Like many others across the political spectrum, I’ve been alarmed at the extreme tariff policy President Trump announced last week, which was met by a massive drop in the stock market. As with almost everything else he does, the policy was nevertheless instantly embraced with enthusiasm by his most devoted followers, who have glibly dismissed all concerns and assured us that we are on the cusp of a golden age. If this does not sound like the conclusion of careful and dispassionate reasoning, that is because it isn’t. Whatever the outcome of Trump’s policy, the flippant boosterism with which it has been put forward and defended is contrary to reason.
Postliberalism and tariffs
It is
important to emphasize first that the problem has nothing essentially to do
with any dogmatic opposition to tariffs as such, much less with any general
commitment to libertarian economics. I
am happy to acknowledge that tariffs can sometimes be a good idea, and my own
approach to these issues is postliberal rather than libertarian or classical
liberal (or “neoliberal,” “market fundamentalist,” or any of the other epithets
being flung about in recent days).
But neither
postliberalism nor the fact that tariffs can sometimes be a good idea entails
that they are always a good idea, or
that the particular draconian tariff regime announced last week is a good
idea. This is not a matter that can be
settled a priori by appeal to
abstract principle. It requires a
judgement of prudence that takes account of myriad concrete and contingent
circumstances. Several thinkers
representative of postliberalism or allied traditions of thought have affirmed
that tariffs are of limited value and sometimes best avoided. For example, the twentieth-century theologian
Johannes Messner, a prominent exponent of Catholic Social Teaching, wrote:
[The] bilateral system [features] differential tariff
agreements on the basis of reciprocity.
Its various forms are based on methods of protectionism, of safeguarding
the individual national economy by measures to restrict imports. The means employed to restrict imports
[include] prohibitive tariffs… As was shown in the period between the wars…
this entails a minimum of international economic cooperation, and nations have paid
dearly for it by severe economic losses and chronic mass unemployment. (Social
Ethics, p. 952)
The Catholic
distributist Hilaire Belloc, while defending protectionist tariff policy,
nevertheless judges that “the argument in favour of Protection applies to
particular cases only, and turns entirely upon whether an undeveloped part of
the energies of the community can be turned into new channels or not” (Economics for Helen, p. 126).
Similarly,
the contemporary postliberal political scientist Patrick Deneen, commenting in
his 2023 book Regime Change on
Trump’s predilection for tariffs, wrote:
Tariffs, however, are generally crude instruments, often used
as much or more for domestic political advantage than true enhancements to
national competitiveness. Where
necessary, tariffs can prevent dumping and counteract advantages that foreign
manufacturers receive from public funding.
However, they should generally be a policy of last resort, focused
especially on protecting national manufacture of essential goods such as
pharmaceuticals and basic materials. (p. 179)
In response
to Trump’s suggestion that tariffs might some day replace the income tax,
postliberal journalist Sohrab Ahmari has
written:
Replacing tax revenue with tariffs today isn’t workable,
given the hugely expanded size and scope of the government. And jacking up tariffs high enough to cover
the cost would discourage most nations from trading with the US in the first
place, thus creating a drastic revenue shortfall.
In a
Newsweek article that
appeared during the 2024 presidential campaign, postliberal economist Philip
Pilkington, while agreeing with Trump that trade imbalances are a serious issue,
doubted “whether increased tariffs and protectionism are the best way to deal
with these imbalances.” There are, he
wrote, two problems with this approach:
The first is that it overestimates what protectionism can
accomplish… Tariffs may well help protect domestic industries, but some in
American policy circles seem convinced that imposing tariffs will also lead to
a spontaneous regrowth of industries lost to globalization. Many such industries are highly complex and
require skills, know-how, transport infrastructure, and other inputs that take
years – maybe even decades – to nurture and develop. If the American government imposes tariffs on
key sectors and American businesses have a hard time substituting the goods
targeted by the tariffs, the result will simply be a sharp uptick in the price
of the goods.
This leads us to the second problem. The Trump campaign has signaled a desire to
aggressively cut taxes, especially income taxes. Such cuts would drastically boost the spending
power of the average American consumer. Yet
if, at the same time, the government is restricting access to cheap foreign
goods with higher tariffs, too much money will be chasing too few goods. This is a recipe for inflation – perhaps very
high inflation.
