Metaphysical
hand-waving
Analytic philosophers working in metaphysics commonly draw a
distinction between “constituent ontologies” and “relational ontologies,” and
the contemporary literature on divine simplicity often makes reference to this
distinction. The basic idea is that a
constituent ontology holds that an object’s properties are constituents or
parts of the object itself, whereas a relational ontology denies this. Consider some particular dog Fido and his
four-leggedness. For a constituent
ontology, Fido’s four-leggedness is a constituent of Fido himself. But for a relational ontology, it is
something Fido has by virtue of his relation to something else – for example,
by virtue of his instantiating the universal four-leggedness, considered as an abstract object. In contemporary discussions, Aristotelianism
is commonly taken to be committed to a constituent ontology insofar as it takes
a particular thing’s form to be a constituent of the thing itself. Platonism, by contrast, is said to be
committed to a relational ontology insofar as it takes Forms to be, not
constituents of particular things themselves, but rather entities existing in a
third realm outside of time and space, to which particular things are related
by participation.
It gets more complicated than this, but that much will suffice
for present purposes. Now, the doctrine
of divine simplicity as understood by thinkers like Aquinas is often said in
contemporary discussions to presuppose a constituent ontology rather than a
relational ontology. For Aquinas, to say
that God is powerful and good is not to say that he bears a relation of
instantiation or participation to the universals power and goodness
considered as abstract objects. Rather,
God’s power and goodness are, to a first approximation, better thought of as
constituents of God himself. But only to
a first approximation, because ordinarily, when we consider a thing’s
constituents, we think of them as distinct parts of the thing. For example, the power and goodness of a man
are distinct from each other and from the man himself. But according to the doctrine of divine
simplicity, God’s power is identical to his goodness, and indeed both his power
and goodness are identical to God himself.
Now, among the reasons Craig gives for rejecting the
Thomistic account of divine simplicity is that he rejects the broader
metaphysics in terms of which it is articulated and defended, including
constituent ontology. One problem with
his criticisms, though, is that they rest in part on misunderstandings of
Aquinas and other Thomists, as we saw in the first post in this series. Another problem is that the criticisms tend
to have a “drive by” quality insofar as they engage with Thomistic ideas in a
relatively superficial way, and rely too much on rhetorical shortcuts such as
appeals to the conventional wisdom in contemporary philosophy and modern
philosophy more generally. And these two
failings of Craig’s approach work in tandem to give his discussion an unearned
confidence in the strength of its criticisms of Thomism.
For example, Craig emphasizes that “obviously, with Thomas’
explication of divine simplicity, we find ourselves situated within a
metaphysical framework which is so different from that of modernity as to
constitute a barrier to understanding” (p. 105). While he acknowledges that this Scholastic philosophical
background cannot be entirely ignored, he warns against paying it too much
attention, “lest Christian systematic theology be held prisoner to a
metaphysical framework now rejected and regarded as obsolete” (ibid.). Rather, interpreting and evaluating Aquinas’s
teaching on divine simplicity “must also involve a careful translation of the doctrine into a contemporary framework, where it
may be assessed for its coherence and plausibility” (ibid., emphasis added).
But as Craig’s own description of the results makes evident,
this method of interpretation only ends up making Aquinas’s position sound more mysterious, not less. Craig approvingly quotes Peter van Inwagen’s
complaint that he “do[es] not understand the words and phrases that are the
typical items of the core vocabulary of any given constituent ontology… these
are all mysteries to me” (p. 149). Craig
laments that “many Thomists freely deploy the jargon of school metaphysics, but
often, I fear, without meaning” (p. 164).
Sounding like Rudolf Carnap or A. J. Ayer, Craig dismisses the claims of
one defender of divine simplicity as “flowery nonsense,” and suggests that
another’s words merely “evoke an emotional response” but without having “assertoric
content” (p. 165). In their replies to
critics, defenders of the traditional doctrine of divine simplicity seem to
Craig to be driven to “increasingly implausible and even desperate responses”
and are “finally driven to appeal to mystery” (p. 157).
It never seems to occur to Craig that the problem might be
precisely that his method of interpretation amounts to a kind of eisegesis that
makes the views of Aquinas and other Thomists seem bizarre and unintelligible
precisely because he is reading alien contemporary assumptions into them. For example, as we saw in the previous post,
Craig alleges that for Aquinas, God is a “pure, featureless subsistent” (p.
171). As I showed, that is an absurd
characterization given what Aquinas actually says about the divine nature. But it is a misunderstanding one might
naturally fall into if one insists on
looking for some familiar contemporary metaphysical view to map Aquinas’s
position onto, and can’t find anything closer to it than the theory of bare
particulars. Craig complains that while
“properties” are universals, Thomists speak as if they were particulars,
yielding claims that seem incoherent (pp. 166-70). And he sympathizes with Alvin Plantinga’s
allegation that Aquinas’s position entails the bizarre conclusion that God is a
“property.” All of this sounds plausible
if you use “properties” and related terms the way contemporary analytic philosophers
tend reflexively to do, but not at all plausible if you use them the way
Scholastics do. And so on. (I respond to Plantinga’s critique of divine
simplicity at pp. 191-95 of my book Five
Proofs of the Existence of God.)
