Monday, June 12, 2023

The associationist mindset

When Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophers say that human beings are by nature rational animals, they don’t mean that human beings always reason logically (which, of course, is obviously not the case).  They mean that human beings by nature have the capacity for reason, unlike other animals.  Whether they exercise that capacity well is another question.  Human beings are often irrational, but you have to have the capacity for reason to be irrational.  A dog or a tree doesn’t even rise to the level of irrationality.  They are non-rational, not irrational.

Rationality, on the Aristotelian-Thomistic account, involves three basic capacities: to grasp abstract concepts (such as the concept of being a man or the concept of being mortal); to put concepts together into complete thoughts or propositions (such as the proposition that all men are mortal); and to reason logically from one proposition to another (as when we reason from the premises that all men are mortal and that Socrates is a man to the conclusion that Socrates is mortal).  Logic studies the ways concepts can be combined into propositions and the ways propositions can be combined into inferences.  Deductive logic studies, specifically, inferences in which the conclusion is said to follow from the premises of necessity; and inductive logic studies inferences in which it is said to follow with probability.

Any adequate philosophical or psychological theory of the human mind has to be consistent with our possession of these capacities.  Many such theories fail this test, but might accurately describe some non-human creatures.  For example, Skinnerian behaviorism is hopeless as a theory of human nature, and isn’t even plausible as a description of many of the higher animals.  But as Daniel Dennett suggests, it might be true of simple invertebrates like sea slugs.  (It is also possible for a theory to do justice to our rational capacities, but still fail in some other respect accurately to describe human nature.  For example, Cartesian dualism does so insofar as it wrongly takes the human intellect to be a complete substance in its own right stocked with innate ideas.  But this is at least an approximation of what angelic minds are like.)

Then there are theories which get the human mind wrong, but nevertheless afford an approximate description of what a certain kind of disordered thinking is like.  Consider the dispute between voluntarism and intellectualism.  For the intellectualist, the intellect is prior to the will in the sense that the will is of its nature always directed at what the intellect judges to be good.  Voluntarism, which comes in different forms, seriously modifies or denies this claim. Like other Thomists, I take intellectualism to be the correct view.  But as I have argued elsewhere, with a certain kind of irrationality it is as if the person’s will floated free of his intellect.  (I’ve labeled this “the voluntarist personality.”)

Another example, I want to suggest here, is afforded by associationism.  Associationist theories attempt to account for all transitions from one mental state to another by reference to causal connections established via experience.  For example, David Hume famously posited three principles of association: resemblance, contiguity in time or space, and cause and effect.  Resemblance has to do with how one idea might trigger another because of some similarity between the things represented by the ideas.  For instance, seeing an orange might cause you to think of a basketball because they are similar in shape and color; smelling the marijuana smoke wafting from a nearby apartment might call to mind a skunk because the odor is similar; and so on.  Examples involving contiguity in time or space would be the way that thinking about World War II might bring to mind the sound of swing music (since it was popular at the time of the war), or the way that seeing the White House might generate an image of the Washington Monument, since they are in the same city.  Examples involving cause and effect would be the sight of a puddle on the ground triggering the thought of rain (since that is often a puddle’s cause) and the thought of a gun generating a mental image of a dead man (since that is often a gun’s effect).

Notice that all of these relations are sub-rational.  Suppose that, by way of the operation of Hume’s three principles, some particular person somehow developed a strong tendency to have the thought that it’s raining in Cleveland every time it occurred to him that it is now five o’clock just as he remembered that Charles is the current king of England.  Obviously, that would not entail the validity of the following argument:

It is now five o’clock

Charles is the current king of England

Therefore, it’s raining in Cleveland

That is to say, the causal relations by which one thought might come to generate another are not the same thing as the logical relations by which one proposition might entail another.  As a result, associationist theories, even if they might provide plausible accounts of the mental processes of some non-human animals, simply cannot account for the rational powers that set human beings apart from other animals.  For the causal relations they posit do not suffice to guarantee that the right logical relations will hold between the thoughts governed by those causal relations.  

This is a longstanding problem for associationist theories.  In contemporary philosophy of mind, cognitive science, and artificial intelligence research, the most influential variation on associationism is known as connectionism or the “neural network” approach.  It has been vigorously criticized by thinkers like Jerry Fodor and Zenon Pylyshyn for its inability to account for the rationality of thought.  What connectionist models (and the AI built on them) are good at is pattern recognition.  But sensitivity to patterns is not the same thing as a grasp of the logical relationships between concepts and propositions.  If all we did was pattern recognition, we would not be capable of the valid inferences that we carry out all the time.

Like voluntarism, though, associationism is not a bad approximate description of certain disordered habits of thinking.  For many people’s minds seem to operate as if they were governed by purely associationist principles.  In particular, those chronically prone to fallacious reasoning are like this.  For many logical fallacies involve a kind of jumping to conclusions on the basis of an association between ideas that seems tight but is in fact too weak to ground a deductively valid or even inductively strong inference.

The most obvious example involves a fallacy that happens to go by the name of “guilt by association.”  Suppose someone reasons as follows: “Chesterton criticized capitalism, and communists criticize capitalism, so Chesterton must have been a communist.”  The premises are true but the conclusion is false.  The speaker is assuming that because communism is associated with criticism of capitalism and Chesterton is associated with criticism of capitalism, it is reasonable to associate Chesterton with communism.  The reason this is fallacious, of course, is that though all communists are critics of capitalism, the converse is not true – not all critics of capitalism are communists. 