It is worth
noting that the contemporary writers just mentioned are known for sympathizing
with much of Trump’s agenda. Naturally,
none of this entails that a postliberal could not favor Trump’s tariff
proposal, and some postliberals appear to do so. The point is that there is nothing in
postliberalism in itself that entails
either accepting or rejecting it.
But I’d add
this caveat. The “order” part of a
postliberal order is no less essential than the “postliberal” part. And the trouble is that, whatever one thinks
in the abstract of a policy like Trump’s, its actual execution tends to chaos
rather than order.
The trouble with the Trump tariffs
There are three basic sets of problems with Trump’s tariff plan, which concern its timing, conception, and execution. Let’s consider each in turn.
1. Timing
The country
has been battered by inflation for four years now. Polls show that high prices were the primary
concern both of Trump’s base and of the swing voters without whom he could not
have won the recent election. Trump made
this a key campaign issue, pledging:
“Starting on Day 1, we will end inflation and make America affordable again.” Yet it is widely acknowledged, even among
defenders of Trump’s tariffs, that they are likely to drive prices up even higher. They have also driven the stock market down
dramatically, with retirees dependent on 401(k) accounts being the hardest
hit. The result is that consumers will
have to pay even more than the high prices they are already facing, with less
money available to do so.
Even if the
tariffs were otherwise defensible, it is clear that this would not be the time
to impose them. Politically, it is
likely to be a disaster for Republicans, who will surely lose control of
Congress next year if prices remain high.
But more importantly, it is simply unjust
to impose greater economic hardship on a public that has already had enough of
it, and to whom relief was promised – especially for the sake of a radical
policy that is far from sure to achieve its goal, and even lacks a well-defined
goal in the first place.
2. Conception
That brings
us to the second problem. As many
critics have noted, despite the economic risks any bold tariff policy is bound
to have, the new tariff regime is both draconian and poorly thought out. Over 100 countries are targeted by the
tariffs, some of which are very steep.
But there
seems to be no serious rationale for many of the specific amounts decided
upon. It appears that the administration’s
basic formula not only does not make much economic sense, but has
not even been applied correctly by the administration itself. The policy focuses on trade imbalances, but a
trade imbalance is not by itself necessarily harmful. For example, a very poor country is bound to
buy less from the wealthy United States than the U.S. buys from it. But this no more entails that the U.S. is
getting “screwed” by the poor country than the fact that a rich man buys more
from a poor shopkeeper than the latter buys from the former entails that the shopkeeper
is “screwing” the rich man. Yet tiny
Lesotho is being hit with a 50% tariff that will inflict vastly more economic
damage on its people than any “harm” Lesotho could ever be imagined to have
inflicted on the U.S.
Furthermore,
Israel agreed prior to the announcement of the plan to drop all tariffs on U.S.
goods, but was hit with a new tariff anyway.
The Taliban in Afghanistan got hit with a new tariff too, but a smaller
one. Russia faces no new tariffs, but
Ukraine does. Among others who face them
are several small islands, including one we do not trade with and two that are
uninhabited. In some cases, the new
tariffs conflict with existing trade agreements.
According to
some explanations of the tariffs, they are meant as a short-term negotiating
tactic. According to others, they are
intended to be permanent. Naturally, the
uncertainty this entails makes rational economic decision-making difficult,
which is one reason the stock market has taken such a big hit. It is also said that tariffs will yield great
revenue for the U.S. government, allowing it to cut taxes and thereby relieve
consumers hit with price increases. But
the more draconian a tariff regime is, the less trade there will be, which
entails that the revenue the U.S. might in
theory enjoy from tariffs will not be what it in fact collects. Obviously,
if you charge people 10% or 25% or 50% more for what you are selling, it
doesn’t follow that you will actually make that much more money, because many
potential buyers will simply decide not to buy.
It is said
that the tariffs will bring back lost manufacturing jobs. But a tariff cannot by itself do that. If an industry already exists, protectionist
policies like tariffs can shield it from foreign competition. But if the industry no longer exists, a
tariff won’t necessarily bring it back to life, any more than putting a
bulletproof vest on a corpse will resuscitate it. To be sure, the tariff may be among the
conditions that make it easier for the industry to revive. But other conditions (such as the relevant
infrastructure and skilled labor) need to be put in place as well, and even
when this is possible it can take many years.
