but as a dynamic movement already being drawn into Him.
    Pope Benedict XVI articulated this shift with striking clarity: “eternity is not an unending succession of days in the calendar, but something more like the supreme moment of satisfaction, in which totality embraces us and we embrace totality” (Spe Salvi §12). Likewise, he taught that “time itself becomes a dimension of God’s self-communication” (Eschatology: Death and Eternal Life, 1988, p. 115). The temporal, therefore, is not a flat line leading to eternity, but a field already irradiated by it. Death, in this light, is not merely a step along a horizontal continuum; it is the terminus of the earthly form of life that can be transposed vertically into the eternal.

    (cont.)

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    1. Every moment of earthly existence thus possesses ontological weight: it is not simply one instant among others, but a participation in the eternal form toward which it is destined. As Hans Urs von Balthasar writes, “Each finite moment bears within itself the whole drama of the eternal decision” (Theo-Drama V, 1998, p. 83). Nicolas Loudovikos, interpreting Maximus for our age, calls this the “verticalisation of temporality,” the transformation of linear time into “a Eucharistic ascent of all being into its eschatological fulfilment in the Logos” (Analogical Identities, 2019, p. 214). From this horizon, to end a life prematurely, even under the pretext of justice, is not merely to alter its duration but to deform the total offering of that life as it is being drawn into God.
      Seen thus, the Church’s renewed opposition to the death penalty is not a denial of her past but a deepening of it. You are right that the Church cannot contradict herself, but she can grow in her apprehension of what her truths entail. Killing in self-defence or in a just war remains morally licit because it preserves the possibility of life and order. Yet when the state executes one who no longer poses a direct threat, it no longer acts as guardian of life but as agent of its interruption. The metaphysical horizon has shifted from time measured along a line to time gathered up into eternity.
      This same understanding clarifies why euthanasia and abortion are wrong, not only because they violate a commandment, but because they disfigure the logos of a human life meant to be offered to God in its fullness. The final days or years of a suffering person are not meaningless intervals before heaven; they are part of the temporal pattern that God intends to gather into eternity. Likewise, to destroy an unborn or newly baptized child is not to hasten its beatitude, but to sever the form of life by which God intended to glorify Himself through that person’s unfolding.
      If you read the Church’s language on dignity through this metaphysical lens, you may see that her deepening resistance to the death penalty arises from the same seamless vision that grounds her opposition to euthanasia and abortion. What is at stake in each case is the eternal significance of temporal being. As Joseph Ratzinger observed, eternity is not endless duration but “the interpenetration of time by divine presence.”
      To trust the Magisterium, then, is not to imagine that it arbitrarily changes course, but to believe that the Spirit continues to draw the Church into the fullness of truth. What you regard as a change of judgment may in fact be the unveiling of the same truth within a transfigured horizon: that every life, in every moment of its earthly duration, is already a participation in the eternal, and that to preserve that life is to cooperate in the world’s ascent into God.

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    2. I welcome the idea that the popes (and others) want to push a development of doctrine on this (and other) issues. I object to the idea that it is "development" to simply throw out a new idea not obviously in line with the past teaching and claim "you get from here to there by development". No: development is to provide the pathway by which you get from here to there.

      And I decline to follow along with re-imagining life meaning to what you suggest representing that pathway that tells us the DP is inherently improper, from the past teaching.

      “a Eucharistic ascent of all being into its eschatological fulfillment in the Logos” (Analogical Identities, 2019, p. 214). From this horizon, to end a life prematurely, even under the pretext of justice, is not merely to alter its duration but to deform the total offering of that life as it is being drawn into God.

      It doesn't do the job: God can (and, apparently, WILL) accomplish that "Eucharistic fulfillment of all being" regardless of whether we end it a bit earlier or not. Or, take a baby who dies because some tired pharmacist filled out a prescription wrong: why isn't it the case that baby's life being ended prematurely "deform the total offering of that life as it is being drawn into God"? Or a 4 year old who dies in an accident? No: God's infinite power can take even a criminal's well-deserved death and make it conform to His Plan just fine, and our actions will not defeat that Plan. And justice tells us that the death of the murderer at his execution is NOT "premature" at all, but exactly the time that God Himself allotted, "by which God intended to glorify Himself through that person’s unfolding."