Sometimes when people commit this fallacy, they give it up immediately once it is pointed out to them.  That is a good indication that the psychological source of the error is simply that they made the inference too quickly or inattentively, nothing more.  But sometimes people are very reluctant to give up such an argument even after the error is explained to them.  For example, suppose someone argues: “Racists are opposed to illegal immigration and you are opposed to it, so you must be a racist.”  The fallacy here is exactly the same.  Even if all racists are opposed to illegal immigration, the converse is not true, so the conclusion does not follow.  But people can be very reluctant to give up this argument even though it is a straightforward case of the fallacy of guilt by association.  That is an indication that there is more going on here than merely too hasty an inference.

I’d propose that an additional factor is a further association in the speaker’s mind.  It’s not just that the speaker associates the idea of opposition to illegal immigration with the idea of racism.  There are, in addition, strong emotional associations at work.  The speaker has a strongly negative emotional reaction to opposition to illegal immigration, and one that is similar to the strongly negative emotional reaction he has to racism.  Hence even though there isn’t the needed logical connection to make the inference from premise to conclusion valid, the emotional connection between the ideas makes it hard for the speaker to give up the conclusion that you must be a racist.  This association is merely psychological rather than logical, so the inference remains fallacious, but the strength of the association makes it nevertheless difficult for the speaker to see that.

Other fallacies too involve jumping to conclusions on the basis of an association that seems logical but is in fact merely psychological, rendering the inference fallacious but easy to fall into.  Consider the “straw man” fallacy, wherein the speaker attacks a caricature of his opponent’s position rather than anything the opponent has actually said.  For instance, suppose you express the view that the Covid lockdowns did no net good but caused grave economic and psychological harm, and in response someone accuses you of being a libertarian who puts individual freedom ahead of the lives of others.  The speaker is misrepresenting your position, making it sound as if your view is that even though the lockdowns saved lives, your right to do what you want trumps that.  But that is not what you said.  What you said is that they did not save lives and in addition caused grave harm, and you made no appeal to any libertarian premises.

Here too it is psychological associations rather than logical connections that account for the error.  The speaker associates opposition to lockdowns with libertarianism (perhaps on the basis of a further fallacy of guilt by association, or because the lockdown critics he’s dealt with before happen to have been libertarians, or for some other reason).  The one idea simply happens to trigger the other one in his mind, and thus he supposes that you must be a libertarian and attacks the straw man.  The causal connection between the ideas makes the inference quite natural for him, but it does not make it logical.

Yet other fallacies are plausibly generated by such associationist psychological mechanisms.  Take the “circumstantial ad hominem” fallacy, also known as the fallacy of appeal to motive.  This involves rejecting a claim or argument merely on the basis of some suspect motive attributed (whether correctly or incorrectly) to the person advocating it.  For example, suppose some writer gives an argument to the effect that cutting taxes would promote economic growth, and you dismiss it on the grounds that it reflects mere self-interest on his part, or because the writer works for a think tank which is known for advocating such policies.  The problem with this is that whether the argument is sound or not is completely independent of the motives of the person giving it.  A person with bad motives can give a good argument and a person with good motives can give a bad argument.

However, motives are not always irrelevant.  For example, they are important when evaluating the reliability of testimony or expert advice.  If the sole witness in a murder trial is independently known to be hostile to the suspect, then that gives at least some reason to doubt his testimony implicating the suspect.  If a salesman assures you that the product he sells is the best on the market, the fact that he has a motive to sell it to you gives you reason to doubt him despite his expertise regarding products of that kind.

In a fallacy of appeal to motive, what no doubt often happens is that, on the basis of examples like these, the person committing the fallacy forms a psychological association between having a suspect motive and being untrustworthy.  Then, when he encounters an argument given by someone he suspects of having a bad motive, he goes on to associate being untrustworthy not just with the person in question but with the argument the person gives.  But again, the soundness or otherwise of an argument is independent of the character of the person who gives it, so that this transference is fallacious.  Once again, the causal connection between the ideas makes an inference seem natural, despite it’s not actually being logical.

There are yet other kinds of irrationality that can plausibly be said to reflect associationist psychological mechanisms.  Elsewhere I’ve argued that “wokeness” can be characterized as “a paranoid delusional hyper-egalitarian mindset that tends to see oppression and injustice where they do not exist or greatly to exaggerate them where they do exist.”  An example would be the way that mild or even entirely innocuous language in some vague way related to race is frequently shrilly denounced by wokesters as “racist.”  For example, the well-known market chain Trader Joe’s sells a Mexican beer labeled “Trader Jose’s,” and Chinese food products labeled “Trader Ming’s.”  To any sane mind, there is nothing remotely objectionable about this.  In particular, there is nothing in these labels that entails the slightest degree of hostility toward Mexican or Chinese people.  But the woke mind is not sane, and, unsurprisingly, there was a call a few years back to drop these labels (which, wisely, the chain decided to ignore).

What seems to be going on is that in the mind of the wokester, labels like these trigger the idea of race, which in turn triggers the idea of racism, and the strongly negative emotional associations of the latter in turn set up a similarly negative emotional association with the labels.  There is no logical connection at all, but the strength of the psychological associations makes the fallacious inference seem natural.  The woke mind is analogous to an overly sensitive smoke alarm, which blares out its obnoxious warning any time someone merely breathes too hard.  (In the article linked to, I discuss some of the disordered psychological tendencies which lead to the formation of such bogus associations.)

Another example of fallaciously associationist thinking would be the construction of fanciful “narratives” that seem to lend plausibility to dubious conspiracy theories of both left-wing and right-wing kinds.  I’ve elaborated on this elsewhere and so direct interested readers to that earlier discussion.

Naturally, since they are human beings, even people who exhibit what I am calling “the associationist mindset” do in fact possess rationality, which is why they can come to see their errors.  Their minds are not in fact correctly described by associationist psychological theories.  But reason is so weak in them and the mechanisms in question so strong that they can often behave as if these theories were true of them.  They seem to be disproportionately represented in social media contexts like Twitter.  And in fact such social media seem to foster associationist habits of thought, in ways I’ve discussed before.