In short, Craig’s approach is like taking a puzzle apart,
forcing the pieces back together again in a configuration very different from
the original, and then complaining that the resulting image looks like a
mess. Or it is like insisting on wearing
rose-colored glasses when evaluating how well a painter has carried out your instructions
to paint a house white, and then accusing him of having painted it red instead.
Then there is the question of the metaphysics Craig would
recommend in place of Thomism. It isn’t
Platonism or any other brand of relational ontology. Craig rejects those metaphysical systems too,
arguing that if God instantiated universals understood as abstract objects,
then he would be metaphysically less fundamental than they are (pp. 150-51), a
result he rightly rejects. And he
acknowledges that considerations like this are precisely why many proponents of
divine simplicity adopt a constituent ontology.
But Craig insists that there is a third option:
[W]e may reject both in favor of an
anti-realist alternative, according to which property talk is a useful and
perhaps indispensable façon de parler,
meaningful within a certain linguistic framework but without ontological
commitment. We make-believe that there
are such things as properties in talking, for example, about God’s perfections. (p. 151)
This anti-realism is a kind of nominalism, though Craig
prefers to avoid that term. He has long
been committed to it, defending it in, for example, his book God
Over All: Divine Aseity and the Challenge of Platonism. But there are two serious problems with
it. First, as I argued in my review
of that book, there are insuperable metaphysical difficulties with
anti-realism. If properties are merely
convenient fictions within a system of make-believe, then why does that system
work as well as it does?
If we say that it works because God causes the world to
behave as if properties really
existed, then we face a dilemma. For why
did God choose to make the things that populate the world behave the way they
actually do behave, rather than some other way?
For example, why did he decide to make a world where fire burns things,
acorns grow into oak trees, lions hunt gazelles, and so on? Suppose the answer is that no alternative was
possible – that any world with fire in it was of necessity one where fire would
burn things, any world with acorns in it was one where acorns would grow into
oaks, and so on. Then it looks like
there are objective facts about the properties things have and how those
properties are related, in which case we’re back to a kind of realism about
properties. But the only alternative to
this view seems to be a kind of voluntarism according to which there is no rhyme
or reason to how God has chosen to create the world, and he could instead have
arbitrarily made it operate in any number of crazy ways – fire freezing things,
acorns growing into Volkswagens, and so on.
But Craig himself rejects voluntarism, and there is good reason to do
so, because it
violates the principle of sufficient reason (something to which Craig is
committed).
The second problem is that Craig’s anti-realism leads him to
characterize the divine nature in a way that sounds very close to what he
accuses advocates of divine simplicity of saying, making pointless the whole
exercise of developing an alternative metaphysics so as to avoid divine
simplicity! As we saw in the previous
post, Craig accuses Aquinas of holding that God has no properties, and objects
that this makes of God a bare or featureless subsistent. But now Craig himself is suddenly holding
that we only “make-believe that there
are such things as properties in talking, for example, about God’s perfections”
(p. 151, emphasis added). Indeed, it
turns out that “on an anti-realist perspective on properties, God is, indeed,
not composed of metaphysical parts and is in that sense simple” (p. 152)! Nor, contrary to what Craig supposes, does it
suffice to distinguish Craig’s view from the one he attributes to Aquinas to
say that there is a fundamentum in re
or foundation in reality for our attribution of properties to God even if they
are convenient fictions (p. 172). For
Aquinas too holds that there is a foundation in reality for our attribution of
power, goodness, and the like to God.
One clear difference between Craig and Aquinas is that for
Craig, while God is without properties and thus in a sense simple, “so is
everything else,” so that there is nothing special in his view about the case
of God (p. 152). But it is hard to see
how this helps Craig. His complaint is
that Aquinas’s metaphysics leads to bizarre conclusions about God. How is it an improvement to adopt instead a
metaphysics that leads to similar bizarre conclusions not only about God, but
about everything else too?
At one point, Craig warns that “Christian systematic
theologians would be very imprudent to marry Christian systematic theology to a
particular metaphysical framework” (p. 165).
But that is precisely what he does himself. Far from letting a thousand flowers bloom,
Craig tries to burn any Christian bridges to Thomism or Platonism, accusing the
former of agnosticism (p. 160) and the latter of implicit atheism (p.
151). He denies that his own insistence
on anti-realism amounts to marrying Christian theology to a particular
metaphysical framework, on the grounds that “many anti-realisms are on offer”
(p. 166). (Craig’s idea of metaphysical
diversity reminds one of the scene in The
Blues Brothers where a bartender is asked what kind of music they play at
the bar, and she replies “both kinds… country and western!”)