      There appears to be a fundamental disconnect between what you imagine to be the eschatological fulfillment and the meaning of acts in this life: in order for acts in this life to "have meaning", they have to have some effect as to the ultimate form of the fulfillment as to its particulars in us at that final denouement. If God WILL accomplish his end - the same end regardless of whether we kill this murderer or not - then his death doesn't "mean anything" (and neither does his life). But at the same time, if that ultimate end doesn't reflect our acts of justice differently than if we were instead to act unjustly, then that again shows our actions - and our lives in their particularities - are meaningless.

      God will take our acts of justice and perhaps magnify them incomprehensibly in His glorious culmination. But He cannot at one and the same time do that with our acts of justice, AND say that some acts of justice are unjust because they changed how He "was going to" unfold that person's life if we hadn't done those acts of justice. The explanation doesn't explain, and the "development" doesn't develop. All we're offered is "Now we understand better and ...(energetic hand-waving..."inadmissible".

      And it's inconsistent to say that

      Killing in self-defence or in a just war remains morally licit because it preserves the possibility of life and order. Yet when the state executes one who no longer poses a direct threat, it no longer acts as guardian of life but as agent of its interruption.

      and also to say that the Church (in Francis's new 2267) has said DP is wrong in all cases. He has RULED OUT the DP where needed to defend from that criminal's future attacks, it's "inadmissible" as a violation of dignity.

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  10. Pope Leo opposes the application of the death penalty and so did the three popes who preceded him. Were they all wrong? I will accept their judgment over that of the moderator of this blog.

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  11. Very, very interesting discussion right here!

    One thing that the guys who tell us that the death penalty is "unjust," unreflective (or even deliberately) do is eschew the victim from the picture and keep the full focus on the perpetrator (I'm not saying the gentleman in the video did that, I'm just saying that people who held this position are very often soft-hearted towards the criminal). But, I will not focus exclusively on this theological matter -- even though I think it is a moral defect and a grave sin to be merciful towards the criminal and cruelly disregard the victim.

    The point I want to focus on is that the so-called "penalists" or "humanist penalists" often overlook (again, either irreflectively or deliberately). To be sure, the death penalty IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT a matter of mere crime prevention, "instrumentalizing the man," or "negative prevention by fear," as they usually say -- these are just secondary effects. The truth is that the death penalty is to serve justice, firstly towards the victim and their family or even the society at large -- and, sometimes, it's the only way to serve justice, given the gravity of the crime.

    It doesn't take one far to see how unjust it is to keep a convicted murderer alive. Take Brazil as an example. A man associated with criminal factions or crime syndicates goes on to murder the family of the whistleblower who, courageously, denounced the criminal schemes. The murderer will be jailed, sustained by taxpayers' money, and will not even serve two decades in jail (since here in Brazil, you can't serve more than 30 years in prison, and, most of the time, these sentences are not fully dutied because the criminal is "entitled" to a progression of regime that he could serve in probation, out of the jail).

    The little example I gave above, which is unfortunately part of reality, leaves us with the following question: what kind of 'justice' do we get in the mind of society, the victim's family, and even in the mind of the perpetrator himself, if a murderer could simply "walk" and live on his life after committing one of the gravest sins of all time? By permitting even the minimal injustice of leaving a murderer alive, the criminal system only raises the feeling of injustice and civil unrest, and, undeniably, the victim, who is the most crucial part of the criminal picture, remains unserved by justice.

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  12. I think the history of the Church’s doctrinal treatment of DP, from Innocent I’s statement of the issue in 405 until 2018, has been clear and incontrovertibly in favor of DP being morally licit under the natural law. The history before that may be more ambiguous. Here is, I think, a fair and balanced description:

    1. The apostles accepted DP: (a) They concretely indicated approval, (St. Paul, in Romans 13:1-4; (b) they clearly called it forth (St. Peter in Acts 5:1-10), (c) they recorded explicit affirmation of it (Luke 23:41 (the Good Thief) ), and (d) otherwise simply allowed its existence without opposition or demurral (the Gospels as a whole). Everything they wrote that touches on the use of the DP at least implicitly accepts it, and nothing they wrote disapproves of it as a general matter.

