The body of the Episcopate was unfaithful to its commission, while the body of the laity was faithful to its baptism… at one time the pope, at other times a patriarchal, metropolitan, or other great see, at other times general councils, said what they should not have said, or did what obscured and compromised revealed truth; while, on the other hand, it was the Christian people, who, under Providence, were the ecclesiastical strength of Athanasius, Hilary, Eusebius of Vercellae, and other great solitary confessors, who would have failed without them.
As Newman
emphasized, this is perfectly consistent with the claim that the pope and
bishops “might, in spite of this error, be infallible in their ex cathedra decisions.” The problem is not that they made ex cathedra pronouncements and somehow
erred anyway. The problem is that there
was an extended period during which, in their non-ex cathedra (and thus non-infallible) statements and actions, they
persistently failed to do their duty. In
particular, Newman says:
There was a temporary suspense of the
functions of the ‘Ecclesia docens’ [teaching Church]. The body of Bishops
failed in their confession of the faith.
They spoke variously, one against another; there was nothing, after
Nicaea, of firm, unvarying, consistent testimony, for nearly sixty years.
Newman goes
on to make it clear that he is not saying
that pope and bishops lost the power to teach, and in a way that was protected
from error when exercised in an ex
cathedra fashion. Rather, while they
retained that power, they simply did not use it.
In recent
years, some have borrowed Newman’s language and suggested that with the
pontificate of Pope Francis, we are once again in a period during which the
exercise of the Magisterium or teaching authority of the Church has temporarily
been suspended. Now, this “suspended
Magisterium” thesis is not correct as a completely general description of
Francis’s pontificate. For there clearly
are cases where he has exercised his magisterial authority – such as when,
acting under papal authorization, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the
Faith under its current prefect Cardinal Ladaria has
issued various teaching documents.
To be sure,
there may nevertheless be particular cases
where the “suspended Magisterium” characterization is plausible. Consider the heated controversy that followed
upon Amoris Laetitia, and in
particular the dubia issued by four
cardinals asking the pope to reaffirm several points of irreformable doctrine
that Amoris seems to conflict
with. As Fr. John Hunwicke has
noted, because Pope Francis has persistently refused to answer these
dubia, he can plausibly be said at
least to that extent to have
suspended the exercise of his Magisterium.
Again, this does not mean that he has lost his teaching authority. The point is rather that, insofar as he has
refused to answer these five specific questions put to him, he has not, at
least with respect to those particular questions, actually exercised that
authority. As Fr. Hunwicke notes, he
could do so at any time, so that his teaching authority remains.
Again,
though, it doesn’t follow that the “suspended Magisterium” thesis is correct as
a general description of Pope Francis’s pontificate up to now. However, recently there has been a new
development which, it seems to me, could make the thesis more plausible as a
characterization of the remainder of Francis’s pontificate. The pope has announced that Cardinal Ladaria
will soon be replaced by Archbishop Víctor Manuel Fernandez as Prefect of what
is now called the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF).
Fernandez is
a controversial figure, in part because he
is widely thought to have ghostwritten Amoris.
What is relevant to the present point,
however, is what Pope Francis and the archbishop himself have said about the
nature of his role as Prefect of DDF. In
a
publicly-released letter to Fernandez describing his intentions, the
pope writes:
I entrust to you a task that I
consider very valuable. Its central
purpose is to guard the teaching that flows from the faith in order to “to give
reasons for our hope, but not as an enemy who critiques and condemns.”
The Dicastery over which you will
preside in other times came to use immoral methods. Those were times when, rather than promoting
theological knowledge, possible doctrinal errors were pursued. What I expect from you is certainly something
very different…
You know that the Church “grow[s] in
her interpretation of the revealed word and in her understanding of truth”
without this implying the imposition of a single way of expressing it. For “Differing currents of thought in
philosophy, theology, and pastoral practice, if open to being reconciled by the
Spirit in respect and love, can enable the Church to grow.” This harmonious growth will preserve
Christian doctrine more effectively than any control mechanism…
“The message has to concentrate on
the essentials, on what is most beautiful, most grand, most appealing and at
the same time most necessary.” You are
well aware that there is a harmonious order among the truths of our message,
and the greatest danger occurs when secondary issues end up overshadowing the
central ones.