Worse, Craig’s motivation is in part to distance Christian
theology from ideas that “modernity” regards as “obsolete” (p. 105), and the
result is a position that puts him radically at odds with the Fathers of the
Church and with Anselm, Aquinas, and the mainstream tradition of Christian systematic
theology in general, as represented by Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant
thinkers alike. Needless to say, this is
a very strange approach to recommend to conservative Christian philosophers and
theologians.
Simplicity and aseity
Craig’s unwillingness seriously to engage with Thomistic
metaphysics greatly weakness his treatment of the arguments for the traditional
doctrine of divine simplicity. In Question
3 of the Prima Pars of the
Summa Theologiae, Aquinas devotes
eight articles to arguing for the doctrine.
Craig briefly summarizes some of the arguments in the course of
describing Aquinas’s position, but says that “our interest at this point is not
so much in the many arguments Aquinas gives in support as in the doctrine of
divine simplicity that he enunciates” (p. 136).
In other words, he treats Aquinas’s arguments as of interest primarily
as sources for finding out what Aquinas thought the doctrine says, rather than
as reasons to believe it.
When he comes to address arguments for the doctrine, he
claims that “today there seems to be a consensus that the traditional
arguments… are extraordinarily weak” (p. 143).
He offers no support for this claim, and it isn’t true. For all I know, there may be such a consensus
among critics of the doctrine –
though that consensus is not worth much given that some of the most prominent
of the critics, like Ryan
Mullins and Craig
himself, rest their case on what are, demonstrably, egregious
misunderstandings of the arguments. But
there is no consensus beyond that, and there are many prominent contemporary
thinkers who defend the traditional doctrine on traditional grounds, such as Barry
Miller, Brian Davies, and David Bentley Hart.
Craig does at least in a general way address the thesis that
simplicity follows from divine aseity, which is central to the Thomistic
approach to the issue. Aseity is
self-existence, which involves existing of necessity rather than contingently,
and thus in a manner that in no way depends on anything else. The traditional view is that only what is
simple or non-composite can possess aseity.
For if God were composed of parts, then there would have to be some
principle distinct from those parts that accounted for why they are united in
God. And in that case, it would be that
principle (whatever it is), rather than God, which is the ultimate
reality. He would depend on it for his
existence, and if it ceased operating he would cease to exist. Hence he would lack aseity. In response, Craig writes:
This argument is weak, for it
assumes without justification that God is not composed of metaphysically
inseparable parts, so that God has the property of indivisibility along with
his other perfections. A circle, for
example, might have a certain circumference, a certain diameter, and a certain
area, which, though distinct, are metaphysically inseparable properties. (p.
145)
What Craig doesn’t see is that the circle example does not
help his case, but in fact undermines it.
For while it is true that the circumference, diameter, and area of a
circle are metaphysically inseparable properties, circles are nevertheless
still contingent things which depend on something outside them to cause them to
exist. Positing metaphysically
inseparable parts in God thus hardly suffices to show that he could be
necessary and independent, and thus possess aseity, even if he were composite
rather than simple.
What Aquinas would say, of course, is that while having a
certain circumference, diameter, and area all follow with necessity from the
essence of a circle, that essence cannot by itself account for the actual
reality of any particular circle.
Existence must, as it were, be added to the essence of a circle in order
for circles to be actual beings and
not merely potential beings. And that is going to be true of the essence
of absolutely any sort of thing – triangles and trees, parrots and people –
except something whose very essence just
is existence. Only that sort of thing does not stand in
need of having existence added to its essence.
And precisely for that reason, only that sort of thing can have
aseity. But to be the sort of thing whose
essence and existence are identical is the core of being simple or
non-composite in the sense described by the traditional doctrine of divine
simplicity.
Craig would no doubt reject this line of thought, but his
circle example and postulation of metaphysically inseparable parts in God in no
way rebut the argument. On the contrary,
they completely miss the point. So too
does what he goes on to say next:
It has also been argued that if God
were composite, then there must exist a cause of the composition of his parts,
in contradiction to the doctrine of divine aseity… To be at all plausible, the
argument must assume that God’s co-eternal parts are more fundamental than
God. But there is no reason for such an
assumption. God and his parts could be
on an ontological par and metaphysically inseparable. Moreover, medievals themselves were familiar
with wholes that are explanatorily or metaphysically prior to any parts one
cares to specify in them, such as in cases of an object’s potential infinite
divisibility. If the whole is
metaphysically prior to its parts, then possessing such parts does not clearly
require a cause of their conjunction. (pp. 145-46)
Like the appeal to the circle example, this is simply a
blatant non sequitur. Yes, a whole and its parts can be on an
ontological par, and a whole can even be prior to its parts. So what?
How does that show that such wholes could possess aseity? That it shows no such thing is obvious as
soon as one considers the usual examples, including the one Craig gives. A physical object such as a stone is a whole
that is prior to the potentially infinite parts one could divide it into, but
which aren’t actual until a division occurs.
A living thing such as a bird is prior to its parts insofar as organs
like eyes and hearts are what they are only relative to the organism of which
they are organs. But stones and birds
are nevertheless contingent and depend on other things for their existence, and
thus lack aseity.
