What are the
goals of, and rationale for, the conflict?
Trump cites
Venezuela’s status as a source of drugs, criminals, and unwanted immigrants
entering the United States. Administration
officials and Republicans in Congress routinely characterize Maduro’s regime as
“narco-terrorist,” and they’ve long criticized the socialist dictator for the
human rights violations and economic chaos that have plagued Venezuela. The point of the conflict thus seems to be
regime change, in the interest of punishing and deterring state sponsorship of
the drug trade.
Yet the
administration has sent mixed signals.
Trump has also denied
that he is seeking regime change, as has Secretary
of State Marco Rubio. Trump’s controversial
recent pardon
of former Honduran president and convicted drug trafficker Juan
Orlando Hernandez tells against a serious concern with punishing state
sponsored drug trafficking. Trump has
also declined
to say one way or the other about whether he would send ground
troops into Venezuela, or to address just how far he would go in order to oust
Maduro.
Hence,
whether the U.S. really does intend to go to war – and if so, what the point of
the war would be – are murky at best. So
too is the legal basis of the war, and of the means used to fight it. There has been no congressional authorization
for such a war, though this is required by the Constitution. True, modern U.S. presidents have not much
respected the spirit of this restriction.
But they have at least still generally felt the need to get Congress to
rubber stamp military actions they’ve already initiated or decided they wanted
to carry out. It is better if presidents
continue at least partially and grudgingly to adhere to the letter of the law
in this way, rather than setting a precedent for simply ignoring Congress
altogether.
To be sure,
the administration’s emphasis has been on the claim that the drug runners they
have been targeting are “terrorists.”
And it seems that the administration is operating under the assumption
that military attacks on these people are therefore legal given congressional
authorization, after 9/11, for the use of military force against
terrorists. But as Andrew McCarthy has
argued, such a defense is specious, because drug trafficking simply
does not fit the definition of “terrorism” under federal law. (And it is sheer sophistry to suggest, as
some have, that drug trafficking counts as “terrorism” insofar as the drug
problem has “terrorized” American families, brought “terror” to addicts, and so
on. These loose uses of the term
“terror” are completely irrelevant to the question of the legal sense of the term. You
might as well argue that producers of crime thrillers and horror movies are
“terrorists” insofar as they cause audiences to feel “terror.”)
There are
other problems with the attacks on the boats.
In at least one case, it
has been alleged that the boat targeted was actually a fishing boat
rather than a drug-running boat. In
another and especially controversial case, it appears that survivors of an
attack were killed in a second attack despite having been rendered harmless by
the initial attack. This is contrary to jus in bello just war criteria, and even
some on the right-wing end of the political spectrum have
judged it to be a war crime under U.S. law.
As this
indicates, the situation is, to say the least, problematic from the point of
view of just war theory. Some readers
might be surprised that I would think so, since a few months ago I argued in an
article at Postliberal Order
that military action against drug cartels could be just. But there are several crucial differences
between the sort of scenario I described there and what is going on now with
respect to Venezuela. First, the targets
I had in view were not merely criminals guilty of running drugs, but violent
thugs guilty of actions that really can plausibly be described as “terrorist,” such
as political assassination and the murder of civilians as a means of securing
control over territory. Second, I was
envisaging military action aimed at taking out the specific individuals
carrying out or ordering such acts, rather than some expansive program of
regime change. Third, I noted that such
action would have to be carried out using only morally acceptable means of
warfare. Fourth, I also noted that
alternatives to military intervention would have to be tried first.
Let’s
consider the current situation in light of the just war doctrine developed by
thinkers like Thomas Aquinas, which holds that for military action to be
justifiable, it must meet four criteria: first, it must be in the service of a just cause; second, it must be carried
out by lawful authority; third, this
authority must have the right intention;
and fourth, the war must be fought using only right means. Each of these
calls for elaboration:
1. Just cause: Part of what this first criterion
requires is that a war must be fought for a legitimate end. As to what sort of end would be legitimate,
the just war tradition came to hold that it could only be the defense of some
right violated by the nation against which the war is fought. Naturally, repelling aggression would be an
example, since for one nation to aggress against another is for it to violate
the rights of the victim nation. But
other aims too can count as the defense of a right, and in theory, even some of
the ends sought by the Trump administration could count as the defense of a
right. For example, it can in principle
be legitimate to fight a war in order to stop drug trafficking, since drug
trafficking violates the rights of the nation into which drugs are being
trafficked. And it can in principle be
legitimate to fight a war to liberate the people of a nation from an oppressive
government, since such a government violates its own citizens’ rights.
The trouble
is that having a legitimate end in view is only a necessary condition for having a just cause for war, not a sufficient condition. The just cause condition includes other
elements as well. For one thing, going
to war must be a proportionate
response to the rights violation. For
example, suppose an enemy nation had killed a handful of American
citizens. It would be absurd to use this
as a pretext to launch a full-scale war likely to result in tens of thousands
of casualties on both sides. That would
be massively out of proportion to the harm being remedied.
There must
also be reasonable hope for success. War is extremely destructive and can easily
spiral out of control, so that it should never be entered into without strong
grounds for thinking that the desired outcome can be realized. And it must be realized in a way that does
not bring about even greater evils than the ones the war is a response to.
The war must
also be fought only as a last resort. That is to say, it must be clear that the
ends the war is meant to secure cannot be realized short of war.
Finally, the
“just cause” criterion requires not only that the goal of a war is just, but
also that it must be known to be just. That is to say, it’s not good enough if
someone, somewhere might be able to cobble together some plausible rationale
for the war. The public authorities
taking a nation to war must themselves actually have such a worked out
rationale for it.
When all of
these aspects of the “just cause” condition are considered, it is clear that
the Trump administration has not met it, at least not yet. For example, it has not shown that a regime
change war is a proportionate response to the evils it seeks to remedy. Indeed, some of the administration’s rhetoric
seems clearly either uninformed or dishonest.
Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem has
claimed that destroying the cocaine carried on Venezuelan drug boats
has “saved hundreds of millions of lives.”
In reality, fewer
than 30,000 people die of cocaine overdose in the U.S. each year,
and most of this cocaine comes from countries
other than Venezuela. Some
have also tried to connect Venezuela with the fentanyl trade, but in
reality fentanyl is linked with China and Mexico rather than
Venezuela (as even one of Trump’s closest political allies has
emphasized).
Nor is it
clear that a regime change war would remedy rather than exacerbate some of the
problems the administration is trying to address. For example, such a war could generate a
refugee crisis that would add to, rather than decrease, the number of
immigrants trying to enter the U.S. And
as recent American military history has dramatically shown, attempts at regime
change often yield results very different from those intended.
Nor has the
administration made clear why actions short of war would not suffice to realize
the ends it seeks to achieve. Indeed,
the administration has made no clear and coherent case at all for war with
Venezuela (let alone a just war case for it), so that it can hardly be said
that its cause for war is known to be
just.
2. Lawful authority: As the just war tradition
emphasizes, having a good end in view is by no means sufficient for a war’s
being just. For not everyone has the
right to resort to war as a means to realize such an end. In particular, private individuals do not
have that right. Only public authorities
have it.
Now, in the
American system, the power to authorize war lies with Congress. That is why, as already noted, even
presidents keen to act unilaterally often seek some kind of congressional
approval, at least where large-scale or prolonged military actions are
concerned. For a president to make war
altogether independently of Congress is thus contrary to the rule of law. It is analogous to acting on his own behalf,
as a private individual would do, rather than as an agent of the lawful public
authority (which is what a president is when acting as commander-in-chief in a
congressionally authorized war). And as
I noted above, it will not do to pretend that the administration’s actions
against Venezuela are somehow legitimized by Congress’s authorization of
military action against terrorists.
It seems
clear, then, that the administration has also not met the second, “lawful
authority” condition for a just war, at least not yet.
3. Right intention: The just war tradition insists that
even when there is a just cause for war, and the justice of this cause is
known, a war will still be unjust if this cause is not the true motivation for
which the war is being fought. For
example, if there is a clear morally legitimate cause for a war, but the public
authorities who publicly appeal to that cause in fact secretly have some other
and illegitimate reason for going to war (such as the prospect of financial
gain, or of personal glory) the war will be morally tainted.
In the
present case, some have suggested that a motivation for war with Venezuela is
to get access to its oil. At least one
GOP lawmaker has indicated as much, though others
have cast doubt on this idea.
Given Trump’s extreme egotism, it is also not unreasonable to wonder
whether he sees a war with Venezuela as a way to make his mark on history. But that is speculation, and it would be
unwise to put much emphasis on it given the points already made. Even if we were to concede that there is no strong
reason to doubt that a conflict with Venezuela would meet the “right intention”
criterion for a just war, that does not change the fact that it has not been
shown to meet the first two criteria.
4. Right means: Just war doctrine holds that even if
fought for a just cause, by lawful authority, and with a right intention, a war
can still be unjust if immoral means are deployed in waging it. Among the requirements of this fourth
condition, the one most relevant for present purposes is the imperative to
avoid deliberate attacks on non-combatants.
The Trump
administration’s dubious attempt to stretch the definition of “terrorism” to
rationalize attacks on drug boats gives serious grounds for doubt about whether
a war with Venezuela would meet this condition.
So too does the incident in which men already rendered helpless by one
strike were deliberately killed in a follow-up attack. Narcotics trafficking is gravely evil, but
those engaged in it are not per se
terrorists, nor are they in any other way relevantly like combatants in a
military conflict. To be sure, the
paramilitary forces some drug cartels have made use of can plausibly be regarded as legitimate military targets, but it is
sophistry to pretend that this entails that just anyone associated with drug
running somehow counts as a combatant.
It is also true that a case can be made that drug kingpins are worthy of
the death penalty, but what that would justify is execution after due process
of law, not indiscriminate firing upon anyone suspected of involvement in the
drug trade.
Hence, if
the Trump administration does not confine attacks to military targets and
continues to blur the distinction between combatants and non-combatants, it is
hard to see how a war with Venezuela could meet the fourth, “right means”
criterion of just war doctrine.
Given the unique gravity of war and the potential unforeseen harms of even justifiable military actions, the burden of proof is always on those who want to go to war, not on those who recommend against doing so. That burden can sometimes be met, but the Trump administration has so far failed to meet it.


"And as recent American military history has dramatically shown, attempts at regime change often yield results very different from those intended"
ReplyDeleteOne surprisingly neglected point related to this is that , Venezuela has very strict laws regarding abortion and they constitutionally define marriage as between one man and one woman.
Any US attempt at regime change probably results in them allowing radical feminists to run riot resulting in the destruction of million unborn lives as well some radical redefinition of marriage effectively turning it into California.
The pro-choice mob always conveniently forgets that most other countries (including supposedly "socialist" countries like Venezuela) have less permissive abortion laws than the US did under Roe v. Wade. Not that this should necessarily be a deal-breaker—I hope, at least, the US wouldn't oppose democratic regime change in a corrupt and authoritarian state just because it might result in a loosening of abortion laws. That's just the logic of the Cold War applied to a different issue.
DeleteThis is neglected because it is a purely political point only relevant to people of your specific political leanings. The vast majority of Americans don't care.
DeleteHuh...what? The fuck kind of point are you trying to make? Genuinely, even leaving aside the morality of abortion, what point are you trying to make? Most Leftists are pretty well aware that other countries are conservative, and from their point of view I don't see why that should bother them. They'd just regard it as more work to do. Why SHOULD it bother them?
