Wednesday, July 30, 2025

Suffering for the truth (Updated)

As many readers will have heard by now, last week Detroit’s new archbishop Edward Weisenburger suddenly fired three well-known professors at Sacred Heart Major Seminary: theologians Ralph Martin and Eduardo Echeverria and canon lawyer Edward Peters.  No official explanation has been given.  Martin has said that he was told only and vaguely that it had to do with “concerns about [his] theological perspectives.”  Echeverria has declined comment because of a non-disclosure agreement.  Peters says that he has “retained counsel.”

I have been commenting on the matter at Twitter/X and, because of its importance, thought it appropriate to do so here as well.  One thing all three of these professors are known for is their longstanding defense of the Magisterium and traditional teaching of the Church.  They have in recent years also respectfully criticized Pope Francis, because of words and actions of the pope that generated controversy due to their apparent conflict with the Church’s traditional teaching (on matters such as Holy Communion for those in adulterous unions, the death penalty, non-Christian religions, and blessings for homosexual couples).

In doing so, they were perfectly within their rights as theologians and as Catholics.  As I have documented elsewhere, the Church has always acknowledged that there can be cases where it is legitimate for the faithful with the relevant theological expertise respectfully to raise criticisms of problematic magisterial statements, even publicly.  The Church addressed the matter in some detail during the pontificate of St. John Paul II, in the instruction Donum Veritatis.  Martin, Echeverria, and Peters all have the relevant expertise and have presented their objections with respect to the person and office of the pope.  They have no history as “rad trad” firebrands or the like but are men of proven learning and sobriety.  A reasonable person might disagree with them, but could not accuse them of violating the theological and canonical norms governing theological discussion in the Church.

All the same, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that they were fired because of their theological views.  Again, Martin, at least, was explicitly told that his firing had to do with that.  And that theological animus was the motive is made even more plausible by the fact that one of the first things Archbishop Weisenburger did upon taking office was to crack down on traditional Latin Mass communities in the archdiocese.  The archbishop has not explained how his harsh dealings with Catholics of more traditional opinions can be reconciled with what he has said elsewhere about how the faithful should treat one another:

Pope Francis is calling us to be a truly listening church... It is perhaps helpful also to note what synodality is not.  It is not a political process in which there are winners and losers.  We must not think of synodality as a power game whereby those with differing theological visions of the church and its mission contend for control and dominance… Dialogue and communication are essential for bishops to exercise their servant-leadership role on behalf of God’s people.

Nor, despite his admiration for Pope Francis, has the archbishop explained how his actions can be squared with what DDF prefect Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernández tells us was the late pope’s desire “instead of persecutions and condemnations, to create spaces for dialogue” and to avoid “all forms of authoritarianism that seek to impose an ideological register.”

Other admirers of Pope Francis well-known for their endless chatter about dialogue, inclusion, and mercy have reacted with merciless glee at the peremptory exclusion of Martin, Echeverria, and Peters – and in some cases thrown in gratuitous smears to boot.  Austen Ivereigh matter-of-factly characterizes them as “notoriously... intemperate.”  It is difficult to judge this to be anything but a brazen lie, which Ivereigh perhaps thinks he can get away with because few of his readers are likely to know much about the three professors.  But whether or not he knows it to be false, the reality is precisely the opposite of what he says.  Echeverria long defended Pope Francis before only reluctantly and cautiously changing his mind, Peters is well-known for lawyerly nuance, and Martin is about as mild-mannered as can be imagined.

Mike Lewis accuses the three professors of “heresy.”  This is a preposterous calumny.  As the Catechism defines it, “heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same” (2089).  Never have any of the three professors expressed any denial or doubt about any such doctrine.  Michael Sean Winters is especially shameless in his bad faith, applauding the firing of Martin, Echeverria, and Peters while in the same breath defending Fr. Charles Curran’s notorious dissent from the Church’s teaching on sexual morality.