There are
several points to be noted here. First,
the pope makes it clear that he wants the DDF under Archbishop Fernandez to
operate in a “very different” way than it has in the past. Second, he indicates that part of what this
entails is that the DDF should focus on “essentials” and “central” issues
rather than “secondary issues.” Pope
Francis doesn’t spell out precisely what this means, but the context indicates
that he regards many of the issues the CDF has dealt with in the past to be
“secondary.” Third, when the DDF does
address an issue, it should not do so as a “control mechanism” that “pursue[s]…
possible doctrinal errors” or “impos[es]… a single way of expressing” the
Faith. Fourth, it should speak “not as
an enemy who critiques and condemns.”
In a
recent interview, Archbishop Fernandez has commented on his own
understanding of his role as head of DDF, and his remarks echo and expand upon
the pope’s. Fernandez says:
So you can imagine that being named
in this place is a painful experience. This
dicastery that I am going to lead was the Holy Office, the Inquisition, which
even investigated me…
There were great theologians at the
time of the Second Vatican Council who were persecuted by this institution…
[The pope] told me: ‘Don't worry, I
will send you a letter explaining that I want to give a different meaning to
this dicastery, that is, to promote thought and theological reflection in
dialogue with the world and science, that is, instead of persecutions and
condemnations, to create spaces for dialogue.’…
The
archbishop went on to say that he wants the DDF to avoid:
All forms of authoritarianism that
seek to impose an ideological register; forms of populism that are also
authoritarian; and unitary thinking. It
is obvious that the history of the Inquisition is shameful because it is harsh,
and that it is profoundly contrary to the Gospel and to Christian teaching
itself. That is why it is so appalling…
But current phenomena must be judged
with the criteria of today, and today everywhere there are still forms of
authoritarianism and the imposition of a single way of thinking.
Here too
there are several points to be noted.
First, like the pope, the archbishop indicates that he wants the DDF to
move away from the sort of activity that occupied it in the past, but he is a
bit more specific than the pope was. He
cites, as examples, investigations of theologians at around the time of Vatican
II, and the investigation the CDF made of his own views (which, as the
interview goes on to make clear, had to do with some things he’d written on the
topic of homosexuality). So, he doesn’t
have long-ago history in mind, but the recent
activity of the CDF. Furthermore, he
criticizes even this sort of
investigation (and not merely the harsh methods associated with the
Inquisition) as a kind of “persecution.”
Second, the
archbishop says that what the pope wants is for the DDF not only to avoid such “persecutions”
of individuals, but also to refrain from “condemnations” of their views. In place of such persecutions and
condemnations, he wants “dialogue.” Third,
he takes this to entail that the DDF will refrain from “the imposition of a
single way of thinking.”
Taking all
of Pope Francis’s and Archbishop Fernandez’s comments into account yields the
following. The DDF, which has heretofore
been the main magisterial organ of the Church:
(a) will in
future focus on central and essential doctrinal matters and pay less attention
to secondary ones;
(b) where it
does address some such matter, will not approach it by way of ferreting out doctrinal
errors or imposing a single view;
(c) will
emphasize dialogue with individual thinkers rather than the investigation,
critique, and condemnation of their views;
(d) should in
all these respects be understood as playing a role very different from the one
played by the CDF in recent decades.
In short,
this main magisterial organ of the Church will
largely no longer be exercising its magisterial function. It will issue statements about central themes
of the Faith, but it will no longer pay as much attention to secondary
doctrinal matters, will no longer pursue the identification and condemnation of
errors, will no longer investigate wayward theologians or warn about their
works, and will in general promote dialogue rather than impose a single
view. Hence it will no longer do the
sort of job it did under popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, let alone the job
that Newman says the bishops failed to do during the Arian crisis. And notice that, followed out consistently,
this means that the teaching of Pope Francis himself (let alone the deposit of
Faith it is his job to safeguard) is not something the DDF is in the business
of imposing. It too would simply amount
to a further set of ideas to dialogue about.
The implications
of these recent remarks are, accordingly, quite dramatic. And while it is possible that the remarks
will be clarified and qualified after Archbishop Fernandez takes office, the
trend of Francis’s pontificate is precisely one of avoiding the clarification
and qualification of theologically problematic statements. But whereas, in the past, this avoidance
pertained to a handful of specific issues, it now seems as if it is being
raised to the level of general DDF policy.
If so, let us hope that this “temporary suspense of the functions of the ‘Ecclesia docens’” does not last sixty years, as the previous one did. St. John Henry Newman, ora pro nobis.
The archbishop admits he did not "act in the best way" in a 2019 sex abuse case that he investigated.