DeleteAnon who Cussed
DeleteThe point is that precisely because those are worse evils to contend with, any regime change operation would most likely result in greater evils then the one's that the operation seeked to remedy. And thus wouldn't satisfy just war criteria.
Question, for personal clarification. (I should have asked a colleague who was teaching just war theory many years ago, but didn't.) On the face of it,
ReplyDeletethe "lawful authority" criterion seems to rule out revolutionary wars by definition: a popular uprising to depose a tyrant can't be directed by a lawful authority, since the tyrant is the only government in the vicinity. Is this right, or does just war theory provide (maybe through some subtle distinctions about what constitutes lawful authority?) have the resources to get around it. (Of course, the track record of revolutions in leading to new tyrannies suggests that the criteria for a "just revolution theory" ought to be pretty restrictive.)
I suppose that the government would lose its "lawful authority" if it went against natural law. Of course it is a tricky matter to identify the extent of the violation of natural law that makes a government "unjust", but we can imagine that an oppressive regime that severely restricts citizens' fundamental rights and commits brutalities against its own population would fall into that category.
DeleteI agree with you that this sets a pretty restrictive criterium for "just revolution theory". Whether the current government of Venezuela is "unjust" and against natural law: I don't know, I guess it's debatable.
Far too strict, I would say. This ruleset makes it all but impossible to ever legitimately rebel against an abusive authority. But then, i shouldn't be surprised that a legal theory emanating from the Medieval Church would privilege the powerful over the poor.
DeleteRisible. Aquinas was quite clear that rebellions could be justified. The Church has always opposed absolutism.
Delete"The Church has always opposed absolutism"
DeleteAh yes, just like it's always opposed slavery, right? Please. The Church was practically married to the Ancien Régime and spent the entire 19th century loudly condemning anyone who so much as tried to acquire liberty. Have you forgotten how we supported Franco and Salazar with our whole hearts? Ever since the Church got into bed with the Roman Empire it's been sucking up to power, except when it was trying to exert dominance over that power for itself.
That’s a good point, but if you consider some of the major revolutions in history, it’s not always an insurmountable burden. It’s why the Declaration of Independence, for example, takes great pains to explain why the British government against which the Americans were revolting was no longer the legitimate governing authority. In the French revolution, the national assembly and later the national convention had a claim (though in my opinion not the strongest one) to be the legitimate governing authority of France. Likewise with Parliament in the English Civil War. On the other hand, something like the Russian Revolution was more clearly a straight coup d’état and harder to justify. As Dr. Feser said with just war, the burden of proof is high, but not impossible to meet.
ReplyDeleteI don't even think the Russian Revolution is a straightforward case. Nicholas II had led his country into a blatantly unjust war (its secret annexationist war aims make this clear) and had abdicated in favor of his brother, who'd refused the throne. This effectively left Russia without a "lawful authority" beyond the Duma, so it made sense to establish a provisional government made up of cabinet ministers and Duma deputies. It was that government that was then overthrown by the Bolsheviks in a coup d’état several months later, although even in that case it could be argued that it was the Bolsheviks' aims (establishing a one-party dictatorship on Marxist lines) rather than the act of overthrowing the government that was the real problem, since the provisional government exercised little real authority and wasn't doing much to resolve the crisis that brought them into power in the first place.
DeleteReally, the problem is that the concept of "lawful authority" is hard to cash out in concrete historical terms, because most lawful authorities originally came to power through unlawful means (the Roman emperors, even the "good" ones, being a case in point) and the very concept of "lawfulness" changes over time: most modern governments would be illegitimate according to the political theory of the regime(s) they replaced, since they lack absolute monarchs or a divine mandate. I don't think this is fatal to Christian Just War Theory; it just needs to be clarified. Presumably a lawful authority must (as Raffaele suggested) conform to some minimum standard of natural law, such as providing justice and allowing for humans to fulfill their natural ends through religion, family, craft, etc. This would rule out most totalitarian regimes and provide an external standard for evaluating a revolutionary government.
"Harder to justify"? The Russian Tsars had been oppressing their people for centuries, and repeatedly frustrating any attempt at liberalization despite that clearly being the popular will. Oh wait, I forgot I'm here deep in the land of Monarchists...
DeleteWell said, Jon. I would add that Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado is making the case for the justice of toppling the Maduro regime very eloquently. And she is applauding President Trump's actions.
DeleteReally? Oh, please. Does this REALLY matter to you, or are you just puffing her up because she's flattering the Trump regime? It's not hard to understand why she might support the actions of someone who's materially aided her.
DeleteI really want the quick end of the Maduro regime; if that happens I could not care less whether Trump gets credit for it or not. Do you want the quick end of the Maduro regime?
DeleteJust another war.
ReplyDeleteWell, there is the oil thing. And a current administration leaning towards colonization. Given those considerations, I'd say notions around a "just" war are a smoke screen. The US CEO has an agenda, but not sense enough to understand it is impractical. Someone needs to persuade him otherwise, but, it is unwise to be his enemy. Joe Biden poses no perceivable threat. But, the CEO won't leave him alone. You figure that. I already have.
ReplyDeleteThe reason Trump continues to lambast Joe Biden is to remind American voters of just how bad things had gotten under his administration. He has a mid-term election coming up, which has historically been difficult for the party in power. With all the criticism Trump takes, his attacks on Biden are a way of reminding people that their lives are better and will get increasingly better if his party retains the House and Senate. He knows that if he loses the House, he will get no legislation passed. Anything he accomplishes will be by executive order exclusively. As we have seen, EOs are only effective as long as the president's party retains the presidency.
DeleteIt looks increasingly pathetic and desperate to keep blaming Biden the longer and longer he's been out of power. Besides, Trump has measurably made the economy worse while telling lies about it (repeatedly insisting that prices are down generally, or at least emphasising only the few things that have gone down and ignoring the bad).