    2. After the apostles, for much of the next 250 years (before Constantine), the early Fathers were mixed: of the ones who spoke on it (not all by any means), most of them clearly disapproved of its practice in some references. Some of them seemed to give as reasons a position that sounds general in its disapproval, and yet in other references they seemed to accept it, thus they muddled their own opposition. Origen and Tertullian, two of the most promient early teachers, expostulated against it (and opponents of DP often pull out quotes from these two), but in other places they admitted its liceity. Of the ones that wrote against DP and there appears to be no passages from them that also accepted it, generally their disapproval of it is ambiguous, in that it is less than clear whether their opposition was against it in principle and for all cases, or in practice given the mores of the times and its particulars.

    3. In the 4th century, after Constantine, most of the Fathers that spoke on it clearly supported its liceity in principle even if they broadly opposed its regular and easy practice, and often urged against using it.

    Under the principles of development of doctrine, the explicit determination of Innocent I in 405 interprets this past ambiguity of the record, in favor of the LICEITY of the DP under both the natural law and under the Gospels, and pushed the Church to model the sometime opposition of earlier Fathers into an antipathy based on practices and particulars, not based on a per se violation of proper dignity. The next 1590 years (to JPII’s Catechism) represent an unbroken affirmation of Innocent’s determinative conclusion and further refinement of the thinking behind which the moral liceity of DP is understood not to be a per se violation of the proper dignity of a criminal lawfully found to be guilty of grave crime.

    Moral, philosophical, and theological necessity dictates that development of doctrine ONLY GOES IN ONE DIRECTION. Even if the record of the early Fathers appears at times to allow a conclusion that maybe the DP is per se immoral, the clear determination of Innocent on the issue and the development of doctrine that actually occurred over 1660 years after Constantine does not permit us to allow that “appears at times” to represent any foundation for NOW arguing that DP is illicit. The Church has spoken on that ambiguity and settled it. You can’t keep using it in later times, when the development process laid it to rest – that’s what the one-way direction implies. There had been NO ambiguity on the issue for 1590 years, including on how to read the ambiguity of the earlier years.

    Consequently, while it was true for a period that the record was ambiguous, after the Church addressed that ambiguity, even that period is no longer ambiguous, and it is more correct to say that there is a 2000-year record wherein the Church firmly teaches the liceity of the DP.

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  13. Great post --- for what it is worth, Dr. Feser, as a lay Catholic who has spent very considerable time investigating the faith intellectually, and who has had significant doubts in the past due in part to weak teachers unskilled in apologetics, I think that the sort of attitude had by Fastiggi probably not infrequently contributes to doubts about Catholicism among intellectually-inclined, honest Catholics and non-Catholic seekers alike: Fastiggi is, I take it, a reputable theologian at a Catholic college, but he went on air and pulled what looked (to me) like sophistry: he strawmanned death-penalty advocates as dissenters who like revenge, does not answer Suan's questions plainly (it felt like he really wanted to say the death penalty is intrinsically immoral, and maybe is, but he didn't exactly say it --- felt kinda moat-and-bailey), and adopted what frankly felt like a somewhat manipulative attitude/tone ('you trust the Holy Spirit, don't you? then stop 'dissenting' '). This sort of thing leads at least some --- who knows how many? --- to question the honesty of the Church's intellectual institutions, including people like myself who want to trust them. I don't know if I'm being too harsh on Fastiggi, but people who represent Catholic intellectual life in public should hold themselves to higher standards and avoid cheap debate tactics. [N.B. I consider myself pretty non-partisan regarding the death penalty debate --- I accept whatever the Church teaches, and don't have an agenda beyond consistency with magisterial tradition and natural law.]

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  14. It seems to me that some people who defend Francis's revision and argue against the DP, e.g. Fasttiggi, may be motivated by a fear that the Pope will declare "ex cathedra" that the DP is intrinsically wrong. Thus, in defending the possibility that the DP is intrinsically wrong, they are in some sense laying the groundwork for a defense of the Church should she make such a declaration.

    I am curious Professor Feser, how you would respond to that worry? I imagine you think it is unlikely (maybe even impossible). But if it did happen, would this mean we should be sedevecantists? How should a Catholic respond?

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