ReplyDeleteA careful and measured analysis. That's fine but I rather prefer Fr Hunwicke's more abruptly pointed take (dated 3 July 2023):
ReplyDelete"I doubt if it is possible to overestimate the disaster inherent in the appointment of PF's long-time crony Tucho Fernandez to the ministry once discharged, with such distinction, by Joseph Ratzinger. PF's crudely critical words about how this dicastery had operated in its Ratzingerian past, speak for themselves.
"Together with the demolition of Summorum Pontificum, this appointment signifies not only the rubbishing of the entire two-and-a-half-decades collaborazione of S John Paul II and Joseph Ratzinger; it indicates the definitive ending of the Petrine Ministry, as a service to the Church, as we have known it.
"Instead of providing a check against error, the now-called DDF is to be ... PF has made this clear ... an engine of on-going theological and moral corruption within the Church. If the last decade has seemed like a chilly winter for Catholics, well, we aint seen nuffin yet."
Interesting to think that both sides might turn to St. John Henry Newman to explain their position. One side pointing to what you laid out here, and the other side pointing to “doctrinal development”. Thank you for the article Ed.
ReplyDeleteAmen! Pray, also, that God's faithful people will continue to remain committed to right faith, certain hope, and perfecting love.
ReplyDeleteThis seems really unfortunate. I just hope that magisterial authority of the Church is not suspended in that way.
ReplyDeleteIs there no way perhaps for more orthodox thinking to influence this ministry. Perhaps collecting together a group of senior bishops, orthodox theologians and actually trying to convince the Pope in person on the implications of his decision.
Most of the prominent orthodox figures seem to have atleast a virtual network.
I guess it's a far fetched cry but it seems plausible.
We read PF's letter and Msgr. Tucho's statements and see a "suspension of the magisterium".
ReplyDeleteBut in their own understanding they are indeed exercising the magisterium in a (not so) new way, as Pope Pius X explains in Pascendi 23:
[In the modernist view] " In past times it was a common error that authority came to the Church from without, that is to say directly from God; and it was then rightly held to be autocratic. But this conception had now grown obsolete. For in the same way as the Church is a vital emanation of the collectivity of consciences, so too authority emanates vitally from the Church itself. Authority therefore, like the Church, has its origin in the religious conscience, and, that being so, is subject to it. Should it disown this dependence it becomes a tyranny. For we are living in an age when the sense of liberty has reached its fullest development, and when the public conscience has in the civil order introduced popular government. Now there are not two consciences in man, any more than there are two lives. It is for the ecclesiastical authority, therefore, to shape itself to democratic forms, unless it wishes to provoke and foment an intestine conflict in the consciences of mankind. The penalty of refusal is disaster. For it is madness to think that the sentiment of liberty, as it is now spread abroad, can surrender. Were it forcibly confined and held in bonds, terrible would be its outburst, sweeping away at once both Church and religion. Such is the situation for the Modernists, and their one great anxiety is, in consequence, to find a way of conciliation between the authority of the Church and the liberty of believers".
Prayers cannot change history; if Pope Francis' awful appointments and modernist tendencies are a "suspension" of Magisterium, the suspension has been in force for sixty years already.
ReplyDeleteFortunately, Saint John Newman was not infallible, and had several mistaken views apart from this one. Let's not join the Prots, and the Gallicanists like Kwasnewsky, and judge Pope Liberius as they do. Pope Liberius never lost the faith. If he had ever been forced to sign dubious documents (I bet he never affirmed of his own free will that God uses other religions as a means of salvation, as John Paul II did, a dubious statement indeed), it was nothing more than what St. Peter did. No Pope has ever lost the faith.
Making papal of foibles a technical situation of "suspension" justifying Gallican conciliarism, or "lay" intervention, (are we going back to Vigano's attempted impeachment of 2017 again?) is the last thing the Church needs. Like Luther's, this remedy is much worse than the problem at hand. Remember that the Arian crisis was so grave and lasted so long thanks to the Church's laymen, starting with the first of them, the emperor. Lions of the faith, like Liberius and Bishop Hosius of Cordoba, responsible for Nicaea, were tormented for upholding the faith, and legions of other Church leaders intimidated; all the work of laymen. I'm organising a bonfire. In 2023, we urgently need to burn the Gallican liberties again.
What we need to do is pray and work for a Pope like St. Peter, Boniface VIII, St Gregory, St. Pius V, St. Pius X. Let the Luthers of 2023 busy themselves praying and working for that old human solution, a new Church constitution.