52 comments:

  1. Great article

    As in the Summa, a lot of objections have to be knocked down in order to teach one Truth.

    People need clear examples of disordered thinking to avoid doing so and set others straight.

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    1. Contrast is the mother of clarity :)

      johannes hui

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    2. Also, people need to not be trained to be irrational by an irrational and bent education system. Once they are trained up that way, it is nearly impossible for them to recover - at least, it tends to take years of effort.

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  2. Excellent and valuable article. Thanks Dr. Feser.

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  3. Our capacity for associative logic is part of the pattern-making our minds do all the time (Gerald Edelman may have said or written something like that). He did say consciousness is a gift, wider than the sky. I like that metaphorical approach. Sure, we don't always get it right.., nor do we mean to get it wrong. As the cartoon wryly announces: that's life!

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  4. We cannot determine the internal structural workings of the brain by introspection any more than we can for the heart or the liver or any other internal organ. Human beings lack the internal self monitoring sensory paths that would be needed for such introspection.

    All attempts to determine the structure of the brain using boxology, or vague terms such as "will" arranged in a sort of flow chart, well, fuggetaboutit, utterly hopeless.

    Modern science is the only tool we have to determine how the brain works and right now even the tools of modern science are very limited in the field of neuroscience, in particular because performing potentially destructive experiments on a living human brain is unethical and likely illegal.

    But some scientific facts have become clear, that the human brain is a highly differentiated networked system with both parallel and sequential processes, capable of storing brain states and pattern matching those states with other stored brain states as well as real time sense data streams.

    You sometimes feel as though you are having a conversation with yourself, or that you are internally conflicted, or perhaps even that you are at war with yourself, because you are. There is no single point you. You are a collection of brain processes operating in parallel and interacting with each other. A great many of your brain processes are not available to your rational introspection, for example your desire for a particular flavor of food, which seems to come out of a misty nowhere, but actually comes from parallel brain processes that your rationality can only detect as a feeling or desire.

    The assertion of a soul in all this is particularly absurd and useless. The soul has no explanatory value for consciousness or any other aspect of human thought. Rather, the soul is just a vague blob that cannot explain anything at all, much less the complexities of what we call the human mind.

    To begin to understand your own mind one suggestion is to listen to Anil Seth.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyu7v7nWzfo
    Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality

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    1. "Your jargon is just a bunch of vague terms that mean nothing. Now, read to my ramblings, which is also filled with vague jargon!"
      -Stardusty, apparently

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    2. Stardusty - It is highly irrational to claim that consciousness is an illusion because this would mean there is an unconscious consciousness which is as clear a contradiction as there could be.

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    3. If I'm merely a collection of brain processes how can anything I do (such as performing potentially destructive experiments on another collection of brain processes) be considered "unethical"?

      Logic. It's always in the materialists' way.

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    4. Through "science", I am now aware that it was only in my imagination that I am aware of anything.

      Similarly, an evil demon may have fooled me into believing that I exist, maybe I don't exist but it merely appears to me that I do.

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    5. "Jonathan LewisJune 14, 2023 at 7:53 AM

      Stardusty - It is highly irrational to claim that consciousness is an illusion because this would mean there is an unconscious consciousness which is as clear a contradiction as there could be. "


      I don't read him as saying outright that consciousness is an illusion, since in order to have an illusion one would as you additionally imply, have to be aware of the experience of the illusion.

      What he does say are a number of mixed up things which it is hard to make sense of.

      For example he refers to some ostensible person attempting to " determine the structure of the brain using boxology, or vague terms such as "will".

      One wonders, who exactly has attempted to determine the physical structure of the brain by referring to "the will"?

      I've had as much psychology in college as the next guy, probably quite a bit more, and I recall no such approach to the study of the anatomy of the brain and it's relationship to conscious acts and behavior..

      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10072-014-1869-3

      One ought not confuse some attempted analysis of "the psyche" for an attempt to map the physiology of the brain. If Ole Sunshine did that, it's just plain stupid.

      And then we have classically circular supposed explanations like this:

      "the human brain is a highly differentiated networked system with both parallel and sequential processes, capable of storing brain states and pattern matching those states with other stored brain states as well as real time sense data streams."

      Yeah, so we are informed that the brain stores brain states. I suppose he is attempting to refer to the formation of memory in a mechanistic way, while still using sufficient hierarchical language so that statement seems less ridiculously tautological and otiose. Like some kid padding out an essay exam as the clock runs out and he sees he still has half a page to fill.

      The one thing that he is rather clear on, is that there is no core identity "you" to you.

      Which is probably why we see all the airy-fairie one with all sounding gibberish he spouts, despite being an atheist and a materials.

      There is no there, there, to preserve. No enduring you. Go with the flow. Be a part of it all.

      "Ommmm"

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    6. Jonathan,
      "It is highly irrational to claim that consciousness is an illusion"
      That depends on the precise definition of "illusion".

      There absolutely must be some process of me considering me, else who or what would be denying me except me? So, yes, to deny any and all sorts of self awareness would be a self defeating assertion.

      However, consciousness is an hallucination. The brain resides in darkness and silence inside the skull. All the brain get is pulse trains, electrochemical variations coming in along nerve cells.

      The vivid and detailed sensory show we experience is an hallucination constructed by the brain based on innate faculties inherited through the process of biological evolution, learned throughout our lives, and the sense data stream we get from our senses.

      The details of our perceptions include many distortions that have been studied and characterized by modern scientific perceptual studies.

      To the extent that an illusion is a thing "wrongly perceived" then much of our consciousness is indeed illusory.

      Common sense notions of the "will", "wants", "decisions", "choices", "memories" quickly break down and are shown to be at best highly incomplete and in some respects quite false.