There is also the fact that a tariff that on the surface appears to help
American manufacturers can in fact hurt them.
If the product a U.S. manufacturer makes requires components that have
to be imported from outside the U.S., then a tariff on those foreign components
will drive costs up. And there may be no
domestic supplier that can replace the foreign one.
Lurking in
the background of any draconian tariff proposal is, of course, memory of the
notorious Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, which is widely held to have deepened the
Great Depression. (It is an example of
what Messner had in mind in the quote above, when he notes the grave economic
damage that protectionist policies can inflict.) While even a policy as extreme as Trump’s
need not have such a dire outcome, many economists are worried that it will at
least lead to a recession.
None of this
entails that there is no serious case for tariffs of any kind. That’s not the point. The point is that a tariff policy as
ambitious and risky as Trump’s should be thought out extremely carefully, and
this one is instead haphazard and reckless.
Many Trump defenders will dismiss such concerns on ad hominem grounds, as the sort of thing dogmatic free marketers
would want us to believe. This is as
silly as dismissing an argument in favor of a certain tariff simply on the
grounds that it was given by a socialist.
Though as it happens, socialists no less than free marketers sometimes
argue against particular tariffs, as, again, some postliberals
do. As I’ve said, the advisability of
any particular tariff proposal does not stand or fall with one’s general
philosophical or economic point of view.
In any event, what matters is whether an argument or an objection is
correct or not, not who raised it. This
should be obvious, but in our hyper-partisan era, reminders of basic points of
logic are constantly necessary.
Defenders of
the tariff policy also routinely appeal to what has happened to the Rust Belt,
and the benefits of restoring U.S. manufacturing jobs and capacities that have
been lost. But this fallaciously
supposes that because the end or goal
of a tariff policy is good, it follows that the policy itself must be a good
means to achieve it. This is as silly as
arguing that communism must be good and achievable, because those who favor it
have the good motive of helping poor and working people. It also fails to consider other possible
means to the ends the tariff policy is said to be motivated by. For example, Deneen suggests in Regime Change that the U.S.
manufacturing base can be bolstered without heavy reliance on tariffs, by government
spending to support infrastructure, research and development, and relevant education. And in the article linked to above,
Pilkington proposes, in place of tariffs, new rules governing international
trade.
3. Execution
As to the
execution of the tariff policy, there are two basic problems. The first is the intellectually and morally
unserious manner in which it has been done.
Concerns like the ones I’ve set out are waved away rather than
answered. Trump dismisses
those worried about the policy as “weak and stupid.” The stock market dive and prospect of higher
prices are dismissed as irrelevant by the same people who once pointed to the
health of the stock market as evidence of the soundness of Trump’s policies, and
to high prices as evidence of Biden’s incompetence. Trump defenders who, twenty minutes ago, were
proclaiming that he would liberate us from hard economic times are now calling
on Americans to embrace austerity.
This is a
grave failure of statesmanship. Ordinary
people, including many working class and elderly people who voted for Trump,
are watching their retirement accounts shrink and already high prices looking
to get higher, and are understandably frightened. It is cruel to dismiss their concerns and
smugly urge them to toughen up and tighten their belts, especially after having
promised them immediate economic relief.
On top of that, this attitude only adds to the fear of looming disaster,
because it reinforces the impression that the architects and advocates of the
policy are driven by cold ideological fanaticism rather than good sense and
concern for the common good.
And again, a
rational economy needs predictability, and the stability that predictability
presupposes. But the manner in which
Trump’s policy is being executed, no less than its actual content, undermines
economic stability.
The second
problem with the execution of Trump’s tariff policy concerns its dubious
legality. It is Congress, rather than
the president, that has primary authority over tariff policy, and it is
implausible to suppose that it has delegated to him authority to impose a
tariff policy as draconian as the one announced. It is also risible to pretend that we face
some “emergency” that licenses such action, given that the purported emergency
is merely the continuation of an economic order that has persisted for decades
and through periods of high prosperity, including the period during his first
term that Trump takes credit for. What
we seem to have here is a textbook case of the demagogic manufacture of an
“emergency” to rationalize the acquisition of extraconstitutional
power.