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DeleteNot sure whether this was the place to start a debate on the merits of the Catholic religion itself. Being well-informed, you will know that we believe that non-Catholics can indeed be saved in their religions, but not by them. Basic stuff this. The proportions of those, intra or extra, who make it, is a mystery which will not be pierced in temporal life. The sure thing is that those who know the truth need to live within the true religion, visibly.
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DeleteThen you've got it made. All you need now is to be invincibly ignorant (as your views are not Catholicism).
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DeleteThe point of view expressed by St. John Henry Newman reflects both common sense and knowledge of the Church's history. First, I would like to thank Prof. Feser for presenting these significant teachings that intelligently interpret the situation we loyal and faithful Catholics are currently experiencing in our souls and minds.
ReplyDeleteIt is evident to anyone who is honest, loves the Church, lives close to the Holy Sacraments, and is nourished by 2000 years of Christ's Doctrine that there is a present and actual suspension of the Magisterium. We find ourselves in a situation similar to our forefathers during the Arian times, where it is up to the laity to continue being the Church despite the de facto erroneous teachings of the Magisterium. This is a matter of fact.
However, we are facing a much worse situation than a mere failure on the part of the ecclesiastical hierarchy to fulfill its duty of leading the Church to salvation. We are in a situation where not only does the hierarchy fail to teach the Good News, but it actually teaches the opposite of what Christ and the first Apostles have taught us, a teaching that has been faithfully transmitted to us Catholics throughout centuries and millennia.
My understanding of Prof. Feser's post is that he attempts to demonstrate an official statement from the current hierarchy indicating that they have ceased to teach the Doctrine. The formal rupture within the current hierarchical structure was formalized in Article 1 of Traditionis Custodes when it declared that the "lex orandi, lex credendi" (the law of prayer is the law of belief) of their structure has a discontinuity with that of the Church of Christ.
What is unprecedented in the history of the Church is that there is an obvious shift towards opposition and contradiction to what the Church has always taught, from Christ to us. Deepening our understanding of Christ's teachings cannot possibly lead to teaching the opposite of what the Church has taught. To do so would imply that the Church can be wrong in its teachings, and if that were the case, it would cast doubt on the Church's testimony of the Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Church must remain coherent, and if Jesus taught something, it is simply impossible for any deepening of our faith to lead to understanding and teaching the opposite.
Therefore, yes, we find ourselves in a situation where those in charge of the Church nowadays are de facto teaching anti-Christic behaviors and doctrines. It is up to us, as the laity, to not follow these doctrines and to ensure the continued transmission of the Faith to future generations.
This has nothing to do with any unwillingness to recognize Francis as the legitimate pope. There is no doubt that he is the pope, albeit one who is apostate, heretic, and even schismatic (as stated in Article 1 of Traditionis Custodes). It is not because he is horrendous from a spiritual, moral, theological, and even human standpoint that we cannot consider ourselves submitted to him. We willingly remain under his authority, we do not leave the formal Church, and as loyal and faithful believers, we demonstrate our filial love by striving to prevent his teachings from corrupting the spiritual persons we are responsible for. Furthermore, if we are to be punished because of our loyalty to the Church, we accept any possible punishment as participation to the Christ's Cross. However, we will correct the unjust consequences of such punishment while steadfastly adhering to the Truths taught and lived by the Church of Christ. By doing that, just as we limit the negative consequences of our father's actions, we simultaneously assist him in facing lesser consequences for his wrongdoing before the Judge who entrusted him with the care of His Church.
I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I follow the RC church quite carefully (and pray for it at times), and I see a variety of attitudes among the hard-pressed traditionalists. Yours here seems particularly beautiful. Prayers for you, my brother.
DeleteBravo! Excellent comment. Thank you.
DeleteWell done, good and faithful Gaetan. May God bless and further strengthen you, giving you more gifts to lead and to teach.
DeleteWe live in an age where most governments recognize religious pluralism and the church has no civil authority. Canon law, not civil law, prevents us from joining or creating whatever religious group strikes our fancy. If a liberal Pope tried to impose womenpriests and sacramental gay marriage on the church, this would provoke a schism. If a trad Pope tried to purge all the liberals, this would provoke a schism. In either case, a major schism would massively hamper the church's credibility and ability to evangelize. Imagine if their were two competing lines of Popes, how ridiculous we would look, even if one of the Popes was extremely orthodox. Every multi-national protestant denomination of any importance has had a schism over these exact issues in the past few decades. Doctrinal vagueness and looking the other way seems to be the only way to avoid this problem in the Catholic Church.