It should be recalled that last week’s firings are not the first time prominent and loyal Catholic academics lost their positions because they criticized Pope Francis for failing to uphold traditional teaching.  For example, in 2017, after criticizing the pope for sowing doctrinal confusion, Fr. Thomas Weinandy was removed from his position as consultant to the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Doctrine.  After signing a letter that accused Pope Francis of heresy in 2019, philosopher John Rist was banned from all pontifical universities, and theologian Fr. Aidan Nichols has had difficulty finding a stable academic position.

It is important to emphasize that, like the three professors fired last week, these are not mere media influencers, “rad trad” hotheads, or otherwise marginal figures.  They are eminent academics long known for their deep learning, scholarly rigor and nuance, and fidelity to the teaching and Magisterium of the Church.  Nor were they critical of Francis from the start, but only after his problematic statements and actions accumulated.  One can disagree with some of the things they have said (for example, I think Rist and Nichols went too far, as I said at the time), while acknowledging that their arguments are serious, presented in good faith, and worthy of respectful engagement.

And it should be noted too that these men are only a handful from among a much larger body of eminent scholars known for their longtime loyalty to the Church and its Magisterium who were deeply troubled by aspects of Pope Francis’s pontificate – Germain Grisez, John Finnis, Josef Seifert, Msgr. Nicola Bux, Cardinal Raymond Burke, Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Cardinal George Pell, and on and on and on.  Even if we confined ourselves just to academics and other Catholic thinkers and churchmen who have been publicly respectfully critical of Pope Francis, the list would be very long.  If we added those who have opted for various reasons to keep their concerns private, it would be extremely long.

The reason is not that these people, long known for their deep loyalty to the Church and to other recent popes, somehow magically all became heretics or dissenters under Francis.  The reason is that Pope Francis was simply unlike any previous pope in history in the number of his theologically problematic statements and actions.  None of the previous popes notorious for such words and actions – not Liberius, not Honorius, not John XXII – comes close.  It is impossible for a theologically well-informed and intellectually honest person not to see the problem, and the gravity of the problem.

Yet for the most part, Pope Francis’s defenders have not seriously engaged with these thinkers’ arguments, and none of Francis’s defenders is remotely as notable for theological expertise and sobriety as the most eminent of the pope’s critics.  Instead, for the most part Martin, Echeverria, and Peters, like Weinandy, Nichols, and Rist before them, have been subject to vulgar abuse and dismissiveness from their moral and intellectual inferiors – adding insult to the grave injury of having their livelihoods unjustly taken from them.

Again, Donum Veritatis taught that it is possible for there to be cases in which Catholics with the relevant theological expertise can legitimately raise criticisms of defective statements from the Church’s magisterial authorities.  Indeed, the instruction even acknowledges that “such a situation can certainly prove a difficult trial.  It can be a call to suffer for the truth, in silence and prayer, but with the certainty, that if the truth really is at stake, it will ultimately prevail.”

The scholars who have lost their positions for criticizing Pope Francis’s errors are now indeed suffering for the truth.  But the truth will ultimately prevail, as it did in the cases of Liberius, Honorius, and John XXII.  We do not know how long this will take.  In the case of John XXII, it happened very quickly; in the case of Honorius, it took decades.  But we can have good hope that Pope Leo XIV, who seems to be a kind and generous man who appreciates theological learning and wants to unify the Church, will approach these controversies in a less divisive and draconian manner than did his predecessor.

UPDATE 8/2: The Pillar reports that Sacred Heart Major Seminary’s policy for terminating faculty requires “due process,” “specifying the grounds for dismissal,” and other conditions.  If these and the other details about the case that have been reported are accurate, it would seem that the firings violated the seminary's own policy.