It is also
part of an alarming trend on Trump’s part toward ever more grandiose and indeed
unhinged actions and statements. This
began at least as early as his absurd insistence in 2021 that Vice President Mike
Pence had the constitutional authority to set aside the electoral votes of
states Trump claims were stolen from him in the 2020 election. It includes his recent bizarre obsession with
annexing Canada; his insistence that Greenland too must be taken over by the
U.S., possibly even by military force; his mad scheme to take ownership of the
intractable Israel-Palestine conflict and forcibly relocate millions of Gazans;
and his flirtation with seeking a third term, despite this being manifestly contrary
to the constitution. These are not the
sorts of moves one would expect of a wise statesman motivated by concern for the
common good. But they are perfectly
consistent with what one would expect of a prideful
and vainglorious man whose cult of personality
has blinded him to normal standards of decency and reasonableness. Any reader of Plato and Aristotle will also
recognize in them the marks of the sort of demagogue who tends to arise in the
late stages of a democracy.
It is possible that Trump’s arrogance will lead him to persist with his tariff policy no matter how destructive it may end up being, under the delusion that it simply must work in the long run, no matter how long or deeply the country has to suffer. It is also perfectly possible that his sense of what is needed for self-preservation will lead him to change course. If it does, we can expect him and his most ardent followers to declare vindication, as they always do no matter what the outcome. But if the market recovers and a recession is avoided, that will not magically remove the grave defects with the plan and its execution that I’ve been describing here. If I accidentally fire a gun in your direction but miss, it doesn’t mean that I didn’t put your life at risk, much less that I did something you should thank me for.
You could be right of course. I note however that Peter Zeihan in his recent videos broadly agrees stating that globalization is already dead, tariffs will be an important weapon in the future and he'd rather see it tested by a poor administration than by a competent one .
ReplyDeleteYou really don't need political economy (which is for literal children) to know that David Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage is bullshit.
ReplyDeleteAsk any Caucasian math major whether he wants to get a Ph.D. The answer is: why bother? He's already outstripped by the white Japanese competition.
Comparative advantage is F not T. The free market wants to sell unsellable garbage (Caucasian men) if the price is right!
Excellent commentary on this very complex and delicate subject Professor ! I have been sharing your thoughts on this issue on a daily basis and I completely agree.
ReplyDelete1.) Having said that, I would like to draw people's attention to this rather heart breaking post on X about how American sellers on Amazon were completely destroyed by the unfair practices of Chinese Sellers, and how the American sellers were sold out by Amazon.
https://x.com/BowTiedBroke/status/1908131416698728850?t=2Q80SvEeE2Pc3NcrDHnuzQ&s=19
There seems to be a substantial group of people who have been wronged in this way and even though these tariffs aren't the best way to go about it. At some point there will have to be a reckoning to preventing situations such as this.
2. That brings me to the second point, I think this post could have also covered why using these Tariffs as a negotiation strategy would also be wrong. Commentators like Oren Cass have suggested that apart from China which could remain, the tariffs on other countries are meant to be a negotiation tool which may be removed in the coming days.
I think you would probably object to this based on the sheer uncertainty that would be caused by threatening it in the first place. If something is wrong to impose (in this case given the particular circumstances), it is wrong to threaten it as well. I just thought this would be worth mentioning.
3.And that brings me to the third point, Would you allow for a an aggressive approach atleast towards China, Prof ? Perhaps not exactly at this point of time and not in the haphazard way it is currently being carried out. But it is acknowledged that decoupling from China will have to be done at some point, And there is always going to be negative consequences resulting from it. At what point would it be legitimate to say that we have to go through some of that pain for some the long term gain.
I am just speculating, but perhaps this imprudent action has been taken at this point of time, for fear that if it was done at a later time, the targets might just try to wait it out, I think that it would be fair to say that wall street would encourage the same kind of panic and hysteria even at a reasonably implemented policy, this attitude has no doubt been fermented by libertarians on the right over the last few decades nevertheless, I think you should suggest some moral framework for dealing with wall street hysteria as well, perhaps something to the effect of "the lesser the stated policy hurts the common person personally (401k etc), the safer we are to implement the policy", Would that sound reasonable enough to you, Prof ? Albeit there will be some hurt.
The current emphasis on targetting everyone though doesn't make sense especially since it pressures friendly countries like India who just may be key to decoupling from China by allowing American companies to set up shop over there.