DeleteI say this as contra Biden rather than for Trump, but critique of US Imperialism would apply very much to Biden's involvement in the Ukraine (as prior US involvement under Obama--none of this of course means Putin is a good man nor Russia without Imperialist leanings).
DeleteI'm not a fan of either Biden or Obama (Obama was prone to illegal drone strikes and Biden was vigorously supportive of Israel), but you'll need to be much more specific if you want to claim that anything either of them did in Ukraine counts as Imperialism. Helping Ukraine defend itself from invasion is not Imperialism, it's anti-Imperialism. Insinuating American business interests into Ukraine is unwelcome and could be considered a form of economic imperialism, I'll grant, and I'm sure that if they did achieve independence, they probably would use that power to squeeze the Ukrainian working class, so fair enough on that. Graft and corruption for personal benefit is also bad, we both agree, but it's not Imperialism. As to Obama, I can't think of anything he did that would count as imperialism towards Ukraine, unless you buy the Kremlin line that the Euromaidan protests were a CIA scheme. Personally, though, if the Kremlin put out a public statement that the sky was blue, I'd look up.
DeleteCoercively intervening in the politics of a foreign nation to advance one's own geopolitical and material influences would count as Imperialism in my book. There's a matter of intention here as well--providing support against an ostensive aggressor or toppling a dictator might be done with above aim in mind, rather than due to the evils of the situation for that country (Iraq War being the famous example, also much of US involvement in South America during the Cold War).
DeleteI would consider it almost impossible that US assets had not at least passively supported the Euromaiden protests for their own advantage (this doesn't mean that Yanukovych wasn't backed up by Russia, or that he or Putin were in any way good people).
I would say more generally that the Post-Cold War G.H. Bush "Global Hegemony" stance to American foreign politics is generally a form of Imperialism. Why should the president of one country style himself "World-Leader" or "Leader of the Free World?" The latter literally has shades of Caesar claiming to be "Defender of the Republic." My major gripe with Trump is that he didn't take the Isolationist stance and in consequence a "not a buck till peace buddy" line with Israel and Ukraine.
Agreed that much of American foreign policy throughout history has been various shades of imperialism. Aiding Ukraine with strings attached could indeed be considered a kind of imperalism, but in this case I'd argue that it's still better than the alternative, because Russian Imperialism would be immeasurably worse. Of course, the morally correct thing to do would be to aid Ukraine without using it as an opportunity to exploit them. On top of that, regardless of how rotten or cynical American aid might have been, it's clear that the Ukrainians overwhelmingly don't want to be part of Russia, so I consider helping them to avoid that to be good, even if it's vitiated by the impurity of American motives.
DeleteI don't consider "passive support" of Euromaidan to be a problem. Of course they supported it, anyone would support a political movement aligned with their views and there's nothing wrong with that. The accusation is that it was not "real", or that it was to some substantial degree a foreign fabrication rather than a real expression of the Ukrainian people's will.
For what it's worth, this sort of claim is a common one from the Kremlin. To take just one example, they allege that Ukraine itself was a creation of Austria, which is a gross oversimplification of the truth. In reality, Austria hosted and supported exiled Ukrainian nationalists in the part of Ukraine that they controlled. It's true that they did this for cynical reasons, hoping to use them as a tool to weaken Russia. However, the nationalists and their beliefs were genuine, they truly did believe in Ukrainian nationhood and were not foreign plants. For comparison, this would be like claiming that the Soviet Union was a German puppet state because Germany sent Lenin back into Russia to cause trouble. Technically correct, but misleading.
Insinuating American business interests into Ukraine is unwelcome and could be considered a form of economic imperialism...Of course, the morally correct thing to do would be to aid Ukraine without using it as an opportunity to exploit them.
DeleteThe "morally correct thing"...absent economic and political realities, perhaps. Ukraine is a virtually landlocked nation half a world away from us and bordering the historically hegemonic Russia. If the US wants to have ANY kind of "sphere of influence" in the western hemisphere, even a wholesome version (please note the hypothetical "if" there), it cannot plausibly deny Russia something of the sort over there. And the US will always have trouble carrying through effective military aid that far away if Russia were to get serious about interdicting the use of the Atlantic for materiel transport.
The US has no absolute moral obligation to solve Ukraine's difficult problem for them, to get involved in a foreign war. We have something of a remote interest in their freedom. However, if we had a much more serious economic interest through increased business ties (like mined ore for important metals), then we would have a more serious reason to get directly involved. While it is true that "economic interests" can be inserted in an unjust and imperialistic manner, they are not always unjust. It's no easy thing specifying a "fair" price for goods under wartime threats against any infrastructure we might build to get them.
It could well be the case that it is not a just war according to traditional just war theory but that it brings about good consequences for the people of Venezuela. As part of a larger theater in realigning the Americas (Bolivia, Argentina, Honduras, Chile), it can bring greater prosperity and wellbeing to the entire Western hemisphere. Should this happen, we should rejoice (even if Trump's intentions were more for his own glory).
ReplyDeleteAnyone who endorses a form of Just War theory, whether outlined herein or different, will reject justification based on consequences alone.
DeleteWhat gives America the right to "realign the Americas" in the first place? They are independent peoples with their own right to self-determination. Subordinating their freedom to your interests is classic Imperialist "spheres of influence" logic. If you advance this line of thinking, you are supporting American Imperialism.
DeleteOn the above claim one would guess because it brings 'greater prosperity and well-being"--if one claims a right to self-determination trumps all such concerns then it's a step away from Consequentialism. I would say though that such non-interventionist arguments would also apply very sharply to US and other national involvement in the Ukraine, especially in proxy actions which target Russian non-combatants.