29 comments:

  1. For those who think Leo is going to come in to save the day, they need to think again. Every indication is that Leo is Francis 2.0 in terms of ideology, doctrine, discipline, and just about every substantial action of Leo's so far indicates this. Leo was likely aware of the firing: the seminary offers ecclesiastical degrees, which means they are under the Holy See's authority (Dicastery for Education). The hiring and promotion of faculty requires their permission (nihil obstat), though firing does not necessarily require such, but can if individual statutes do so. Especially as this is involved firing three long time professors at once, this was run by Rome in all probability; and also because it's in America, Leo was likely informed.

    Even otherwise, Weisenberger would probably not do such a drastic move unless he knew rome had his back. The same goes for his actions toward the “TLM.” Further, it makes no sense unless Leo is a continuation of Francis- if the problem was criticism of Francis, but Francis is gone, and Leo supposedly is different and will amend things…But if the objects of criticism are going to remain- Amoris L., F. Supplicans, etc., and the aim is to eliminate american voices of criticism in particular- it makes perfect sense.

    Let's also remember it was Leo, as Prevost and Prefect of the Dic. for Bishops, who selected Weisenberger, knowing his track record. Let's also remember that since Weisenberger took his actions on the TLM and people hoped Leo/Rome would come in to reverse things, there've been crickets.

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    1. You are correct, Anon., about Pope Leo. And the US Supreme Court has ruled that religious institutions have great latitude in dismissing employees because of their religious teachings.

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    2. "Every indication is that Leo is Francis 2.0 in terms of ideology, doctrine, discipline, and just about every substantial action of Leo's so far indicates this." - well, at the very least he didn't give numerous interviews with ambiguous answers so far. Thus even if he really is "Francis v. 2.0", at least this version seems to "fix" some "bugs" that were reported previously.

      More seriously, I don't think we know enough to make such conclusions.

      "Even otherwise, Weisenberger would probably not do such a drastic move unless he knew rome had his back." - or, maybe, on the contrary, he wants to do things before the new Pope does something to prevent this.

      "Especially as this is involved firing three long time professors at once, this was run by Rome in all probability; and also because it's in America, Leo was likely informed." - is there a reason to think that Leo XIV even knows who those professors are? As far, as I have heard, America is reputed to be a pretty big country. It might even be so big, that two randomly chosen Americans would have a serious chance of not knowing each other.

      "Further, it makes no sense unless Leo is a continuation of Francis- if the problem was criticism of Francis, but Francis is gone, and Leo supposedly is different and will amend things…" - or, maybe, the "problem" is criticising one's superiors, with the fact that a bishop would also be their superior. Or maybe the bishop thinks Leo XIV will be "Francis v. 2.0", but is wrong about it. Or maybe... Well, you get the idea...

      "Let's also remember it was Leo, as Prevost and Prefect of the Dic. for Bishops, who selected Weisenberger, knowing his track record." - are you sure "we" know the precise process by which a specific bishop was selected, whose opinion had what influence?

      I think that, at least for now, we just do not know enough to rule many of alternative possibilities out.

      So, let's avoid panicking. I'm sure there will be enough time to do that later, should that prove truly necessary.

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    3. I'm not remotely sold on the idea that Pope Leo had any idea what was going on in Detroit. Even given they hand out some pontifical degrees, the pope very literally has people for that. And he'd have to have some very strong micromanaging tendencies to intervene on the presumably minimal information he would have had.

      That is assuming any of this was known in Rome at all, which I have doubts about. The gossip is that this was out of left field for many even at the seminary. Why would people in Rome (let alone the pope himself) be aware of or preoccupied with this.

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    4. Let's also remember it was Leo, as Prevost and Prefect of the Dic. for Bishops, who selected Weisenberger, knowing his track record.