ReplyDeleteSo, the CDF seems way less inportant if this is what she will do now.
ReplyDeleteThat's how I read the article, too. Under the circumstances, downgrading the importance of the DDF might be a good thing. My deeper concern, though, is that, as is often the case, the toleration of different viewpoints may not be extended to views that consistent with historic Catholicism.
DeleteSeeing how the defenders of the latin mass are treated*, it is likely the case that the tolerarion will not be the same to some views.
Delete*even with there being radical voices on the movement
That is a bad, but it can always be far worse. Someday a Pius XIII or John Paul III or Benedict XVII will come an all will be well.
ReplyDeleteHey, Son of Ya"kov still lives!
DeleteOch aye the gnu jimmy!
DeleteI dinna fash!
DeleteMichael Lofton reply to Feser in 3, 2,….. not saying it will be a good reply.
ReplyDeleteAnd here is that response:
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What does it mean if the Church were to bless SS-Unions? Would that mean it teaches heresy? I'm confused on this point. Could the Church allow the blessing of SSUs while not being in heresy? Also, what constitutes the Church's allowing it? Does the Church technically allow it when it doesn't reprimand a member of clergy who does happen to bless a SSU?
ReplyDeleteI think that it would mean "people in the church bless same sex unions, in defiance of the formal teaching of the church." An analogy might be the selling of indulgences in the Middle Ages. "The Church" did not sell indulgences. Individual clerics may have claimed to, or attempted to, but it's not the same thing as the Church as an institution doing it.
DeleteThis theory makes far more sense and is far more traditional and orthodox then the idiot Sede theories.
ReplyDeleteThe Roman Catholic Church - human, all too human, and merely human, and now clearly destined for further liberalisation, further discontinuity with the past and ultimately another major schism. Guided and protected by god indeed!
ReplyDeleteAs you all know from your history, the pope once led armies is battle, deposed and crowned kings, and placed nations under papal interdict. And even in this country, cardinals like Francis Spellman and Richard Cushing carried great political weight. On a lighter note, Bishop Fulton Sheen once had one of the most popular shows on network TV and even won an Emmy award. Who knows what the church will be like in 50 years?
ReplyDeleteThe notion that what the Church needs is STILL MORE dialogue - a la PF and Tucho - is ridiculous on its face. Given that anyone with a keyboard can spout his opinions and be read by tens, hundreds, or thousands (if not millions), and given that we have had unending "dialogue" since well before V-II, suggests that more of that isn't what's going to cure us. If the illness is comprised (in part) of dialogue-arhea, we don't cure by taking more of it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, on the good side: Tucho and PF don't really mean it. As is usually the case with far-left ideologues, the dialogue is only open to those on the left, not to the orthodox who just want the Church to teach the truth. They will have absolutely no compunction about using the organs of the Vatican to persecute orthodox priests and bishops - as, witness, the persecution of the bishop of Arecibo, Puerto Rico, and any number of cancelled priests here in the US. Maybe PF won't use DDT for the job: he seems perfectly willing to go completely outside of channels and normal forms to effect his will, so perhaps he will let Tucho's DDT be all soft and cuddly, while keeping the knives in other pockets. But you can be confident he is keeping the knives sharp.
As for "not focusing on secondary issue", what the HELL was the point of changing the name from "Congregation" to "Dicastery"? Did Francis think that "dicastery" is a word that means more to more people? It is a hallmark of an ineffectual leader to go around changing the names of institutions instead of just making them work better. (4 years ago he changed the Apostolic John Paul II Institute on Marriage and Family to the new and excitingly different Pontifical John Paul II Theological Institute for Matrimonial and Family Science. In other words, pure jackassery. As he demonstrated quite clearly with that event, "collegiality" is what liberals proclaim with loud shouting when they don't hold the top positions, and when they do get hold of the top positions, they don't know anything about collegiality. It's all "heads we win, tails you lose" with liberals - i.e. they never really meant it to begin with.)
The sycophants in the synod and at the Vatican likely intend to assure the faithful that the Holy Spirit himself was heard in all the hours of dialogue among the People of God. The faithful shall be assured that all those hours of words now provide the foundation for the renewal, the reformation, and the refreshing breeze of the newly pentacostalized into the fossilized, rigid and frigid, old authoritarian church.