In response to the objection that if God has parts, then his
existence depends on these parts in a way inconsistent with aseity, Craig
appeals to Thomas Morris’s retort that even if God depends on his properties,
his properties also depend on him, and in a more fundamental way (p. 149). To be sure, Craig acknowledges that this
would lead to “bootstrapping difficulties” if we took this to entail that God
creates his own nature. We would have a
vicious explanatory circle in which God’s existence depends on that of his
parts, and the existence of the parts depends in turn on him. But Craig seems to think there is no problem
as long as we instead only draw from Morris’s point the lesson that if God is
prior to his parts, then he does not depend on those parts in a manner that
threatens aseity.
Once again, though, this is a non sequitur. A bird is prior to its organs in the obvious
sense that what it is to be an organ is determined by the organ’s relation to
the whole. All the same, there is an
obvious sense in which the existence of the whole bird depends on the existence
of the organs – after all, if they were to die, the whole bird would die as
well. So, again, to show that a whole is
in some sense prior to its parts does not suffice to show that it does not
depend on those parts in a way incompatible with aseity. And the example also once again illustrates
the deeper point that even a whole that is prior to its parts may have an
essence distinct from its existence (as birds do), in which case it will
require a cause and thus lack aseity. Craig’s
remarks about parts and wholes simply don’t do anything to get around this
problem, certainly not in a way that doesn’t beg the question against the
Thomist.
The limits of thought
A crucial defect of criticisms of the Thomistic account of
divine simplicity, including Craig’s, is a failure seriously to engage with the
thesis that assertions about the divine nature must be understood in an
analogical sense rather than either a univocal or equivocal sense. The tendency is to conduct the discussion as
if terms like “essence,” “attribute,” “goodness, “power,” etc. have exactly the
same sense when applied to God as when applied to created things. In particular, the critic raises objections
to the doctrine of divine simplicity that could have force only if we assumed
that they have this univocal sense. The
critic then confidently declares that these objections show the doctrine to be
incoherent or unintelligible or self-contradictory. Finally, the critic acknowledges in passing
that Thomists would object that the crucial terms are not to be understood univocally, but analogically. The critic then quickly dismisses the notion
of analogy on the basis of some stock objection (a reference to Scotus in
Craig’s case), and moves on to something else.
The issue of analogical language is treated with shocking superficiality
and brevity – as if it were an afterthought or a tangential matter, when in
fact it is central to the whole debate.
The failure to grapple with analogy renders the entire critique question-begging
at best, if not entirely beside the point.
For example, there is a lot of heavy going in Craig’s
discussion about whether Aquinas thinks God has an essence. Craig treats this as if it were a terribly
mysterious exegetical question. He finally
decides, correctly, that Aquinas does think God has an essence, one which is
identical to his very being. But Craig
is baffled at how this can be so given that Aquinas denies that God falls under
any genus. For if God does have such an
essence, “then God’s act of being must fall under a genus and species like
every essence” (p. 157). Of course, this
would be true only if God has an essence in exactly the same way that we
do. But of course, that is precisely
what Aquinas denies. The question of what
Aquinas thinks about the matter is mysterious only if one insists on reading
him as if he were using “essence” univocally, which of course he is not.
Similarly, Craig is baffled by a remark by Stump to the
effect that “God does not have an essence; instead, he is identical with his
essence” (quoted in footnote 144 at p. 142).
Doesn’t this seem obviously incoherent or self-contradictory? No, at least not if one makes a minimal
effort to read the statement in light of other Thomistic commitments. The key word in Stump’s remark is
“have.” A stone or a dog or a human
being can be said to “have” an essence in the sense of instantiating some essence distinct from the particular thing that
has it. But God does not “have” an
essence in that sense, because he is
not one particular instance among others of some shared essence. Rather, we have in the case of God something
that is identical to its essence. And
precisely for that reason, while we can attribute an essence to God, we have to
understand that as the claim that there is in him something analogous to what we call an essence in
created things, even if it is not exactly the same thing as what we call an
essence in those things (since in a created thing, a distinction can be drawn
between the essence and the thing which instantiates it). Whether or not one agrees with this account,
there is nothing obviously incoherent or self-contradictory about it.
In his book-length defense of divine simplicity A Most Unlikely God, Barry Miller notes
that analogical predication can be understood in terms of the notion of a
“limit case.” As he says:
[A] limit case… is not a member of the series of which it is the limit
case. However, although not belonging to
the series, it is not totally unrelated to the members, since it is they and
the way in which they are ordered that point to this limit case: although
different in kind from the series’ members, it is that towards which those
members do point. (p. 8)
For example, consider a sequence of ever decreasing speeds –
4 mph, 3 mph, 2 mph, 1 mph. 0 mph is the
limit case of this sequence. It is not
itself a speed, because to move 0 mph is not to move at all. But it is nevertheless that to which the
series points. Or consider a series of
ever shorter lines. A point would be the
limit case of this series, because while it is not itself a line, it is that to
which the series points. Or consider a
series of regular polygons with an ever increasing number of sides. A circle would be the limit case of this
series. It is not itself part of the
series, because adding sides will never get you a circle, but only polygons
that are ever closer approximations to a circle. Still, the series points to the circle, as it
were.