DeleteNational leaders try to influence elections in other nations all the time. Zelensky tried to influence the 2024 election as did Keir Starmer. Obama tried to influence Brexit. Why should Trump be different? In any case, my concern was NOT that Bolivia, Chile etc be more aligned with the U.S.A but that they have a less Marxist form of government and that would help them. You may have a different view of Marxism than I do.
DeleteOK, well, I'll give this one try to explain the mistakes you've made before I stop bothering.
DeleteFirst, none of the countries you have listed are "Marxist" in any meaningful sense. Venezuela is a (poorly-managed and corrupt) democratic socialist country, Chile is a much more functional democratic socialist country. Bolivia is a social democracy, which is not the same thing. The fact that you slap the label "Marxist" onto anything vaguely socialist or left-leaning shows that you are either ignorant of very basic facts or dishonest. If I had to guess, I would assume that you are simply regurgitating Red Scare propaganda that you uncritically absorbed in your youth.
Secondly, the idea that it is moral to unilaterally impose your will on other sovereign nations just because you will "make them rich" or "improve them" in some way reeks of disgusting imperial arrogance. This is quite literally just a repackaging of the White Man's Burden, and if you have no problem with that then all I have to say to you is that it's obvious you come from a country that has never felt the yoke of colonialism. My ancestors suffered eight hundred years of violence, oppression, and exploitation under this kind of rhetoric, and we know from grim experience that it is the blackest villainy. Dismiss our lived experience at your own risk; lest you end being harshly judged by history.
Thirdly, you make a great number of ludicrous comparisons. Making a statement to influence a foreign election may be unwelcome, but is wildly incomparable to violent regime change. It is like trying to say that it is against the rules both to shove a member of an opposing basketball team and to shoot him - technically you are not wrong, but to suggest that the two are in any way equivalent is absurd. It is also absurd to claim that helping Ukraine defend themselves against a foreign invader is equivalent to violently imposing your will on others, unless you believe that Russia has a right to conquer other countries. One is preventing a country from crushing a nation's right to self-determination, the other is doing the crushing yourself. They are complete opposites.
Here's my final response to your last statement. In the America of today, 47 million people suffer from food insecurity, leading to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of deaths by malnutrition. 770,000 people are homeless. Over a third of your population struggles to afford healthcare, with about 10-11% being totally unable to afford it. Your youths are increasingly hopeless, incapable of finding work. Even if they can find a job, you have the poorest worker protections of any First World country, with employers having extreme leverage over their workers. The wealth of the working and middle classes has stagnated even as productivity and upper class wealth has skyrocketed. All this dysfunction causes immense human suffering and unnecessary deaths, and is unquestionably the product of your economic system. Yet for some reason, you don't blame the system for it. Despite this, you have no problem identifying the systemic problems of Venezuela for its many woes. Why this double standard? Could it be that someone has an interest in making sure that you never have that thought? I don't want America to be destroyed, or even made Marxist. I want it to be made less capitalist and believe that would help them. You may have a different view of capitalism than I do.
Exe,
DeleteYou obviously have a very different position regarding socialism/Marxism than does Ed (and many others on this blog). My intended audience was for those on this blog who think that Maria Corina Pachado or Edmundo Gonzales would have been a MUCH better leader than Maduro has been, and who regard the election in 2024 has having been stolen from Gonzales. In my opinion, Machado is something of a Vaclav Havel character, and I do regard the Havel government much better than its socialist predecessor in Czechoslovakia. I regard the overthrow of the socialist/Marxist regime in Romania as being a good thing too. I regard the recent elections in Bolivia as being positive, and the recent elections in Argentina likewise.
Just war theory holds that very good consequences alone cannot justify a war. The corollary to this is the following: actions that are not just according to just war theory may still have very good consequences. Ed's worries about some of Trump's past actions did not come to pass (the other postliberals mentioned by Norm who view Trump's policies--though not his intentions--more positively seem to be right on this). Machado may very well be right that Trump's actions were necessary and that a positive outcome for Venezuelans (whose miserable "lived experiences" are very relevant) soon awaits. Surely we should pray for a swift and peaceful end to Maduro's regime.
DeleteA few clarifying comments. In my view, Trump's pardon of a previous Honduras President was wrong (as was his pardon of Henry Cuellar). If there was an order to "kill any survivors" that was also clearly wrong. I am not an Imperialist--the Bible is critical of all human Empires and the biblical plan is for nations. I do not desire the return of the Holy Roman Empire. I am against white superiority and strongly oppose the likes of Nick Fuentes. But I am also against critical race theory, poststructuralism and this includes most postcolonial theory, the notion that men are automatically oppressors, that white people need to acknowledge their privilege etc. I highly endorse Ed's book attacking critical race theory.
DeleteSo, your responses to my points amount to:
Delete-Socialism bad
-*Maybe* an act of brutal imperialism will turn out for the better somehow!
-No response to my criticism of American capitalism
I was hoping for better. But there is still one thing I think could be gained by talking, just out of curiosity. Let me tease out some of these beliefs you say you have. If you aren't interested in responding to what I said before, can you answer these problems instead?
-Define "nation".
-Explain how it is that so many of your own fellow travelers align with Nick Fuentes, if in fact your belief system is not truly racist.
-Explain "white privilege", as far as you understand the term.
EXE,
DeleteEd has given numerous posts defending the superiority of the free market system (however imperfectly it is conducted in the USA which allows large corporations to affect legislation which unfortunately make it harder for small businesses) over socialism. You may disagree.
The Old Testament gives an empirical definition of nations (Hebrew goi'im) by listing examples such as Egypt, Libya, Edom, Moab, Ammon, Aram etc. God intended for there to be such nations and they have present day analogues.
Nick Fuentes believes in the superiority of the white race--I do not. I heartily endorse Ed's book All One in Christ: A Catholic Critique of Racism and Critical Race Theory. Fuentes may be a Catholic but the views he espouses are opposite to Catholicism and to Christianity as a whole. Regarding how "white privilege" has been used as a term to make white people guilty for their skin color, see Ed's book.