DeleteWith the definition of new love having been made more fully and duly revealed or spoken so as to have been made more truly and really manifest, an apostolic extirpation will follow. A new sin will similarly be entered into the Catechism. No longer shall the faithful consider chastisement, repudiation, inquisition, rebuke or other correction of immoral love action between two or more disordered inclinations between two or more persons as laudatory, worthwhile or valuable. Instead, the faithful shall consider themselves blessed to have opportune opportunities to participate, together, with, and in the church of +++him/her/they+++, in solemn blessing of all those newly designated categories of immoralities to Love.
Mind you, the sycophants at the synod and in the Vatican will assure that no doctrine of longstanding has been changed, for that would be impossible for the Pope to even consider. [GASP, fait accompli at a feat so circumvented.]
However, the Vatican does foresee that some invincibly ignorant faithful ones may experience a weakening of the understanding of doctrine. If any of the faithful should so suffer this side effect, he/she should immediately consult the Dicastery for the Destruction of the Faith. That instrument shall henceforth be authorized to offer a dispensation from belief, faith, or whatever else is needed to provide bodily or mindful relief. The Dicastery will be only too happy to assist and certify both lambs and wolves invincibly innocent because ignorant. Its mission complete, the Dicastery will cease.
With apologies to all here who have read, but I could not restrain myself from expressing a newfound urge to attempt satire.
And let's get to the main issue: the Church never lost her right and power to teach, and similarly (even during the Arian "crisis" that lasted more than 2 generations) it's not like every bishop who made any mistakes individually lost their office to teach. They all taught many things, and very often they taught the truth on many, many fronts - even the Arians among them. The bishops who, in union with the Apostles and Fathers, taught "there is only one God" were exercising their magisterial office. Newman (if we are not going to dismiss his comments) should not be read as if saying the college of bishops, as a whole, had so failed their office that the people should not have listened to them at all. While Newman expresses his sentiment in terms of "the body" of bishops, the failure was actually piecemeal, and so the response to the laity also needed to be more nuanced than "we don't listen to 'the bishops' any more". Certainly Athanasius in no way lost his right to teach. It wasn't every single bishop who was an Arian, and who no longer taught well. And even of the Arian bishops, sometimes they taught stuff outside of the Arian errors. We should not try to construe that ancient trouble as setting forth a paradigm of there being "no teaching Church", or that the "Magisterium is suspended". It's a wrong paradigm: even when some of the current bishops teach error, (a) other current bishops don't, and they are exercising magisterial authority when they do it; and (b) "The Magisterium" continues to be present to the current Church via the existing body of past teaching by past bishops, such that nobody can say "the Magisterium is silent" merely if the current bishops are silent on a given point. There ain't no "suspended Magisterium", there are only some (many) distinct failures to fulfill their magisterial duties by bishops and popes. When the failures are rampant, the Church is indeed in dire straights, but it doesn't negate the magisterial acts of the bishops who carry out their office.
ReplyDeleteAs a practical matter, I think "Suspended Magisterium" is a terrible name for this idea. It implies something far more broad than is actually being proposed.
ReplyDeleteI'm just as much in favor of clear doctrinal consistency as anyone here, but teaching is not the only thing the Magisterium does, it is not the only power the formal Church exercises. Just as important is the administration of the administration, for example. Calling this idea "suspended magisterium" rather than the far more narrow language that St. Newman himself used leads one to wonder if other functions of the magisterium are suspended as well, which is very problematic. I know Dr, Feser explicitly denies this idea in the body of his post here, but it seems like a really bad idea to stick a name to the actual idea that on the fact of it, is itself a mischaracterization or the idea.
Typo, should be "administration of the sacraments"
DeleteThank you, Ed, for this analysis. Maybe we who are critical of the Francis Pontificate have been going about this all wrong.
ReplyDeletePope Francis likes to draw a distinction between the "doctrinal' and the "pastoral." Let's say we take him at his word: he isn't changing doctrine. If that is true, then his poor judgement does not harm the papacy's claim to infallibility when speaking about doctrine ex cathedra.
We should also take him at his word that he means to be "pastoral." No one has ever claimed that papacy or anyone else, is infallible in pastoral matters.
So maybe instead of arguing about doctrine, maybe we should be striving to show that the Francis approach is TERRIBLE pastorally. Has he ever talked to an abandoned spouse? or an adult child of divorce? Or worse, an abandoned spouse whose spouse successfully annulled their marriage? The authors and promoters of Amoris Laetitia act as if they have never encountered such people.
No one is born gay. People can change their patterns of thoughts, feelings, behaviors and attractions. People abandon the gay identity every day. People like Fr. James Martin and all the rest of the lavender mafia act as if they've never heard of such people, or seen how the gay "community" marginalizes people who try to exit.