A limit case differs in kind and not degree from the members
of the series that point to it. Again, 0
mph is not a speed, a point is not a line, and a circle is not a polygon. At the same time, the members of the series
do bear a relation of similarity to the limit case to which they point. For example, the series of polygons described
bears a relation of similarity to a circle, even though a circle is not a
polygon.
This gives us a way to understand what it means to say that
there is, in God, something analogous to what we call an essence in created
things, something analogous to what we call goodness in created things,
something analogous to what we call power in created things, and so on. What we’re attributing to God is not exactly
the same thing as what we call essence, goodness, power, etc. in created
things. It is not a matter of him having
the same attribute but to a higher degree, just as to be a circle is not the
same as being a polygon but with more sides.
At the same time, what we attribute to God is not entirely unrelated to
what we attribute to created things, just as a circle is not entirely unrelated
to the sequence of polygons. That is why
analogical predications are not univocal, but also not equivocal.
Craig pays scant attention to such considerations,
dismissing the notion of analogical predication in a few glib sentences. But to purport to refute the Thomistic
account of divine simplicity in such a manner is like pretending to refute
Craig’s kalām cosmological argument
while devoting at most a few sentences to his arguments against a beginningless
universe. It simply fails to get to the
heart of the issue.
Craig also too casually dismisses Stump’s comparison of
analogical discourse about God to the way quantum mechanics describes the
nature of matter (pp. 162-63). As I
argued in my recent lecture “The
Epistemology of Microphysics,” there are in fact important
similarities between the two cases. In
particular, I note that there are similarities between philosopher of science
N. R. Hanson’s account of the nature of contemporary physics’ inferences about
the nature of unobservable particles, and the Thomistic account of the triplex via by which we draw inferences
about the nature of God. I note that
whereas God is pure actuality, the closer we get to the bottom level of the
hierarchy of being, namely prime matter, the closer we get to pure
potentiality. And the reason our
linguistic and conceptual resources come under strain when we try to describe
either God or fundamental particles is that in both cases, the human intellect has
to stretch well beyond the middle-range entities which are its natural objects
of understanding, and which are compounds of actuality and potentiality.
I won’t repeat the whole analysis here. Readers interested in it are directed to the
lecture linked to above. Suffice it for
present purposes to note the superficiality of Craig’s criticisms of
Stump. He says, first, that the analogy
to quantum mechanics doesn’t help, because properly understood, quantum
mechanics does not make any contradictory claims, whereas the Thomistic
doctrine of divine simplicity does. But
while he is correct to say that an analogy to quantum mechanics would not save
a view that entails contradictions, he is wrong to claim that the Thomistic
account entails any. As we have seen in
this article and the previous one, any contradictions Craig thinks he sees in
the Thomistic position are a product of his misunderstandings, not of anything
Aquinas or other Thomists have said.
Second, Craig says that while we have overwhelming empirical
support for quantum mechanics, we have no comparable support for divine
simplicity. Hence, while the evidence
might force us into accepting quantum mechanics despite its making some strange
claims, there is no similarly overwhelming evidence that forces us into
accepting divine simplicity regardless of the strangeness of its claims.
But this just begs the question against the Thomist, and
against advocates of the traditional doctrine of divine simplicity more
generally. Consider arguments for the
existence of God like the Aristotelian proof, the Neo-Platonic proof, and the
Thomistic proof, which I defend in Five
Proofs of the Existence of God. Like
other advocates of these arguments, I take them to be metaphysical
demonstrations. They claim to show, not
merely that there might be or probably is a divine cause of things,
but that there must of necessity be
such a cause. Moreover, each claims that
this cause must be of a certain nature – pure actuality in the case of the
Aristotelian proof, absolutely non-composite in the case of the Neo-Platonic
proof, and something whose existence and essence are identical in the case of
the Thomistic proof. And each of these
claims entails, in turn, the traditional doctrine of divine simplicity.
Hence, if the arguments work, we are in a situation analogous to the one that the evidence for
quantum mechanics puts us in. In
particular, we are led ineluctably to the conclusion that the doctrine of
divine simplicity must be true, despite entailing claims that we might find
strange. Naturally, Craig will disagree
with this. The point, though, is that
divine simplicity goes to the very core of natural theology as it is understood
in traditions such as Aristotelianism, Neo-Platonism, and Thomism. It is not some optional extra that we may or
may not decide to add on after the project of establishing God’s existence is
completed.
Of course, many atheists would be happy to dismiss these
theistic arguments and divine simplicity alike, since they are no more
impressed by the former than the latter.
But Craig can hardly do so,
given that he is among the preeminent contemporary defenders of natural
theology and apologetics. To be sure,
the arguments in question are not the kind he has traditionally been prone to
defend. But it would be rash for an
apologist to dismiss them out of hand.