      The underlying mechanisms of our consciousness cannot be detected or arrived at through introspection. Only modern scientific studies can begin to identify and explain the mechanisms of the human brain.

      Consciousness is highly illusory, even if the base fact of some such process is incontrovertible.

      il·lu·sion

      1. A thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.
      "the illusion makes parallel lines seem to diverge by placing them on a zigzag-striped background"

      Similar:
      mirage hallucination apparition phantasm phantom vision specter fantasy figment of the imagination will-o'-the-wisp trick of the light ignis fatuus

      2. A deceptive appearance or impression.
      "the illusion of family togetherness"
      Similar:
      appearance impression imitation semblance pretense sham false appearance deceptive appearance deception misperception simulacrum

      3. A false idea or belief.

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    7. Well, I'll be. The guy did come right out and say it: " ... consciousness is an hallucination"

      Now apparently he does not mean to assert that one is not really aware of anything and that one's sense of awareness is somehow itself a false impression; but, rather that the mental construct of the world which we carry around with us from moment to moment is not only prone to sensory error, but is a complete hallucination.

      Now, that is just dopey, and he knows it, as his attempt to save the insanely hyperbolic case by purportedly showing that "hallucination" is, according to a thesaurus, an occasional near synonym for "illusion", reveals.

      When one sees the end of a stick held in a bucket of water appear as broken or shifted in position, one is viewing an optical illusion. There are many forms of optical illusion and not all are based on bent light, as we all know. Interference patterns, ambiguous graphics, and perhaps even mistaken comparative judgments might be included. But those are simply misjudgments of the sensory data according to more typically encountered references and situations.

      When a chronic drunk sees bats crawling out of of the ears of trolls camped at the foot of his hospital bed however, he is said to be experiencing a hallucination.

      As Cleveland clinic has it, "Chemical reactions and/or abnormalities in your brain cause hallucinations. Hallucinations are typically a symptom of a psychosis-related disorder, particularly schizophrenia, but they can also result from substance use, neurological conditions and some temporary situations."

      As even Wiki notes, ".... hallucination is a perception in the absence of an external stimulus ..."

      The fact that our senses provide us with input that can be misconstrued is not a new discovery.

      And if one were to take Sunshine's ludicrous equivalences at face value, one would have to conclude that the notion we were experiencing an illusion, was itself a hallucination. Which, is simply another instance in what is a clear pattern of his wantonly advancing self defeating arguments.

      There may be an interesting natural segue available into a discussion of qualia, such as Feser has done numerous times before, but one is not going to get there from the histrionic dead end Sunshine has driven himself down. Because if it is all a hallucination, so is the science he claims to be adverting to.

      And even he does not talk as if he quite concedes that.

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    8. DNW
      Cleveland clinic has it, "Chemical reactions and/or abnormalities in your brain cause hallucinations. Hallucinations are typically a symptom of a psychosis-related disorder, particularly schizophrenia, but they can also result from substance use, neurological conditions and some temporary situations."

      Then every dream is pathological.

      Presumably, you have experienced vivid dreams, held conversations, or reasoned, or have streams of consciousness in your dreams, recognized faces and objects and scenes in great detail, yet in reality, you are resting with your eyes closed.

      By way of a very rough analogy, the hallucination is like a computer monitor and speakers, a dream is like a pre-recorded video being played, and your ordinary waking perceptual theater of the mind is like connecting a camera to your monitor through your computer.

      In between the camera and monitor are bit streams bearing no readily apparent resemblance to the scene in the view of the camera or the moving image on the monitor. The data stream is very roughly analogous to electrochemical signals along your nerves.

      It turns out that for human beings the storage and hallucination process that gives rise to dreams is highly unrealistic and sporadic in many respects, but vividly realistic in other respects.

      The fact that we dream at all is likely a spandrel of biological evolution. The sporadic and distorted nature of our dreams is likely due to a lack of selection pressure for correlation to any external reality. It just does not make a significant difference to reproductive success whether we do or do not have realistic dreams, or sleeping hallucinations.

      The waking hallucination that is our moment to moment conscious experience is quite another matter. There is a very powerful selection pressure for the brain to assemble our moment to moment theatre of the mind, our perceptual hallucination of moment to moment reality, with a very strong correlation to the truth of our external environment.

      It is that selection pressure to correlate our assessment of truth with the actual external environment that makes the evolutionary argument of Plantinga and the so-called argument from reason from Lewis and Reppert so preposterous.

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    9. And we really know, with scientific knowledge, that our conscious awareness is an hallucination. Even though that very awareness is, itself, an hallucination. Get it? We hallucinate - albeit correctly, of course - that our conscious awareness is hallucinatory.

      Also, the side of the square is commensurate with the diagonal.

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    10. Anon,
      "And we really know, with scientific knowledge,"
      If by "really know" you mean absolute certainty then adding the qualifier "scientific" becomes a contradiction in terms.

      A scientific fact is intrinsically a provisional fact, not an absolutely certain fact. We have few absolute facts available to us, such as that we are each absolutely certain of our own existence in some form.

      Science is based on the provisional postulates of the basic reliability our senses and the truth of the foundational axioms of logic.

      "Get it?"
      Yes, I get that my materialism is entirely free of any self defeating circularity.

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    11. Above: Similarly, an evil demon may have fooled me into believing that I exist, maybe I don't exist but it merely appears to me that I do.

      StarterPack We have few absolute facts available to us, such as that we are each absolutely certain of our own existence in some form.

      Science is based on the provisional postulates of the basic reliability our senses and the truth of the foundational axioms of logic.

      The hallucinatory / illusory aspect of the experience that "I exist", together with the provisionality of the axioms of logic (i.e. as postulates, not absolute certainties) imply a provisional knowledge that I exist, not an absolute certainty that I exist.