The devastation of living outside the Church's teachings on marriage, family and human sexuality is catastrophic, and getting worse every day. There is nothing "pastoral" about abandoning or concealing or watering down Church teaching.
Excellent comment.
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ReplyDeleteMichael Lofton responds.
Everyone always mentions Arius as if he was all that bad. His view would have died out of its own because it was stupid. But instead making a big deal out of it resulted in forcing Divine Simpilicty (the core heresy behind Arianism) onto the church, putting a poison pill inside the "orthodox" doctrine of the Trinity. That is, the Trinity is true, but a Trinity that includes Divine Simplicity is Semi-Arianism, and that is what the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Calvinists and Lutherans still teach today, a false Trinitarianism that becomes Modalism due to the teaching of Divine Simplicity because foolishness like Perichorasis (rotation, that the divine essence is spinning) does NOT fix the problem.
ReplyDeleteI respect Newman, but as someone who is about to publish a scholarly volume on the Arian Controversy, that is an utterly, absolutely absurd characterization of the 60 years after Nicaea. There was never a period during this time in which there were not enormous numbers of bishops and priests engaged in asserting detailed theories of the Godhead and debating them and condemning their enemies, and in which the bishop of Rome in particular was not actively involved in teaching a clear Trinitarian doctrine and working to hold together an ecclesial network on this basis.
ReplyDeleteThe 60 years after Nicaea were basically non-stop controversy on every level, in which most of what we think of as Nicene belief and practice was actively innovated (Nicaea itself was a somewhat compromising doctrinal pronouncement whose full meaning and implications were unclear to most people and which was ambiguous enough to be accepted by its main opponents including Arius). The idea of it as a time of episcopal silence is totally bizarre.
There was absolutely no "silence" or "suspension of functions" anywhere except conceivably in parts of the East where at least some (though not all that many--theories along this line don't hold up very well to the evidence of who attended what synod) bishops went along with certain Eusebian synodal and ecclesial projects in opposition to Rome and Athanasius while at least in theory interpreting them in more orthodox ways. Even there, though, the Eastern bishops committed to something like Nicene belief, while they probably just avoided Eusebian synods and kept silence in such forums on these questions, likely continued to preach in their own dioceses as they wished until forced by the Emperor otherwise.
It's a bizarre and puzzling historical interpretation, and as often is the case, makes for strained and bad interpretation of the present as well.
Thank you for this erudite comment. Although specializing in early modern European history, I have a good familiarity with the late Roman period, including the early councils of the Church, so I was stunned to find Prof. Feser endorsing Newman’s interpretation of the post-Nicaea period, which you aptly condemn as “utterly, absolutely absurd.” As you indicate, the vigorous defense of orthodoxy, of the magisterium, by legions of prelates, including bishops, is simply an historical fact, confirmed by both the primary sources and the secondary scholarly literature.
DeleteThis brings us to the question of what motivates the endorsement of this “bizarre and puzzling historical interpretation,” which, as you write, “makes for [a] strained and bad interpretation of the present as well.” There is a certain evasion here of the true nature of the present crisis, which the comment of Caetan Cantale-Miege (see above) correctly describes as one “where not only does the hierarchy fail to teach the Good News, but it actually teaches the opposite of what Christ and the first Apostles have taught us, a teaching that has been faithfully transmitted to us Catholics throughout centuries and millennia.” Thus, the devious strategy of sowing theological confusion and doubt—the footnote to Amoris Laetitia, the off the cuff heterodox papal statements, and so on--that marked the early years of the Bergoglian pontificate has now been abandoned and replaced by one of open heresy and apostasy. What Prof. Feser termed in May of 2021as one of many historical “blips” (https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2021/05/do-not-abandon-your-mother.html), is rather, as I wrote at the time, “a unique crisis that, in the words of historian Roberto Pertricci, ‘segna il tramonto di quell’imponente realtà storica definibile come ‘cattolicesimo romano’” [marks the sunset of that imposing historical reality that can be defined as Roman Catholicism].
If the words of the Pater Noster, which are clear in both Greek and Latin, can be altered at will to make them more theologically acceptable to the bien pensant, what is beyond the reach of “reform”? Thus, those who remain loyal to the Church should have no illusions about the uniquely destructive nature of this crisis. It is being advanced by dangerous “progressive” forces, increasingly aligned with the global Left, that have taken control of the leading institutions of the Church and whose objective is the eradication of the very core of traditional Roman Catholic thought and practice. The defense of the Church requires absolute clarity and no mincing of words as to the evil intentions and actions of these heretics and apostates.