      That's your strongest argument, Anon. And it's true. However, it is also the case that the entire process of picking bishops is badly, foully awry, and has been for many decades if not a full century. It has been fully in the hands of the (religiously) left wing of the Church for most of that time, and got into the extreme left wing of the left side for all of Francis's reign and probably 15 years before that (or we wouldn't have gotten the German bishops we got). Indeed, every bishop in the world was made bishop under this system - so nearly every bishop in the world is LIKELY to overlook its horrible flaws. Prevost, whatever his strengths, has given no overt indicators that he sees the nature of the problem in the system, and so he was probably in the position of effectively just rubber stamping the same KINDS of priests that the system has proposed for the last 70 years: even if he angled the choices away from the rabid left, he most likely wouldn't have changed any basic directions nor eliminated what the system suggests are middle-of-the-roaders...which are certainly far left of the actual middle of the road (or Francis probably wouldn't have picked him at all). And even so, some of the worse ones will slip through anyway.

      But this doesn't at all imply that he would actually approve of Weisenburger's specific decisions: he might think they were stupid. But even if he did, that wouldn't mean he would step in to fix it, either.

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  2. Papists getting papped by the new papa.

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  3. https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2025/07/31/archbishop-edward-weisenburger-detroit-archdiocese-catholic-church-sacred-heart-seminary-professors/85408993007/

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  4. Conservative Catholics loved monarchical popes and bully bishops and ideologically-motivated purges of the Church's institutions until the liberals got their hands on the reigns. Now the liberals are using their own methods against them and the conservatives cry foul. Tough luck, Hos. 8:7, Matt. 26:52, etc.

    Also, what's with all the self-congratulatory crowing about Pope Francis's critics being the intellectual and moral superiors of his supporters? If that article attacking hopeful universalism is really the best Martin can do after decades as a professional theologian, then the intellectual standards of conservative Catholicism are pretty low. Look, I know the way theology works. No conservative is ever going to grant that any liberal is ever a theological genius (or vice versa), but take a role call of the greatest Catholic theologians of the 20th century, and see just how many of them are really "conservative" or "orthodox" by American standards. Would a seminary under the authority of a conservative bishop really hire Henri de Lubac, or Hans Urs von Balthasar, or Edith Stein, or Étienne Gilson, or... you know, any big theological name from the past hundred years or so? I'm skeptical. Get off the high horse. It's not gonna get you anywhere.

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    1. Might be worth doing a word search on the words "conservative" and "liberal" in this post and comment thread and reflecting on who, exactly, is measuring theology by "American standards."

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    2. No one denies that Bishops have this authority. The point is to exercise it rightly.

      I don't know what any of those Catholic theologians have said that would be in conflict with a broadly American conservative worldview.

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    3. Oh Good Lord.

      First, enough with the myths about “conservative Catholics” being ultramontanists. Not all of them were, and we’ve seen what happens to the “principled opposition” of the Catholic Left when they get in power.

      Granted the intellectual caliber of defenses of Francis (much as I love Bishop Barron, “eloquent ambiguity” was the nadir of his theological career), it’s not difficult to say that there are many superior theologians out there.

      Why you should think that casting aspersions on Ralph Martin for critiquing hopeful universalism is remotely effective or meaningful is unclear.

      Ironic also that you should claim that “conservative” bishops wouldn’t hire Stein, or de Lubac, et al, when these thinkers are quite literally poster children for most conservative Catholics.

      If you tell people to get off high horses, you should have first learned to ride.

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    4. Would you also laugh at physicists who end up ruled by makers of perpetual motion machines? Or geographers who end up ruled by flatearthers? Or botanists who end up under Academician Trofim Lysenko?

      For that's the point: truth and falsehood are not equals, and it is a great injustice to treat them as if they were.

      Also, "unilateral disarmament" does not seem to work all that well. For example, during 1920s the German Social Democrats, Zentrum etc. did not throw Nazis to the concentration camps without a trial. Did that do them much good after Nazis got into power?

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    5. Ironic also that you should claim that “conservative” bishops wouldn’t hire Stein, or de Lubac, et al, when these thinkers are quite literally poster children for most conservative Catholics.