90 day pause on tariffs has been announced except for China. Other countries will be negotiating a trade deal in the months to come.
DeletePoint 2 which I made seems pertinent here. Oren seems to be able to predict the direction of the steps of this administration quite well.
I don't agree with the way in which this whole operation has been carried out though. And I agree with Prof when he says.
"It is also perfectly possible that his sense of what is needed for self-preservation will lead him to change course. If it does, we can expect him and his most ardent followers to declare vindication, as they always do no matter what the outcome. "
Hi Prof
DeleteI see on twitter, that there was predictability to whether the tariffs would be off.
I respectfully disagree.
I agree with you that it would be wrong to bargain in this way anyways.
But if you go through this post from Oren Cass,
https://x.com/oren_cass/status/1908564074037743918?t=IM2uYlAsrqjcZkm3tzHdOw&s=19
I think it would be fair to say that there was some predictability atleast to someone with more insight into the ideological direction of this Govt's policies.
He wrote on the above post
"The 10% Global Tariff. Looks like (and should be) permanent. Offers a stable and substantial source of revenue. Not clear the route by which it might be removed. Country-specific tariffs, which we’ll get to, can be negotiated on a country-by-country basis."
Wouldn't this suggest that there was some predictability even if overall poorly done.
Thanks Professor. Even if I am in favor of tariffs, you bring points worth considering to the table. As you say, this is an issue of prudence, not market principles. Ultimately, I hope tariffs are simply part of an overall agenda to strengthen America.
ReplyDeleteBut I must admit that I'm not sure what the end goal of these tariffs are, specifically. I've heard a few floated:
1) A push toward re-industrializing the U.S.
2) A push toward freeing global markets.
3) A push toward low interest rates to refinance debt.
If the tariffs are toward end 1, then they should be accompanied by government spending on infrastructure, research, education, and so forth as part of a multilateral plan.
If the tariffs are toward end 2, then negotiations should be to drop tariffs globally, so that trade can operate more freely worldwide.
If the tariffs are toward end 3, then market chaos is part of the point. This is scary, as it is playing with a system that we have encouraged and forced Americans to buy into for the last century. But something does have to be done with our ballooning debt and debt-fueled economy.
But if the end goal is simply to have trade equilibrium with other countries, as you point out this makes little sense given our trade with both large and small economies.
1 and 3 need to happen. COVID showed the danger of offshore essential production. And we are racing toward a completely fake and unsustainable growth economy, built on debt and the ideology of constant growth, bound to crash as population declines. Are tariffs the best way to accomplish this? Well, I think they need to be accompanied by other targeted action. But at the end of the day it's a prudential decision.
I don't think Trump is acting completely out of the bounds of prudence, certainly nothing I would call draconian. But I suppose reasonable minds can differ.
This is an excellent post. I am amazed that you have ready so many references from political, economic, and Catholic social thinkers on tariffs and are able to produce them so readily at a time when this topic is at the forefront of people's minds.
ReplyDeletePatrick Deenen wrote:
"focused especially on protecting national manufacture of essential goods such as pharmaceuticals and basic materials."
Over the long term, I suspect that the tariffs will remain in place on precisely these items to protect the country with regard to pharmaceuticals and China and to strengthen manufacturing that supports those that don't have the more leisurely work that occurs sitting on one's duff behind a computer. I think that Trump is concerned precisely about these folks and I find that refreshing.
It does seem to me that the scope of the tariffs if they remained this broad over the long term would be a problem. However, I don't think that they will remain as broad as they currently are as countries who will be more affected by the tariffs than the united states will come to negotiate whatever points need to be addressed with the trade imbalance.
Regarding the timing of the tariffs, those that are affected are those that have retirement assets. However, many of those with modest retirement assets can also annuitize those assets to try to maximize their income and in many cases that income--but not their ending balance for estate purposes--is guaranteed. As an FA, I see folks with retirement assets ranging from modest to quite wealthy. Those with even modest assets are not hurting from the recent drop and can ride out a temporary drop in assets by drawing from the bonds in their portfolio. They could not handle markets being down for years, but this has been a sharp drop over a period of days. That sort of a time period is a blip in retirement planning. So I am not worried about retirees from that little blip.
What I am worried about and what Catholic social teaching would have us be worried about are the working class who--unlike myself and our kind blog host--do not get to make money by sitting at a desk or standing to speak. I think that such jobs should be valued in our country and that tariffs to protect industries is one way to do that.