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DeleteA clear example of how much I differ from Nick Fuentes would be my appreciation of works such as "Reading while Black: African American Biblical Interpretation as an Exercise in Hope" by Esau McCaulley, "How Africa Shaped the Christian Mind" by Thomas C. Oden, and "Black Lives Matter to Jesus: The Salvation of Black Life and All Life in Luke and Acts" by Marcus Jerkins. I own all three of those books, all of which Nick Fuentes and crew would hate. What I am strongly against is the ideology in works such as "I Bring the Voices of My People" by Chanequa Walker-Barnes and "Womanist Midrash" by Wilda C. Gafney. These have chapters like "The Unbearable Whiteness of Being," sections headed "Racism is White Supremacy .... Period" and defenses of "Israel's maligned queens" such as Jezebel and Athaliah who are treated as heroic people of color. Students from elementary school through doctoral programs have been made to feel guilty of the crime of being white or being Anglo-Saxon or being male etc. It is the ubiquity of that vile ideology that has led many to being "adjacent" to Nick Fuentes. I hope this helps.
Wow. I didn't expect much from this conversation, but now it's been decisively proven that I'm wasting my time here. I asked YOU for answers, not Ed! You don't get to just deflect and say "read this other guy's book!". If you've understood the material, restate it yourself - otherwise it's not your belief at all! It's also groan-inducing for you to thump your Bible in lieu of providing an argument. This is intellectual sloth and cowardice, trying to outsource your thinking yet again. It makes your nationalist project theological instead of political, and makes it completely unpersuasive to anyone who doesn't already share your exact theology.
Delete"Look guys, I'm not racist! I like all these books about how Christianity is important to Black people, just like it is to me! Just so long as they don't dare to challenge me or make me uncomfortable with their lived experience of being second class citizens, and those no-good WOMEN keep their mouths shut."
DeleteIt seems like you only care about Black people as an accessory to your brand of Christianity. I'll grant you that Nick Fuentes wouldn't even go as far as that, so you aren't identical. But you show no evidence of being aware of the horror of the situation that Black Americans go through. Racism and racial discrimination didn't disappear when they were made illegal. The institutions, beliefs, and worldviews built to reinforce racial hierarchies persisted and adapted, and continue to harm Black people in America to this day. White people do not face anything comparable, the right-wing media machine has just convinced you otherwise. If you don't believe me, try actually asking a Black person about it. There's no shortage of them ready to disabuse you of your illusions.
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Delete"It seems like you only care about Black people as an accessory to your brand of Christianity.... You show no evidence of being aware of the horror of the situation that Black Americans go through." Esau McCaulley and Marcus Jerkins say much about the racism and racial discrimination that didn't disappear when they were made illegal. I believe that you would agree with a great deal of what they say. Why don't you read their work before you dismiss it as an accessory to my brand of Christianity? You might like it. Further, I have critiqued institutions and systems that disadvantage black people. One example is Social Security. It is structured such that black people, because they don't live as long, receive less out of it than white people and Asians do. I have advocated for fixing this by adjusting according to demographic group. Black people are also disadvantaged by our education system and I have advocated for fixing this. Where on earth do you get the idea that I think that women should keep their mouths shut? Past generations of feminist biblical scholars did NOT view Jezebel and Athaliah as heroic, because their actions were evil. And surely you do not agree that "Racism is White Superiority Period." If you do agree with that, then you are the racist.
Not to mention that the US just seized a Venezuelan oil tanker in international waters with a country they're not formally at war with. If I'm not mistaken, that more or less counts as piracy, or something very similar.
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DeleteYou do realize that it was the oil tanker that was closer to committing the act of piracy, don't you? It was part of a "dark fleet" carrying oil illegally under a false flag--it flew the Guyana flag but it was not authorized from Guyana. On this occasion, the USA went through the legal process before boarding the tanker.
Hmm. I see, it seems that the situation was more complicated than I initially thought. OK, you get this one.
DeleteDr. Feser, You must a large library of theology and philosophy manuals. In the Science of Ethics by Cronin, Vol.2, Chp. XIX, pg.669, he makes the same points as the in books you just tweeted about..
ReplyDeleteMy apologies if this is too far from the topic, but has Ed wrote on the relation of Just War to sanctions and restrictions which directly target a nation’s civilians? (as opposed to end up effecting them in a secondary manner as per the Principle of Double Effect)
ReplyDeleteThe USA has a long history of interfering with the governments of Central America:
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America
Back in the 1980s we often replaced Marxist regimes with totalitarian regimes, which gave rise to some of the brutal right wing thug dictators in the those countries.
Precisely. But American history books pretty much completely leave out anything like that, because it's easier and more comfortable to just whitewash your crimes than to face them.
DeleteMaduro has been starving the population of Venezuela and he commited a clear fraud in the last election, those are the real reasons. He's continuing the way of government of Hugo Chavez, they've been destroying the country for 26 years. If Trump gets to change the regime, it will improve the life of all good venezuelans. If he gets oil, it's a reasonable trade for saving a country from the misery of the current dictatorship. Venezuela has suffered enough.
ReplyDeleteNo, whether you think these are valid reasons or not, they are obviously not the real reasons. Do you honestly believe for one second that Donald Trump gives a shit about the wellbeing of the Venezuelan people? Everything he's done so far reeks of malignant narcissism. The man only seems to relate to other people in a transactional way.
DeleteYes. This post is quite true. In fact, the violence created in Catholic Hispanic countries by gangs working to satisfy the United States demand for cocaine has caused many more deaths than those at the user end of this US-centred trade. Trump will reduce the US military to one more gang fighting in Spanish America. Too bad for WASPs. The US will become part of "the region" forever if it takes this course.
ReplyDeletethe burden of proof is always on those who want to go to war, not on those who recommend against doing so. That burden can sometimes be met, but the Trump administration has so far failed to meet it.