And in any event, as I say, to do so in order to undermine the support
they give the traditional doctrine of divine simplicity would be to beg the
question against Thomists and other defenders of the doctrine.
Craig says more about the doctrine, and I may comment on some of it in a future post. The aim of this series, though, has been to rebut what he says about the Thomistic approach to the doctrine, specifically.

Absolutely delightful. Keep it coming Ed! Great work :)
ReplyDeleteThis was very comprehensive Prof...
ReplyDeleteThe parts about analogy are crucial, many people miss that.
Also I'd say that this trend of dismissing arguments because it involves reference to a metaphysical system has become quite common.
Very well enunciated. Great work.
ReplyDeleteGreat work there, indeed.
ReplyDeleteA philosophical idea needs to be understood in its metaphysical framework and with its framework terms before it can be discussed. Imagine, for instance, trying to understand Berkeley idealism while not understanding his empiricism or Schopenhauer Will while not understanding his and Kant epistemologies, it does happens a lot and the results tend to be exactly like what we see here(not very good).
Even several critics of classical theism from the naturalist side show way more of a effort to understand the position, so Dr. Craig position here is quite sad to hear. Than a position so important to western philosophy and to western philosophical theism in general is mostly dismissed by one of the more influential christian thinkers of our times is quite bizarre.
To be honest i struggle seeing a solution to this general issue unless we start putting a lot more philology into phil degrees, if one passes a masters degree while studying the tought of aristotle for about 300 hours, while the organon alone would probably require 3x that to be fully understood, one is bound to misinterpret.
DeleteIm not necessarily saying that everyone should study aristotle in this way (or kant, or niezsche, or plotinus etc...) but it does seems always quite insane to me that contemporary philosphers think they have a proper grasp of certain ancient thinkers when some of the greatest geniuses in history where studying them for years before claiming to be "masters of the craft" so to speak.
@Anon
DeleteIndeed, i also do not see what to do. Time is very limited and there does not seems to be no way to have the philosophers study enough of all the western tradition, let alone the rest!
Specialization tends to be a dificulty on a lot of formations, leaving gaps in thinkers and all that, but them again time seems to requires it. Perhaps we could integrate these diferent point of views more, but i lack the expertise to know how this would look like.
It’s embarrassing when people of caliber dismiss a metaphysical framework as “now rejected and regarded as obsolete”—especially when they can’t even comprehend the system they’re criticizing.
ReplyDeleteSometimes it’s hard to take theologians seriously when they show such disregard for classical metaphysical systems. Just look at the monster (antirealism) Craig had to invoke simply to try to make sense of God’s attributes.
Craig has always been weak when it comes to divine simplicity and universals. Tbh the only reason I feel inclined to get those books is to see if he’s got anything new on Maydole’s Modal Supremacy Argument. Other points:
ReplyDelete1, throughout history the vast majority of Platonists and Neo-Platonists have been constituent rather than relational ontologists. The relational understanding of Platonism is largely a result of Frege.
2, far from being a weird waky relic of the middle ages constituent ontology is enjoying some dominance in Analytical spheres as a result of Australian ontologists such as D.M. Armstrong.
3, virtually all Platonists throughout history have made the forms qua universals dependent on God even if it be by a per impossible counterfactual. There is a position in Analytical philosophy of religion, Theistic Activism, which attempts to develop this in a modern context. Ironically the prime objection to this, the so called “Bootstrapping Problem,” goes away if one accepts a form of Divine Simplicity.
Well done, Ed, but your readers are only hearing from you. Reach out to Bill Craig for a reply or surrebuttal. I am sure you can contact him. He's talked with Trent Horn and Peter Van Inwagen. He should do the same with you. As you know, he teaches sometimes at Biola Univ in your state and lives in Marietta, GA. Saddle up and joist with the White Knight of Christianity.
ReplyDeleteThat would be very cool, indeed. A shame than Dr. Craig likely would not be interested in a book, like he done with diferent thinkers on several themes.
DeleteWould it be correct to say that because Craig rejects the traditional understanding of God’s Immutability, that he is inevitably led to rejecting Divine Simplicity?
ReplyDeleteIs it accurate to say that Divine Simplicity, Immutability, Impassibility, and Aseity are all interconnected, in such a way that if someone rejects the traditional understanding of one of these, their view of the other three attributes is going to either be modified to the point of being unrecognizable, or rejected outright?
I tend to think that's right. I'm not sure of all of the particular elements needed to prove that, but I think St. Thomas's proofs rely on what he seems to represent are necessary connections between simplicity and the others.
DeleteIt was David Bentley Hart who said in The Experience of God that "a denial of divine simplicity is tantamount to atheism," but I didn't expect William Lane Craig to be the one who set out to prove him right. Yet here he is, resorting to the village atheist's standard accusation that traditional metaphysics is nothing but "flowery nonsense" designed to “evoke an emotional response." Ye gods.
ReplyDelete(Also, when he isn't using New Atheist rhetoric, he almost sounds like a liberal Protestant, trying to "update" the content of the faith to conform to modern sensibilities because we now "know" that things like the Resurrection don't happen anymore, except instead of miracles, it's metaphysics.)