Regarding inflation, this spiked in 2021 due to Biden sending out a massive amount of money needlessly. There were other causes but that was a major stimulus for inflation that made it significantly worse (and sticky) for no good reason. Tariffs that remain in place will drive up prices and in some instances (Pharmaceutical; manufacturing) it will be worth it because it will protect us from being at the mercy of countries that don't have our best interest in mind (China) and it will provide jobs for those that work with their hands. Sounds good to me and hopefully more to write soon.
Dear Dr. Feser,
ReplyDeleteYou wrote:
"The policy focuses on trade imbalances, but a trade imbalance is not by itself necessarily harmful. For example, a very poor country is bound to buy less from the wealthy United States than the U.S. buys from it. But this no more entails that the U.S. is getting “screwed” by the poor country than the fact that a rich man buys more from a poor shopkeeper than the latter buys from the former entails that the shopkeeper is “screwing” the rich man. Yet tiny Lesotho is being hit with a 50% tariff that will inflict vastly more economic damage on its people than any “harm” Lesotho could ever be imagined to have inflicted on the U.S."
Right. The moral argument based on a trade imbalance has no force at all in relation to poorer countries that produce goods that we buy. This was extremely well put and I don't see how anyone could avoid the conclusion that this just does not work as an argument in support of tariffs across the board.
However, I think a country could reasonably set a goal to establish reciprocal trade with countries that are allies and also have a large economy where there can be reciprocity that is proportionate to the respective economies. That seems to me a good goal.
"It is said that the tariffs will bring back lost manufacturing jobs. But a tariff cannot by itself do that. If an industry already exists, protectionist policies like tariffs can shield it from foreign competition. But if the industry no longer exists, a tariff won’t necessarily bring it back to life, any more than putting a bulletproof vest on a corpse will resuscitate it. To be sure, the tariff may be among the conditions that make it easier for the industry to revive. But other conditions (such as the relevant infrastructure and skilled labor) need to be put in place as well, and even when this is possible it can take many years. There is also the fact that a tariff that on the surface appears to help American manufacturers can in fact hurt them. If the product a U.S. manufacturer makes requires components that have to be imported from outside the U.S., then a tariff on those foreign components will drive costs up. And there may be no domestic supplier that can replace the foreign one."
ReplyDeleteOkay. This is well put too. Renewal of trade industry requires a renewal of trade schools and skilled labor which cannot happen overnight.
"The point is that a tariff policy as ambitious and risky as Trump’s should be thought out extremely carefully, and this one is instead haphazard and reckless."
ReplyDeleteThere is a possibility that this particular claim does not take into account: there is a plan and the plan has not been publicly broadcasted. Not having a plan and not communicating the plan to the general public is not the same thing. Some plans require that they are not public knowledge. Plans intended to lead to negotiation are of course, by their very nature, unable to be predetermined. Even if there were certain end goals in mind with certain countries, you can't forecast that if you intend to negotiate with some level of openness to what they propose in response to what you judge to be a problem.
Yes indeed. While economies should be as diversified and autarchic as possible, this won't happen overnight. A traumatic, irrational tariff regime, Like a world war, or economic collapse, will eventually see local industries revive. But who would engineer such a crisis merely to achieve that? As the post points out, it is unbridled power that is real objective and perhaps the real worry. Piracy thrives on chaos. Breaking down existing structures won't clear the way for "freedom" in this case. But it will allow Musk and his "Dark Enlightenment" mates to advance very quickly. Ideally, there shouldbe, not just national tarriffs, but local ones as well. That would be the old subsidiarity at work, but this requires the rejection of ideology.
ReplyDeleteMaybe there was a justification for the U.S.A. tariff policy in the Marshall plan for a few years but it should have ended in the early 50s. NAFTA was disastrous, admitting China to most favored nation status was even more catastrophic. These destroyed the industrial base in the U.S.A. where there was, prior to that, a semblance of what Rerum Novarum called for in terms of paying workers reasonably. We have to stop subsidizing abominable working conditions in China and other places. Perhaps a traumatic, irrational tariff regime will accomplish this even if done by someone for vainglorious reasons.