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To all appearances, the United States is preparing for war with Venezuela
Ummm…ya might be a little cautious here. Only last June you seemed pretty sure that Trump’s threats against the leader of Iran, and his assertions, and “demand” for unconditional surrender, amounted to an intent to wage unjust war on Iran, and to effect regime change, and so on, and, well, that kind of fizzled out to Iran basically pro forma protesting against our bombing of their nuclear program and then everyone stepping back from brinksmandship. The bombing didn’t result in regime change, it didn’t result in “unconditional surrender”, it didn’t destroy Tehran, and it did achieve the primary purpose of eliminating (for now) Iran’s ability to build The Bomb. It may have been unjust for all that, but it wasn’t the first salvo of an all out war. Maybe Iran could have used it to declare war, but they didn’t - which Trump counted on.
Trump is famous for fatuous and exaggerated bluster, both at home and abroad. He makes “threats” that are ridiculous and he never intendes to act on, some of them are obvious, some of them…just a little less so. He “demands” foreign leaders do things, and never acts on such demands. Is this immoral? Yes: lying is always wrong. Is it unjust war? No, clearly not. Is it imprudent? Very likely yes.
There has been no congressional authorization for such a war, though this is required by the Constitution. True, modern U.S. presidents have not much respected the spirit of this restriction. Now, in the American system, the power to authorize war lies with Congress... That is why, as already noted, even presidents keen to act unilaterally often seek some kind of congressional approval, at least where large-scale or prolonged military actions are concerned.
The “power to declare war” lies with Congress alone. However, “war” is a murky term in the modern world. Under the 1973 War Powers Resolution, the president can deploy military in an action, notify Congress within 48 hours, and then has 60 days to get Congressional approval or pull back. Congress took this step in negative reaction to the Korean and Vietnam adventures, undeclared wars that did require national mobilization. While it is arguable that the War Powers Resolution undermines the intent of the Constitution, the courts have not taken that view. There’s room to argue “declare war” as meant in the Constitution does not need to describe smaller-scale, isolated actions that don’t require national mobilization, need to be carried out on the quiet and immediately, etc. Congress clearly considered the differences. Presidents have used this law since, from Ford (Cambodia), Reagan (Beirut, Grenada), Clinton (Kosovo), to Obama (Libya). To insinuate that they have “not much respected the spirit of this restriction” is to ignore that Congress acted expressly to rein in out-of-control presidents getting us into war, but STILL left them room to operate on limited actions. It is sophistry to pretend that these presidents were known to be acting outside of law.
Ah, the old Pontius Pilate Defense. "What is war?" Politically convenient? Yes. Christian? Nope.
DeleteTo be sure, the administration’s emphasis has been on the claim that the drug runners they have been targeting are “terrorists.” And it seems that the administration is operating under the assumption that military attacks on these people are therefore legal given congressional authorization, after 9/11, for the use of military force against terrorists. But as Andrew McCarthy has argued, such a defense is specious, because drug trafficking simply does not fit the definition of “terrorism” under federal law.
ReplyDeleteThe federal definition of terrrorism has the following:
Violent, criminal acts: The activity must involve acts dangerous to human life that violate U.S. or state criminal laws.
Specific intent: The acts must appear intended to achieve one of the following:
• Intimidate or coerce a civilian population.
• Influence government policy by intimidation or coercion.
• Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping
Here are the kinds of things that put cartels at least within plausible range of this definition: they threaten judges and kidnap members of their families to get acquittals; they threaten juries and their families. They murder witnesses so that they cannot testify. They sometimes bribe all of the above. They bribe or threaten prison guards and officials to look the other way when they intimidate or murder other prisoners. That all occurs in the US. In other countries like Columbia, Mexico, etc, they do all this AND MORE: they terrorize local civilians into working for them by threatening their families; they lean on government officials to push through laws that enfeeble the police or interfere with international agreements. They throw money into campaigns of politicians they can control (through bribes, extortion, and intimidation) to help their cause.
These are not your local drug pusher with 10 hits of cocaine as his “stash”. It is sheer sophistry to project the idea that Trump’s use of the “terrorist” label on drug cartels is MERELY because they “terrorized” American families by making drugs available to their teen kids.
Based on these factors, it is plausible that the last 3 presidents had sufficient basis to declare the cartels to be terrorist organizations under the above definition, the earlier presidents didn’t choose to do it merely out of some policy elevating other goals, and now Trump thinks better policy dictates going ahead with such determination. It would make direct military action against them lawful if other conditions are met. If the Venezuelan government with explicit knowledge and by policy allows the cartels to operate from Venezuela because (a) they like the money it brings in, and (b) they like the damage to US social fabric and the consequent diminution of US government reach, would this constitute just cause of military action against the terrorists on Venezuelan soil? That’s the harder question to investigate. We thought it did in the case of Al Qaeda and Afghanistan.
While Prof. Feser rightly addresses some of the critical issues, he misses on others. It is definitely the case that the Trump administration has not yet made a good case for a just war against Venezuela itself. Yet it is more probable that (a) Trump’s real object is cartels merely using Venezuelan support, and (b) he has no true war in mind against Venezuela as such. But he wouldn’t mind bringing down the socialist dictator indirectly through making war against the cartels, and the ramifications that follow. Trump wouldn't need just cause of war against Venezuela but against cartels operating from Venezuela.
Who needs ethics and reality when one can just wish cast it away with supposition. Good examples above and below. “Let’s suppose” then let’s assert later “there is” w/o ever providing evidence and voila, we can just make it up as we go - like the admin is doing.