From the Prof's OP: "[Craig's] criticisms tend to have a “drive by” quality insofar as they engage with Thomistic ideas in a relatively superficial way, and rely too much on rhetorical shortcuts such as appeals to the conventional wisdom in contemporary philosophy and modern philosophy more generally."
ReplyDeleteI said earlier that I don't find Craig to display the "follow the argument where it leads" quality that Plato's Socrates displays (though, how many academic philosophers live up to Socrates?). As I recall, Craig as a young man was "big into" debate teams. One of his tactics over the years in debates has been Gish Gallop: flooding the pool with a long list of points, to all of which no "opponent" can reply. Then Craig will say later on, "And he completely failed to address points 7 and 8..." I didn't see more of the Craig - van Inwagen debate than the few minutes on Craig's website, but even there -- van Inwagen opened up with an argument. Craig opened up with a list of 8 or so points. I don't know how the rest of the debate went.
Some non-theists call Craig "God's lawyer." That's unfair, I'm sure ... but I think the Prof's remarks that Craig relies too much on engaging with ideas in a superficial way and on using rhetorical appeals, etc.
Craig is sometimes superficial, true, and sometimes very deep and detailed, so I wouldn’t want to exaggerate his superficiality.
DeleteThe moment someone starts talking about 'metaphysical frameworks', you can be sure they're influenced by Kant, or ideas like his. If you think in terms of 'metaphysical frameworks', viz. things that act as aids to understanding reality, or even as substitutes for understanding reality, you're already a Kantian and a nominalist.
ReplyDeletePhilosophy is about reality. Its object is reality, not some 'framework' or 'system'.
Frameworks are about interpreting said reality, which doesn’t always give us straightforward analysis in its raw form…
DeleteWhen completed, Craig's "Systematic Philosophical Theology' will comprise 5 hardback volumes and total well over 2, 000 pages. It is a monumental intellectual achievement and nothing like it exists in the English language.
ReplyDeleteOK, MJR, your 2000 pages datum has me convinced. I'll stop reading Aquinas, who wrote over 8 million words, and just go by Wm. Lane Craig. /s
DeleteThe above claim might be largely true (the only part I query is “nothing like it existing in the English language”—the work of Bernard Lonergan comes to mind). What are we to take from it though?
DeleteBy comparison: Hegel’s logics and histories are amongst the greatest intellectual edifices ever built in the German language, however, Hegelianism is still fatally flawed.
I would really like to see a reply from Craig, but I doubt if he's even aware of what Feser has written.
DeleteI (and everyone else who commented on my post) forgot or didn't know about Fr Thomas Joseph White's 5 Vol work "Principles of Catholic Theology," which is also a monumental intellectual achievement and equal in length or surpassing what Craig wrote:
DeletePrinciples of Catholic Theology is a multi-volume series of essay collections by Father Thomas Joseph White, OP, the Rector of the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (the Angelicum), which offers a contemporary exposition of dogmatic Catholic theology rooted in the Thomistic tradition.Overview of the SeriesBook 1: On the Nature of Theology - Introduces the project by surveying recent Catholic theology and engaging critically with thinkers like Karl Barth, Karl Rahner, and Hans Urs von Balthasar from a Thomistic perspective. Available from the Catholic University of America Press.Book 2: On the Rational Credibility of Christianity - Explores natural reason, the existence of God, transcendentals, and the philosophical coherence of the Trinity. Detailed on Project MUSE.Book 3: On God, Trinity, Creation, and Christ - Probes divine simplicity, apophatic theology, the Holy Trinity, and the beauty of creation.Book 4: On the Church, Mary, Nature and Grace - Examines ecclesiology, the Virgin Mary, nature and grace, and the interpretation of Lumen Gentium. Available via Barnes & Noble.Book 5: On God's Presence in Creation, Grace, and the Incarnation - Explores the multiple ways God is present in creation, the sacraments, and human awareness.
It's just a rehash of usual neo-scholastic theology.
DeleteIt's just a rehash of usual neo-scholastic theology.
DeleteWell, a rehash of the usual neo-scholastic stuff is generally a good thing, so "just a rehash" is a positive note. Yet: is this a GOOD rehash, well ordered, clarifying for ambiguities, etc?
Yeah, Anonymous, the Rector of the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas (the Angelicum) in Rome, who holds a Ph.D from Oxford University, just re-hashes scholastic theology. You nailed him.
DeleteEd himself has mentioned it elsewhere but his and Craig’s approach to natural theology are fundamentally different. Ed claims that proving the existence of God is easy assuming certain core metaphysical assumptions which we’ll need to make sense of reality anyway; Craig attempts to give schematic arguments for Theism which would be true on most plausible ontologies. Both are valid but he (Craig) should really just graciously bow out of discussions on Divine Simplicity saying that if people want to argue for the extra positions they are welcome to.