      Oh, did you mean that science is based on two factors, one provisional and one not: (1) the provisional postulate (singular) of the reliability of the senses; and
      (2) the non-provisional, absolute truth of the axioms of logic?

      Then the axioms of logic are not materialistic: that is, they cannot be merely matter and the deterministic or quantum probabilistic) forces acting upon them. There is no way of resolving the latter into the expressed axioms of logic, such that the axioms justifiably produce valid conclusions. And even if you posit that there might be some way to state such a resolution, nobody has yet explicitly set forth such a pathway, nor has anyone before who has used the axioms imagined that we "know" the axioms of logic on account of having such a pathway to explain them. So our use of them could only be (at best, and only if we are lucky) provisional based on a hope that there would be some account "out there" that could resolve our experiential certainty as the direct result of matter and the forces acting upon them, such that these operations must necessarily produce logically sound axioms perfectly coordinate with the (hallucinatory) experience of the certainty. I.E. Necessarily true accidental hallucinations of certainty.

      my materialism is entirely free of any self defeating circularity.

      A materialistically based "axiom of logic" is oxymoronic. It amounts to necessarily true accidental experiences of certainty.

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    12. Anon,
      "Similarly, an evil demon may have fooled me into believing that I exist, maybe I don't exist but it merely appears to me that I do."
      That is a self defeating speculation. If a demon fooled a "me" then there must be an "I", else, who or what is the "me" being fooled?

      "The hallucinatory / illusory aspect of the experience that "I exist", together with the provisionality of the axioms of logic (i.e. as postulates, not absolute certainties) imply a provisional knowledge that I exist, not an absolute certainty that I exist."
      No, it is my form of existence that is provisional, not the fact that I exist in some form.

      "A materialistically based "axiom of logic" is oxymoronic."
      Logic is descriptive. Logic is a language. Like other languages some systems of logic can be shown to be inconsistent, one famous example being Russell's Paradox.

      In the English language one can state "This sentence is false".

      It appears self evident that no thing could be and simultaneously not be. To describe that material reality we can write a logical axiom of non-contradiction.

      Elsewhere Dr. Feser has written on the contrast between ontological truth and logical truth. I agree with him that ontological truth is primary. Logical truth is a derivative of or parasitic upon ontological truth.

      Theists often attempt to show that materialism is somehow self defeating. Such theistic arguments invariably fail.

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    13. No, it is my form of existence that is provisional, not the fact that I exist in some form.

      It is the experience of asserting "I exist" and thinking "I exist" that is hallucinatory. You may, if you wish, now assert that "but the reality that I exist is certain, even though the experience of thinking it and asserting it is hallucinatory, but that's just more self-defeating nonsense.

      That is a self defeating speculation. If a demon fooled a "me" then there must be an "I", else, who or what is the "me" being fooled?

      The fact that you caught on to the idiotic, self-defeating oxymoron involved in the demonic foolery, but cannot catch on to the self-defeating oxymoronic nonsense in "all experience is hallucination" together with knowing absolutely certain self-evident laws of logic is precisely what has us laughing at your nonsense. You are a comedy routine. Unfortunately, with repetition it is getting less and less funny. You need a different audience, try somewhere else.

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    14. I'd love to have a discussion with you about this, but you're so dismissive and disrespectful that I don't see the point.

      That said, many on the other side are equally dismissive/disrespectful, that I kind of understand your attitude.

      How about a clean slate? Let's *all* start over!

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    15. Anon,
      "You may, if you wish, now assert that "but the reality that I exist is certain, even though the experience of thinking it and asserting it is hallucinatory, but that's just more self-defeating nonsense."
      Even is one is raving mad in a padded room with schizophrenic delusions there still must absolutely exist that individual to have those schizophrenic delusions.

      My materialism is entirely free of self defeating assertions or circularity.

      "but cannot catch on to the self-defeating oxymoronic nonsense in "all experience is hallucination"
      When our hallucinations agree that is often what we consider to be reality.

      You are mixing up "hallucination" with "unreal".

      Have you ever formed an image in your mind of a real thing you could not actually see at the moment? That is sometimes useful for performing a manipulative task on an object that is within reach but out of sight.

      Consider virtual reality goggles, which are small video display screens on the inside of goggles. The images can seem very real, even if completely false. Supposing the goggles are connected to a camera, are your visions more or less real?

      Consider a flight simulator, a very sophisticated one. It can seem very real, but of course you are actually on the ground. Now, supposing you fly a real airplane, but with the windows replaced with video displays, and cameras mounted outside the plane, except the displays are in unreal colors and have added information, could you fly the plane?

      The brain sits in silence and darkness inside a bone box. All your brain gets is streams of electrochemical fluctuations coming in along nerve cells.

      The images and sights and sounds and tastes are all constructed by your brain from those nerve signals.

      Your entire perceptual experience is an ongoing hallucination constructed by your brain.

      There is nothing even remotely self defeating about that clear fact.

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    16. Even is one is raving mad in a padded room with schizophrenic delusions there still must absolutely exist that individual to have those schizophrenic delusions.

      Then you admit that you have ONE experience - the experience of the feeling / awareness that such individual "still must absolutely exist" that is not hallucinatory - that the feeling you have is accurate as to the reality.

      Even though that feeling is constituted merely of atomic particles moving according to physical forces alone, without regard to any PHYSICAL law that requires that the motions mean anything, much less that they mean "the laws of logic". So, somehow or other (which you cannot explain in detail), an accidental order arises in the brain such that a BRAIN STATE of atoms and movements accurately and reliably provides you with a SENSATION that appears to be "about" a "truth" (i.e. not a physical thing) that "X exists", and that your sensation of its correctness accurately maps to reality. Accurately, reliably, and accidentally. And that it does this every time the "laws of logic" come into play. Accidentally.