Watching Michael Lofton tell Feser to "Stick to his lane, which is philosophy" is something.
ReplyDeleteI quit watching Lofton about a month ago. Too much casting aspersions and "excommunicating" anyone who is mildly uncomfortable with current Church hierarchy. I decided last night to click on his response to Feser. I made it about 5 minutes in and couldn't take it anymore.
DeleteYou cannot teach philosophy nor theology without ANY advertence to historical data. E.G. For theology, you must grapple with God's revelation made to the prophets, and in Christ - and these historical events must needs be considered with the criteria of historical analysis as well as with theological principles. So, "stick to your lane" is, arguably, an empty slogan.
DeleteThat said, I criticized Feser's thesis above with some of the same issues as Lofton (and in agreement with Caiati and Peabody above).
However, Lofton is perhaps overblown on the authority involved in Amoris vs in documents by the Congregation (I refuse to use "Dicastery" as another instance of forced "newspeak" that has no valid purpose). First, documents issued by the Congregation that DO have the pope's "common" approval are probably better considered to be PART of the Pope's ordinary teaching. Sure, they are not delivered personally by the pope, but they have been given far more intense scrutiny than the pope's off-the-cuff airplane comments, or his homilies, and the pope's general oversight of the congregation's activity and expressed through his common assent represents comparable levels of the pope's attention to the details of the work.
Secondly, CDF's documents that are not issued under the pope's name are issued with the name of either the prefect or secretary of the congregation. And these are (normally) bishops. So they are issued with an authority of a bishop if not of a pope. Sure, that means a lesser level of authority, but which is more authoritative: a papal quick comment on an airplane at 30,000 feet, or a 30 page document issued by a cardinal archbishop after review and approval by a body of prelates appointed to be the doctrinal watchdogs of the Church? Both are , as "matter", "teachings of the Church". Neither is, in form, infallible. But within those limits, the latter can carry more weight than the former.
As to Amoris itself: it's an apostolic exhortation, rather than the higher types like encyclical or constitution, so the pope himself meant for it to land lower down on authority. Within it, the pope repeats many teachings already taught either infallibly, or with many past authoritative teachings by the popes or the bishops, and those repeats carry their OWN weight of authority, along with a (tiny) new weight of this pope's approval. In addition, the pope says some things confusedly, but with probable meaning that CAN be, without enormous effort, reconciled with earlier Church teaching, and in these points it is hard to claim the pope's "teaching" carries any authority separate from or more than that of the ancient teaching that (probably) teaches the same thing more clearly. And where the pope's new document teaches something that can only with great effort (and some risk of mis-interpreting him) be reconciled with past magisterial teaching, (a) we are obliged to give his interpretation that reconcilable meaning if at all possible, and (b) it cannot possibly lend MORE weight to the older teaching than it already has.
The essential point is that the level of authority of non-infallible authoritative teaching COMES IN DEGREES according to many criteria, e.g. the teacher, the occasion, the kind of document used, the formality of the language employed, the clarity involved in the teaching words, the definitiveness which the teacher inserts into his assertions, and others. For example, you can't successfully impose an obligation to assent if people can't understand the assertion to which you want them assent.
I agree with your last sentence, which is why I think it is disingenuous when some accuse critics of Pope Francis of disobedience to the Magesterium. Sometimes the teaching is unclear and sometimes it appears to condradict past irreversible teaching. Without clarification, one can neither assent to what they do not understand nor can they assent to a contradiction. It is not possible to assent to both p and not-p.
Deletehttps://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/the-growth-of-catholic-theology-pope
ReplyDeleteRelevant.
PF: "Those were times when, rather than promoting theological knowledge, possible doctrinal errors were pursued."
ReplyDeleteFor 25 years I taught computer science in a university. If I had not pointed out my students' programming errors, I would have been doing my job very badly. How can one promote knowledge in theology, or any field, without identifying errors?
Quite right: the "promotion" of knowledge comes on several fronts: one is the development of new data, another is the interpretation of that new data, and yet another is the new analysis of data to dispel erroneous hypotheses or theories.
DeleteMoreover, it is sheer obfuscation to aver that the Congregation - prior to PF, or prior to the still more recent posting of Tucho to the Congregation, devoted most of its effort to "pursuing doctrinal errors". And if it did so until Tucho came to take over, then for the last 10 years, THAT'S ON POPE FRANCIS. But it's sheer hogwash anyway.