ReplyDeleteThe piecemeal rejection and the nominalism bit are just silly (is Plantinga an “atheist?”) Ironically the atheist Graham Oppy took him to task for being too cavalier with both this positions in “The Devilish Complexities of Divine Simplicity, and “Abstract Objects? How Cares!” respectively.
Suffice to say I don’t think anyone in the history of the world has lost their faith in the Incarnation because they decided the number Four also existed.
You argument i.e.,
ReplyDelete"For if God were composed of parts, then there would have to be some principle distinct from those parts that accounted for why they are united in God. And in that case, it would be that principle (whatever it is), rather than God, which is the ultimate reality. He would depend on it for his existence, and if it ceased operating he would cease to exist. Hence he would lack aseity."
is no good. The problematic premise is this, conditional statement:
If God were composed of parts, then there would have to be some principle distinct from those parts that accounted for why they are united in God.
Why is that i.e., ‘distinct principle’, required though? That is, why can’t it be the case that the putative divine-parts are inseparable i.e., from both the whole they compose and from each other?
Yes, Craig raises just this objection. And instead of meeting it head on, you seem to switch to talking about contingency and essence/existence identity, without clarifying how any of that’s relevant to deflecting the objection. (You tend to do this sort of thing, btw – switch mid argument to a different consideration said argument is usually based on. You've done this e.g., with Aquinas’ First Way, which is supposed to be about the motion things undergo. Under pressure from criticisms, at some point you make it (rather implausibly) about the existence things possess.)
Re the issue at hand, then, someone like Craig will insist (rightly too): only something with separable parts requires “some principle distinct from those parts that [accounts] for why they are united in [it]”. As for something with inseparable parts that also depends on nothing outside of it to cause it to exist, definitely no. At the very least, it is not clear that such a thing would require one. In sum, you haven't justified the entailment relation between the conditional’s antecedent and consequent.
Let me help out. Instead of the above conditional, one should rather put forward, with Avicenna, this one:
If God were composed of parts, then He would depend on those very parts
And this conditional is true even if said parts are inseparable; for, necessarily, anything composed of parts depends on those parts.
It is not difficult to see at this point the threat this poses to aseity.
Whatever allows for the unity of disparate “parts” is always (in our experience) some logically prior principle, no?
DeleteI would dispute this even from a Scholastic point of view. One might for instance claim that since the Divine Properties are necessarily co-extensive* they are not “really” distinct only distinct in a lesser fashion i..e. “formally.” So God is simple in the sense that:
Delete1. He is not really distinct from his parts i.e. nature
2. His parts are not really distinct from one another.
For sure if one accepts Thomas’ and others’ hard Existence and Essence distinction this would look very odd, but those who defend it e.g. a sort of soft Scotist, would not do so.
*To use a famous example they are only distinct in the same way that Trilaterality and Triangularity are distinct.
Hey Prof
ReplyDeleteSo I am really struggling with the retorsion defence for the reality of change which I find is instrumental in getting people to consider the reality of act and potency , if someone denies reasoning in a modus ponens style from premise to conclusion. And says they reasoned to it in another way maybe by grasping the logical relations at once on the grounds that we don't have access to the private thoughts of a person.
How would one reply? Can we just say for example that prove it ? Now if he says he cannot explain it to us and gives the reason of you not being able to understand it because of your mode of reasoning, he is conceding atleast that you reason that way and you can say change occurs in you.
If he provides no response, then it just becomes a mere assertion.
Moreover could one say that the modus ponens style reasoning itself presupposes the possibility of change so as to present an argument of that form is to be implicitly commited to the possibility of change ?
However I have seen someone comment the following,
"There are many who would say there is no temporal "change" in the platonic realm of mathematics, but that doesn't negate the idea that this platonic realm can contain logical proofs which "start" from a series of axioms and proceed via a series of inferences to some proposition that's the conclusion."
The argumentb
is something I use a lot in convincing others especially on metaohysics so I would appreciate a response whenever you get time over the weekend.
It would mean a lot to me
Any thoughts Prof
DeleteMaybe it will help take your mind of toxic twitter discourse 😄
Two points:
Delete1. If even one person reasons from premises to conclusions, then change is real. So you don't need to be able to see into someone else's mind. You just need to be able to see into your own. That being said, presumably whomever you speak with has as part of their phenomenology some movement or change (even if not reasoning, coming to know something they did not). If that person is digging their heels in so hard that they deny any phenomenological "flow" in themselves and they refuse to believe that you have self-awareness of change, then I think you've found good evidence that they are not arguing in good faith and needn't be bothered with.
2. If they grasp the logical relations all at once, then they are not reasoning; it's really that simple. God grasps all logical relations at once, but we would explicitly deny that He is reasoning, precisely because reasoning is a process of proceeding from the known to the unknown. Further, if we deny any change, then we cannot acquire new sense knowledge either. We can never learn anything new either by what we experience or by what we reason to. But we can learn new things. For example, ask them if they know what you are about to say; either they will already know or they will never know. But presumably you can tell them something they would never know/guess, but in your telling it, they would come to know. Hence, one can gain knowledge, and thus change is real.