      You, my friend, need to rediscover the antipathy between "accident" and "necessity".

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    17. Anon,
      "that is not hallucinatory - that the feeling you have is accurate as to the reality."
      You seem to associate an hallucination with unreality.

      Apparently, you juxtapose hallucination with reality.

      An hallucination can be very realistic. An hallucination can be about and highly representative of reality.

      "that the motions mean anything,"
      Meaning is relative. What we call "meaning" is just a description of a relationship.

      "much less that they mean "the laws of logic""
      What we call "the laws of logic" are descriptive of observed relationships at base, and abstracted relationships more generally.

      "BRAIN STATE of atoms and movements accurately and reliably provides you with a SENSATION that appears to be "about" a "truth""
      Accuracy and reliability are highly variable. The fundamental truth of the cosmos is the actual state of affairs in the cosmos. Our sensations are about that truth to some fair extent with our immediate senses.

      "your sensation of its correctness accurately maps to reality."
      I have no idea where you are getting all this from, certainly not anything I asserted.


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  5. The mindset of wokists and religious is structurally very similar. Both often shield their beliefs from rational criticism through self-immunization strategies. For both, feelings of certainty are more important than the search for truth. Both sin against reason and are intellectually dishonest.

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    1. Wait: for all of them?

      There aren't any religious who accept (or even seek) rational critique? For whom truth is more important than feelings?

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      No, not a single one of them.

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    3. I'm not sure what "self-immunization strategies" is meant to refer to. Purely rationally speaking, so to speak (if there is such a thing?), such "strategies" would not obviously be essentially irrational, sins against reason, or intellectually dishonest (despite what Anonymous seems to assume here).

      The other question this comment raises for me: both feelings of certainty and the search for truth are important. Why assume one is more important than the other? You might be assuming that one is independent of the other, and thence argue that one is more important; but then how to ground the claim that the two are independent? I wonder if the grounding looks something like this: 'I just feel certain that the search for truth is more important than feelings of certainty. (And perhaps also that "narratives" as such are inherently suspicious and less rational than actual "rational" thinking -- and that the distinction between "narrative" and "rational" thinking is a principled and defensible one, a "real" distinction, and not merely a distinction of reason.)'

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  6. "What seems to be going on is that in the mind of the wokester, labels like these trigger the idea of race, which in turn triggers the idea of racism, and the strongly negative emotional associations of the latter in turn set up a similarly negative emotional association with the labels. There is no logical connection at all, but the strength of the psychological associations makes the fallacious inference seem natural. "

    I work in high tech where we had to go through a language purge. Words like blacklist, master slave, male and female connectors had to be removed from usage because they may be potentially insensitive. I remember when this started three or four years ago thinking it wasn't anything important. But now I feel like it was a sort of top down thought control.

    A similar thing happened earlier on in university where it became mandated to use BCE and CE because BC and AD were not inclusive enough. I have no problems using AD and BC though, but I can see how a Muslim or a Hindu or an Atheist might be annoyed. Honestly, I'd be happy to allow for both systems to work in parallel as they both indicate the same date. But it may be just a matter of time for them to want to change our entire dating system to something not centered around the birth of Christ.

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    1. About BCE instead of BC: Interestingly, Neil deGrasse Tyson has rejected using BCE and will only use BC and AD, meaning exactly what they always meant, in spite of the fact that he is not a Christian. He correctly points out that even if you use BCE, you are still determining years based on the lifetime of Christ, so it's a surface change (and effectively a dishonest one at that). But equally important (to him), I think, is that it was Christians, specifically, who did the science needed to refine the calendar into the Gregorian calendar we have, and the science they did 400 years ago was good enough that we cannot improve on that calendar now - it's not easy to find an equal feat in today's world.

      About changing the dating point zero: I believe you are right, if the woke nonsense continues for long enough, they will definitely want to do that. Unfortunately for them, once you undermine preferential points of view, you have undermined any basis for any one person's preferred starting date over any other person's, and it is impossible to settle on a binding selection of some other date. In addition, it takes an enormous amount of effort to re-jigger all the things that are connected to our dating system, and it is - for practical purposes - virtually impossible to mandate that everyone commit to making those changes. And then you are still left with unpalatable side-effects, i.e. every single book written in the past, with old dating, become difficult to read / interpret because you aren't going to re-publish every one of the with the dates revised. And all the scientific papers published, and all the contracts with dates, and all the public records, and... It's no small matter, it's huge. People would (rightly) conclude it's not worth it to make that change.

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    2. Daniel - there could be some reason for not calling electronic parts slaves. I once saw an advertisement that read "slaves for sale" Of course this was actually referring to technology but it can be easily misunderstood.

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    3. Hey Tony,

      Good response. A lot of practical reasons for not changing the nomenclature of BC and AD.

      But you can see how the emotional (Associationist) responses would discount these. They would say that this dating system is a legacy of colonialism, Western oppression, white racism, and so on.

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    4. "Daniel - there could be some reason for not calling electronic parts slaves. I once saw an advertisement that read "slaves for sale" Of course this was actually referring to technology but it can be easily misunderstood."

      Agreed. LOL. Also male and female connectors are a little on the nose. Not something any woman would have invented.

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    5. Arthur Schopenhauer said that the root of all antisocial behavior was sensitivity. He told the story of the Hedgehog's Dilemma: two hedgehogs want to cuddle with each other, but because their quills hurt their soft underbellies, they stay apart. Because we all have rough parts of our personalities (Carl Jung "the Shadow"), the result is that we isolate ourselves from each other.

      And it's no coincidence that Gen-Z's hypersensitivity over language is correlated with Gen-Z being the most lonely and isolated of all generations. That proves that Arthur Schopenhauer discovered the Truth.

      The solution is to be as insensitive as you possibly can. Make no room for the mortal sin of sensitivity!