      Err, um, de Lubac was conservative in the sense that there ended up being many people far left of him. Like there are many people far left of Joe Biden. de Lubac might not have been liberal in a comprehensive sense (though liberal on some matters), but his approach to Scripture and tradition gave cover, aid and comfort to the liberals and heretics who followed after him.

      On the other hand, if the tiny Thurible had been more forthright and included people like Hans Kung, Charles Curran, and Edward Schillebeeckx, in his "great" list, it would have been more obvious that his list just meant "the people who got the loudest headlines and made the most trouble."

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    6. If that article attacking hopeful universalism is really the best Martin can do after decades as a professional theologian,

      Whoever said it was "the best he could do"? It was a reply to a long review of his book - it's probable that the book is better, for one thing. But so what? If material like what's in the reply is the reason he got fired, the bishop is doubly in the wrong, i.e. wrong both about the character of Martin himself, and about what he's saying. It's just an itty-bitty scholarly dispute in dry, dusty journals that nobody but scholarly types would read, of the sort that ultimately affects nobody (unless, contrary to liberal realism, ideas have consequences). Or unless the silly bishop makes a big deal of it, which would be nutty.

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    7. maybe we just think we're superior because we actually know the difference between "reigns" and "reins"?

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  5. but take a role call of the greatest Catholic theologians of the 20th century, and see just how many of them are really "conservative" or "orthodox" by American standards. Would a seminary under the authority of a conservative bishop really hire Henri de Lubac, ...or... you know, any big theological name from the past hundred years or so?

    You mean, aside from Pius X, Garrigou-Lagrange, Pius XI, Maritain, Pius XII, Most, etc?

    We know that your question is skewed: the liberals have had a strangle-hold on the universities for a 130 years, and on the seminaries for 90. OF COURSE most of the people who have been touted, cited, feted, toasted, etc are liberals - that's who fit with the institutions doing the touting to toasting. So of course they are more celebrated, more noticed. But for rigor of thought, Garrigou-Lagrance is untouched by the likes of Gilson or de Lubac. They certainly don't deserve to be more noticed.

    I'll give you 2 names that beat all the rest of your list all hollow: JPII and Benedict XVI. Yes, JPII was not quite "conservative" on social issues, but neither was he liberal, and on doctrinal issues he was completely conservative and the despair of libs. Ratzinger (JPII's Rottweiler) didn't start out conservative, but later he was: his more mature thought was conservative. You can look at the published works of the Congregation for Doctrine during the late 80s and 90s and see conservative Catholic orthodoxy through and through.

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  6. An amusing tweet:
    https://x.com/DrKwasniewski/status/1950970498663281021?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1950970498663281021%7Ctwgr%5Eb37c4c4085555f02ad9e5cac593a90183746de8a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwdtprs.com%2F2025%2F07%2Fif-newman-were-on-faculty-at-sacred-heart-seminary-in-detroit-hed-be-fired%2F

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  7. Conservative Catholics loved monarchical popes and bully bishops and ideologically-motivated purges of the Church's institutions until the liberals got their hands on the reigns. Now the liberals are using their own methods against them and the conservatives cry foul. Tough luck,

    You are correct, Anon., about Pope Leo. And the US Supreme Court has ruled that religious institutions have great latitude in dismissing employees because of their religious teachings.

    It's true that the bishop does - and SHOULD - have a great deal of power over the ultimate selection and retention of teachers in the seminary. And it's true that under US law, the Supreme Court has held that churches have wide powers over hiring and firing for religious reasons.

    But neither of those implies that the bishop can just fire anyone he wants, whenever he wants. If the seminary as an institution entered into a contract with the teachers, it has to honor that contract even if it (or its new head) no longer likes their religious views. Religious institutions have the right to enter into contracts, and THEN those contracts bind them. If they didn't want to be bound, then they shouldn't sign the contract.