DeleteLet's presume for a second that reliable intel existed which showed how the illegitimate president Maduro planned to infiltrate the U.S. with tens of thousands of military-aged men with violent, criminal backgrounds, and how the illegal drug trade (not to mention the open-border policies of the previous administration) merely provided the tide which easily carried such men – and Maduro's objectives – to shore (so to speak). Maduro's major objective is to maintain and grow his own power in his own region. But his success depends largely on a non-adversarial America. His guerillas have therefore been ordered to use violence and intimidation to seize "control" of both criminal and geographic territory in the U.S., the primary objective being to increase Venezuela's share of the illegal drug trade, and the secondary objective being to cause unrest – and in the era of Trump, retribution – which will only generate sympathy for Maduro's political will and increase support for allies in the U.S who will further enable him. There is in fact a mountain of evidence which would support such intel. And I, for one, would call the activity terrorism even if zero lives had ever been lost due to the prevalence of Venezuelan cocaine.
ReplyDeleteNow, let's presume that the intel doesn't exist at all. What exactly would change? You still have tens of thousands of military-aged Venezuelan men with violent, criminal backgrounds who have entered the U.S. illegally. You still have gangs of Venezuelans "terrorizing" neighborhoods and violently engaging in the illegal drug trade. You still have Venezuelan boats scrambling towards the U.S. like missiles with warheads that do political damage even when they fail to do societal damage. You still have an illegitimate Venezuelan president who is clearly hungry for power and bent on pitting his political will against that of a democratically elected U.S. president. You still have a destabilizing Venezuela that is exerting pressure on the U.S., that isn't respecting the U.S.'s borders, and that presently has and continues to put far more boots on U.S. soil than the U.S. has or is putting on its soil.
I'm not sure why Ed feels it's appropriate, therefore, to limit his perspective on the situation with Venezuela to drugs and some saber rattling and then base a claim that an actual war with Venezuela would be unjust on his perspective. I'm (probably clearly) nothing like an expert on international politics, military strategy, or current affairs, but I expect I've taken much better stock of the situation than he has. And I'm not saying that if I have then it follows that a war with Venezuela would be just. But I do think the issue is far beyond Trump's ego (a rather obnoxious implication), that the U.S. is justified both in its use of the "terrorism" label (even if it must be qualified with "suspected") and in its use of force, and that Ed could do a way better job of "steel-manning" the idea of an actual war with Venezuela being just.
Imagine if another country tried to stem the tide of gun-running - which is primarily driven by the US- and began indiscriminately murdering people in American waters they declared gun smugglers. The only reason no country will respond in kind to these egregious murders is Power, nothing to do with right or wrong. The US is doing this because it can; because it is led by a vicious man, immoral man voted in by 77M+ just as terrible human beings. It is blatant evil, no amount of legal judo or sophistry is going to change that.
ReplyDeleteIf the total cultural defeat of American Christianity and Catholicism in the American continent is the end result of this presidency, maybe it will be some solace for the rest of the world having to deal with the terrible hypocrisy of its people.
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reposting Marco Rubio threat to Venezuela
https://x.com/i/status/2001084013050548470
Prof, sometimes it feels like you are the only one in the room calling out these things among otherwise like minded folks.
Norm, the other possibility is that those "like minded folks" are going to turn out right in their support of Machado and their call for the Maduro regime to end. Ed posted on X one hour after the U.S. bombed the Iranian weapons facilities about his disbelief that the people he admired did not realize catastrophic consequences would follow from that action. His fears did not come to pass (an outcome, to be fair, that he noted was possible in the post just not likely). The "like minded folk" were right then and they may be right again. I think that Tony makes some good points with regards to the situation. Also, the majority of the people voted against Maduro in the last election; they want an end to this regime. Jose Antonio Kast won the election by a staggering 16 points in Chile; his voters want an end to the Maduro regime. Positive change is coming to South America.
DeleteOr, maybe Dr. Feser is a man of principle and so doesn't get carried along wherever the political wind(bag) blows.
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ReplyDeleteHere are comments made by Machado in a recent interview by Margaret Brennan: "Look, I absolutely support President Trump's strategy, and we, the Venezuelan people, are very grateful to him and to his administration, because I believe he is a champion of freedom in this hemisphere. And that's why, and I say this from Oslo right now, I had dedicated this award to him because I think that he finally has put Venezuela in where it should be, in terms of a priority for the United States national security. And we do support these actions, because, Margaret, we are facing, not a conventional dictatorship. This is a very complex criminal structure that has turned Venezuela into a safe haven of international crime and terrorist activities, starting with Russia, Iran, Cuba, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Colombian guerrilla, the drug cartels operating freely and directed in partnership with Maduro and his regime. And as every criminal structure, it suffers when the inflows from their criminal activities are cut. And these, in the case of Maduro regime, comes from the oil black market to drug trafficking, gold smuggling, arm smuggling, even human smuggling and trafficking. So that's what we believe, it was so important to apply, you know, law enforcement, and we have been asking this for years, so it's finally happening. That's why I believe the regime has its days numbered." Trump's administration enabled Machado to escape (a factor unknown to Ed when he wrote his initial post). They are appropriately making plans for a post-Maduro future. Tony is likely right that Trump hopes to bring down "the socialist dictator indirectly through making war against the cartels, and the ramifications that follow." As Machado points out, this will be a geopolitical blow against "international crime and terrorist activities, starting with Russia, Iran, Cuba, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Columbian guerrilla."
“Miller, deputy chief of staff for policy and homeland security advisor, claimed American efforts created Venezuela's oil industry.
ReplyDeleteCaracas' "tyrannical expropriation" represents the "largest recorded theft of American wealth and property," he said on the US social media company X.
"These pillaged assets were then used to fund terrorism and flood our streets with killers, mercenaries and drugs," he wrote.”
The willingness to lie, to just make ish up, to justify theft and murder in this admin is matched by several commenters on this website. Neither Trump’s latest deranged lies on this subject or Miller’s are different in kind from what goes on in this comment section. Make Shame Great Again.