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  7. "There are yet other kinds of irrationality that can plausibly be said to reflect associationist psychological mechanisms. Elsewhere I’ve argued that “wokeness” can be characterized as “a paranoid delusional hyper-egalitarian mindset that tends to see oppression and injustice where they do not exist or greatly to exaggerate them where they do exist.” "

    Yes. Or you can just look at their usually misshapen and often infantilized faces and probably be right more often than wrong in identifying them.

    If homosexuals can identify each other through facial clues which scientists have now analyzed, then one can probably do something similar with "the Woke" (I mean do so even while ignoring the aggressive fat, or the anorexia, the piercings, the tats, the purple hair and so forth)

    It's a nice materialist approach that simply looks at [or uses metrics to analyze] the organism as a package of genetic expressions, and estimates what strategies it will employ in order to protect or insinuate itself into productive systems not of its own making.

    There's something to be said for atheism, if only insofar as it allows you to gaze impassively at certain [usually uncongenial] others without squinting through the polite the veil of fellowship assumptions and metaphysical qualities which we usually impute to even the most annoying among "us".


    Catholics of course are compelled by their own ethos to attribute meaningful human attributes to such types, and lessen the "it" or "thingness" stance toward them which they might otherwise justifiably adopt.

    Nonetheless, some human organisms, it might turn out, are simply not fitted by nature or temperament to live among free men and women. What one's objective responsibility with regard to such specimens might be, would I suppose, largely depend on your starting assumptions.



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  8. You certain about that?

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  9. Interestingly enough, one might even go further.

    The ones who have such "associationist mindset" are going to be offering not arguments, but testimony. And they are likely to treat arguments of others as testimony and not arguments.

    And they often do seem to do so. For example, when we see a question "Why does Dr. Feser want death penalty?", that is also a response to something that they take as testimony (it can be translated as "Why does Dr. Feser testify in favour of death penalty?").

    It might explain the obsession with experts, credentials, scientific consensus (seen in various matters from COVID-19 to global warming to trangenderism) - those are the things that make testimony more valuable, although they are mostly useless for evaluation of arguments.

    It might explain obsession with "lived experience".

    And things get worse when they notice that people tend to accept the testimony of people they respect. Then all arguments against their position are seen as insults, and all insults as "ad hominem".

    And then they also might believe that the basic moral axiom is not "Do good and avoid evil.", but "Support (and respect) good guys, fight (and disrespect) bad guys.", which could also interact with those other "beliefs" in ugly ways...

    It's a pity that there doesn't seem to be that much guidance about the cases when one should refuse to show respect (St. Thomas Aquinas does discuss honors under "Dulia" (https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3103.htm), but not when we should refuse to give them)...

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  10. All men are risible?

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  11. WCB

    "When Aristotelian-Thomistic philosophers say that human beings are by nature rational animals, they don’t mean that human beings always reason logically (which, of course, is obviously not the case).  They mean that human beings by nature have the capacity for reason, unlike other animals.  Whether they exercise that capacity well is another question.  Human beings are often irrational, but you have to have the capacity for reason to be irrational.  A dog or a tree doesn’t even rise to the level of irrationality.  They are non-rational, not irrational."

    Youtube, a raccoon trapped in a dumpster reasons rationally to escape.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g3KYnC-Udo

    If any theologian, or philosopher seriously claims animals cannot reason rationally, they are very bad philosophers and theologians. Who lack ability to observe actual animals and their rational behavior. During the era of Descartes, it was declared animals had no souls, did not reason, and were merely automatons. incapable of feeling pain or suffering. Despite obvious observations to the contrary. Modern philosophy and theology needs to admit ancient nonsense like this was false and needs to be admitted false, and learn from this obvious set of truths. And make sure they are not repeating these sorts of errors when writing about reason, logic or rational thinking.

    There is a lot we do not know yet about how a human brain works. Or animal brains.
    And like good skeptics admit that. Philosophy of the gaps is not knowledge.


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    1. YouTube “Racoon explains the concept of ‘dumpster’ ‘escape’ as well as the nature of being a racoon”. Saying animals aren’t rational doesn’t entail they can’t be clever. It means they can’t grasp concepts.

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      Ahhh, sophistry. If an animal is pointed out as rationally reasoning, simply declare it is something else. Not reasoning. Just being clever. The point is, evolution did not equip raccoons with unreasoning instincts to escape from dumpster bins using a convenient plank.

      WCB

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    3. Anonymous (WCB),

      Let's talk about sophistry, which is defined as fallacious, though superficially plausible reasoning, often times with a connotation of being used with an intent to deceive.

      Your original comment quotes Feser contending that animals aren't rational. You then go on to dispute that claim, citing a racoon escaping a dumpster as a clear example of an animal being "rational."

      But as Journey 516 points out, that's not what is meant by "rational." He corrects you, writing that "rational" in the context of "rational animal" means the ability "grasp [abstract] concepts" and infer truths from them when expressed in the form of propositions.

      You go on to dismiss that definition as "sophistry" because the racoon escaping the dumpster is a demonstration of rationality, you insist. So your argument charitably reconstructed is like:

      1) Feser posits that animals aren't rational.
      2) But animals exhibit the ability to problem-solve in many environments they find themselves. e.g., the racoon finding its way out of a dumpster
      3) The ability to problem-solve is proof of being rational.
      C1) Contra Feser, animals are rational.
      C2) Feser is wrong.

      Now, arguments either succeed or not depending on if they rely on a fallacy of reasoning. Your argument boasts such a fallacy. It features a glaring fallacy of equivocation: You equivocate on the term "rational," ignoring the sense of the term in 1), preferring an entirely distinct sense of the term in 3), and thus fallaciously concluding the falsehood of premise 1), misinterpreting "rational" in the sense of 3), which is not what philosophical Aristotelians like Feser mean, as Journey 516 explains above...