    In addition, while Church law provides limited rights to theologian teachers in Catholic institutions beyond those of all Catholics, that doesn't mean NO rights. And in relation to institutions like seminaries and universities, they might have acquired rights in virtue of their original appointments. In general, a bishop who intervenes in a long-standing teaching position should have a good and sure reason. A failure to have such a reason, AND a failure to make known such reason when asked, might arise to actionable complaints that the teacher might have against him in Church law. While US law would be extremely wary of wading into the theological reasons a bishop had for firing someone, that doesn't mean Church courts would avoid that.

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  8. The "Rad Trad" take on all this,
    MP has got a good handle on this situation.
    The only reason people are putting such hope in Leo is that they don't know him well enough yet.
    Synodality is stage IV cancer and he will continue his great predecessor's mission to deliver it, but in a nicer package.
    He denied his own primacy to the Orthodox the other day, and he has denied capitol punishment before and after his enthronement.
    Soon his coverups of abusers will get greater exposure.
    The modernist are out to destroy the middle ground because they know they have but a short time.
    In a way, it is good for the Church that they go after traditional leaning Catholics because it shows,
    1. That they are modernists of bad will in positions of power.
    2. It shows those who would compromise the the Faith or it's practice that they are not safe.
    3. It shows those who are willing to take a stand and cling to God and Tradition that there can be no compromise and that they should fight harder.

    BUT,...WOE to those by whom scandal cometh.

    The modernist only respect those who stand up to them, or are prepared to walk away; like the Orthodox, like those who love the Latin Mass, wokesters, pagans, pedo,s,.

    When that other Bishop in the Carolina's tried to take away the Latin Mass, the people stood up and he had to hold back from further purges.

    Grillo is still trying to get the Mass and the real, traditional Faith, it represents completely suppressed. If you read what he says, but imagine he was talking about modernism and the Novus Ordo instead of Tradition, he would sound like Saint Thomas.

    We're coming up on the 100th anniversary of Our Lady's request to consecrate Russia (correctly). The Russians are already on the move.

    Reject these modernist wolves in sheep's clothing and their synodality.
    Find a traditional priest who teaches the Faith as Saint Thomas taught it and fly to Our Lady.

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  9. Oh, man, what sad news.

    I think that every man who lost their job or something they were once passionate to do can feel the same painful and sour sting in the chest as these men must be feeling now. I feel bad for them, especially Ralph (who is a very active and needed voice on these matters).

    Now, the bullies - if we can even call these guys catholics at all - who pulled the rug on these men must be stopped. It goes without saying that the bad shape of the Holy Church today is, in large part, due to these persecutors and ideologically minded people who infiltrated the Church and try to push away real Catholics from the intellectual circle.

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  10. St. John Damascene was harshly critical of the iconoclast Byzantine emperor, but was safe because he worked for the caliph of Baghdad. I guess our host can be grateful that he works for Pasadena City College and not St. John Seminary.

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  11. I am much more in the "camp" of Dr. Feser and Ralph Martin than that of Mike Lewis. But looking at the Lewis blog post to which Dr. Feser links, I must admit I do find this passage compelling, and it's exactly what stopped me from publicly criticizing Pope Francis in his lifetime, and perhaps even "Popesplaining" somewhat:

    "Martin, Echeverria and Peters have openly violated the doctrine taught in the Vatican II document Lumen Gentium (no. 25), the Catechism (no. 892), Canon Law (can. 752), and the Professio Fidei (third paragraph), which teaches that religious submission of intellect and will must be granted to the pope's ordinary magisterial teachings on faith and morals, even when he is not teaching definitively, according to his manifest mind and will. This leaves no room for devising creative interpretations that are more palatable — something that all three have done."

    This seems hard to surmount, to me. All public dissent from a reigning Pontiff diminishes the capital of obedience and docility and stores up trouble for the future. The only thing that would counter this argument, it seems to me, would be to argue that Vatican II is not authoritative, but that brings problems of its own. We end up chasing infallibility in ever-decreasing circles.

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    1. Maolsheachlann,

      Faithful critique isn’t dissent.

      Martin, Echeverria, and Peters weren’t undermining papal teaching. They were defending the faith by clarifying ambiguity and resisting breaks with tradition.

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    2. I don't think this is hard to surmount at all. Two points:

      1) "Religious submission of mind and will" is a technical term. It involves taking a certain kind of receptivity of submissiveness to be taught by the Magisterium, but does not entail that one accepts everything that is taught by the Magisterium. See the explanation in Donum Veritatis: https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19900524_theologian-vocation_en.html

      2) Religious submission of mind and will is owed to the ordinary Magisterium in general. But the ordinary Magisterium does not include just what one pope says on one occasion. In many of the cases at issue, there are statements that are equally part of the ordinary magisterium (from other popes, from the same pope at different times, or from the body of bishops at large) that are at tension with at least the prima facie interpretation of the problematic statements. One has to take these into account also when deciding what one owes religious submission to.

      The issue would be transparent if we were talking about any other bishop. If the influential bishop of X said some things that were easily (and widely) interpreted in a heterodox way, on an issue where the other bishops were largely speaking, certainly had spoken, with one voice in a non-heterodox way, a theologian who felt the need to warn people about the dangers of the heterodox reading would not be viewed as being disobedient to the Magisterium. It is true that the bishop of Rome has a special weight, but that makes the situation only different in degree, not kind. If you were a theologian the days of Honorius, I don't think it would have been wrong for you to raise concerns about Honorius's use of expressions that are most naturally interpreted as Monothelite. You certainly weren't required to drop the true Christology in the face of the whole of apostolic tradition just because of the prima facie reading of some things said by one pope.

      -lmh

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    3. Funny you should say that.
      The Vatican II fathers did in fact deny it was infallible.
      The popes since the council have been leaning on that kind of rational about their authority, likely for that very reason of course. (Notice how every almost every pope since the council has been canonized as well. Quite a streak they have going.)
      That means these three guys were perhaps leaving the door open for a way back to the other 20 councils that were infallible and the unquestionably infallible acts of the preceding popes.
      In other words back to Tradition.
      Can't have that now, can we?

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    4. "religious submission of intellect and will must be granted to the pope's ordinary magisterial teachings on faith and morals,"

      The submision of intellect and will is due to the corpus of the ordinary magisterial teachings of ALL Popes, NOT just to the teachings of the current Pope.

      The problem is when there is an inconsistency in said corpus, i.e. two positions on a specific issue. In this case one must submit to the position with the greater weight.

      The point is how to evaluate said weight.

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  12. Pascendi Dominici gregis

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  13. About the important update on 8/2 that Ed made:

    The due process is a tool that prevents arbitrary terminations (or firing, in an informal way to say), so that the person suffering the sanction can present their formal defense. When it comes to some universities, public services (like the ones which the public servant must be admitted to and approved through a tender), and even some institutions (like the one in the case at hand) that are covered by specific statutes, the correct and legal way to dismiss or terminate a contract, employee and so on is through an administrative process -- which takes time and a lot of steps.

    The administrative process may vary from one statute to another, but still, one of the crucial points remains: most of them require the presence of at least three staff members, which we may informally refer to as the "judges" of the administrative action or sanction (important to note that these "judges" cannot have any relation of antipathy or simpathy regarding the person being judged, because even the small ammount of animosity, through internet, personal circles and so on can be contested by the one being judged, if the defense attorney or counsel play the cards right). Only if 2 of these "judges" vote favorably for the application of such a sanction (as a termination) that the late become efficacious. So, in any case, the fellas that suffered from this repugnant and discriminatory ad hoc termination CAN AND SHOULD pursue legal action, if the statute explicitly requires due process (whatever the details) for terminations and the like.

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