      ...And so does Feser in the original post. See, directly after the paragraph you quote in full is this paragraph:

      "Rationality, on the Aristotelian-Thomistic account, involves three basic capacities: to grasp abstract concepts (such as the concept of being a man or the concept of being mortal); to put concepts together into complete thoughts or propositions (such as the proposition that all men are mortal); and to reason logically from one proposition to another (as when we reason from the premises that all men are mortal and that Socrates is a man to the conclusion that Socrates is mortal). Logic studies the ways concepts can be combined into propositions and the ways propositions can be combined into inferences. Deductive logic studies, specifically, inferences in which the conclusion is said to follow from the premises of necessity; and inductive logic studies inferences in which it is said to follow with probability."

      That's clearly not the same kind of rationality that you conflate with the ability to problem-solve, which philosophers have long distinguished as "instrumental" or practical rationality. Feser is not referring to practical rationality when he writes that "animals are non-rational." I don't think anyone seriously doubts that animals have instrumental or practical rationality. The idea is that they don't have the ability to reason abstractly about concepts. In other words, they don't engage in mathematics, philosophy, art, language, humor, moral reasoning, etc. like we do. That racoon of yours, though clearly thinking about which particular means are required to escape the dumpster, is not thinking about whether it ought to escape the dumpster -- if such an end is good -- or what it is to be a racoon, or if a raccoon falls in a dumpster, and no other racoon perceives it, then wonders if he, the racoon-in-dumpster, in fact exists. No amount of observing racoons escaping dumpsters or birds at bird-feeders will support the idea that animals engage in such activities characteristic of we rational animals in the Aristotelian sense of "rational" here.

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    4. @ Anonymous (WCB) Continued:

      This notion is easy enough to understand if you actually read the post. As mentioned earlier, it's right there after the paragraph you took the time to quote -- the first one in the entire post. So either you stopped reading after the very first paragraph and decided to post your facile critique, or you didn't but ignored everything from the second paragraph onward and posted the same critique anyway. Either way, such a failure of reading comprehension suggests intellectual dishonesty.

      So, as I take this into account with the overall paucity of your argument, the fallaciousness of which was demonstrated in the comment above, and your seeming modus operandi generally here is to refute Christian theism and conservatism as absurd, I must inquire: Who is the one really engaging in "sophistry" here?

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    5. "It means they can’t grasp concepts." Obviously they ain't the only ones, know what I'm sayin? Oy.

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    6. Intellectual dishonesty, sophistry... or mere stupidity?

      "I don't think anyone seriously doubts that animals have instrumental or practical rationality."

      I do.

      "The idea is that they don't have the ability to reason abstractly about concepts. In other words, they don't engage in mathematics, philosophy, art, language, humor, moral reasoning, etc. like we do."

      They also don't engage in practical reasoning like we do. They don't reason about concepts (of course), but they also don't reason using concepts, because they don't possess concepts at all, including concepts of garbage cans (or is it food cans?), escape, tool, food, sex, life, death, body, paw, hand, soul, etc. Practical reasoning, properly so called, is intrinsically related to and dependent on theoretical/speculative reasoning. Accordingly, goal/drive-oriented cognition in animals is obviously real, but is essentially different from practical rationality in human beings (i.e., genuinely rational practical rationality).

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  12. Good points, WCB. Recently, I drew such a parallel in a paper on consciousness, pointing out that white-tail deer, travelling known and oft used woodland trails, notice when there is something in their path that was not there yesterday. They may not know why, but this makes them very nervous. They may not understand time but they recognize difference. That improves their odds of survival.

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      Maybe philosophers should set up bird feeders and experience the joys of trying to keep the squirrels out of them. Only then may they write about the rational, reasoning ability of animals.

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    2. The same thing happens when police horses encounter wike rainbow street crossings - they get skittish.

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    3. They do make bird feeders that keep out squirrels. And there also some designed to keep out philosophers,

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  13. I get constructively undressed frequently and don't mind owning that. Whether the three(3) previous comments were about mine, concerning whitetail deer bothers, me little. However, flippant remarks do not reflect well on any topic. Which is why I don't show up to this party that often. I used to kill deer for sport and food. Squirrels and, yes, rabbits, before that. Carry on.

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  14. WCB

    The ancient claim animals are automatons, incapable of reason, rational thinking or moral behavior seems to be too common today, especially in the theological - philosophical discussions. I have been having these for years. For example, the problem of a merciful, compassionate God who created all and animal suffering. Predation, parasites, diseases. A big aspect of the Problem Of Evil. Isaiah prophecies a coming new order of things, 'Holy Mountain, where animal predation no longer exists, where lions like lambs. That is to say, God could banish animal predation. What then is God waiting for? It then follows if the Bible is true, animal predation is here because God allows that. Why? With the new Great Commission, why not banish animal suffering?

    God 1. A God that is compassionate and merciful.
    2. A God that causes tremendous amounts of animal suffering contra claims God is merciful and compassionate? Pick one.

    It would seem then we live in a world of evolution. Evolution, has no mind, no consciousness capable of mercy and compassion. Evolution is opportunistic. Yet I have been told for years, do worry, animals are not really rational beings who feel pain, or suffer. Leading to a lot of sophistry and apologist's ilogical claims. Reaching back to ancient errors to bolster this sort of nonsense.

    Dangerous thinking that can lead to horrors.

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  15. Oh dear Ed. Never use the word "all" in a syllogism as in "all men"; it opens the syllogism right up to the objection of John Stuart Mill. Rather it should be "every man" etc. We argue from a nature applied distributively but not from a plural collective. The great Australian Thomist Dr Woodbury was right onto this common mistake but I see it a lot in American Thomists. Pax.

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