DeleteAmong the many problems with the tariff policy outlined by Dr Feser.. There are a large number of ideas that Team Trump is peddling that are simply false.
ReplyDeleteManufacturing is the highest per capita in the world and is about 16-18% of the worlds output with only 4.23% of the Worlds population. The US focuses on the manufacture of complex goods involving higher technology ( aerospace, advanced pharmaceuticals) and not so much older simpler goods such as textiles.. We have a trade imbalance in the same way that a neurosurgeon has a trade imbalance with his grocery store.
The stock market is not just a problem for rich people but aside from the college savings in 529s and the retirement savings in IRA and 401K accounts being decimated, the response of investors is a prediction of what they think is likely to happen. It would not be dropping if they believed this was going to cause good things to happen economically. Those people on Fox and within the Republican party who are cheerleading for him are not doing Trump a service because they are likely letting him risk destroying his Presidency and the damaging the country. The Democrats no doubt hope for an economic catastrophe much as they appeared to delight in COVID as a vehicle to return to power and enact their agenda including the ruinous social agenda. I would note if this was not true they could work with the group of Republicans who are skeptical of these measures to take back these "emergency powers" as Dr Feser points out ordinary tariff power is in the hands of Congress ( Article 1 Section 8) . The fact that this can obviously be stopped and few in Congress seem willing to actually flex the power they have, tells you that the Republicans are showing either cowardice or stupidity and the Democrats are demonstrating wickedness.. Once again we have the battle between the stupid party and the evil party.
First of all, that lockdowns work and are not “delaying the inevitable” if obeyed is a matter of simple math a child can understand. And by “ruinous social policy” what do you mean? Respecting the rights and dignity of LGBT people?
DeleteAnd by “ruinous social policy” what do you mean?
DeleteTry: incentivizing fatherless child-rearing, drug addiction. Also, incentivizing pursuit of mindless "studies" degrees with no real-world economic value.
Ed, I would be careful about leaving the country anytime soon. Upon your return, you might get detained and questioned by Customs officials about your subversive comments regarding President Trump's tariff policy as well as your criticism of him in general.
ReplyDeleteThat, of course, was said in jest, but I am more concerned about our slide towards authoritarianism, like here at this airport:
Deletehttps://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2025/04/08/dearborn-attorney-says-federal-agents-detained-him-at-detroit-airport/82985597007/
So, is this more or less worrisome than the DOJ Secretary siccing the FBI on Catholic parents for believing in Catholicism?
DeleteNot correct
Deletehttps://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-does-fbi-flag-parents-who-go-to-school-board-meetings/20670760/
I am far more worried about Congress not passing a bill that will get tax cuts through and eventually putting the DOGE spending cuts into the next budget. If those things do happen, the tariffs won't do any major harm.
ReplyDeleteTax cuts for whom?
Delete"The second problem with the execution of Trump’s tariff policy concerns its dubious legality."
ReplyDeleteNo one writing on this topic here is a legal expert. So this comment is about as helpful as an attorney writing on his blog that arguments for the existence of God are disputed.
"It is Congress, rather than the president, that has primary authority over tariff policy, and it is implausible to suppose that it has delegated to him authority to impose a tariff policy as draconian as the one announced."
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48435
"Several statutes authorizing the President or an executive agency to impose tariffs under various circumstances are currently in effect. This report includes a legal overview of six such statutes: Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962; Sections 122, 201, and 301 of the Trade Act of 1974; Section 338 of the Tariff Act of 1930; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977."
So, *according to congress itself*, the conditions ARE in place. More than this many of the acts are committed to the President's discretion and are unreviewable by the Courts.
While the Federal Circuit reviews claims that the President acted outside the scope of his statutory tariff authorities for "clear misconstruction" of those authorities, it has held that certain presidential decisions are not reviewable at all. In Maple Leaf, for instance, the court noted that "'the President's findings of fact and the motivations for his action are not subject to review.'" (Again from the same Congress.gov website)
Important here is that the court's prudently avoid making judgments on the President's intentions and it would be both prudent--not to mention charitable--for those that think they have some privileged access to those intentions to stop imagining that this is the case. Also important is that findings of fact are not subject to review. So the conditions under which tariffs can be applied are at the sole discretion of the President's findings. That is of course a broad discretion and a broad level of authority that the President actually has and this shows the reason that we should be circumspect weighing in on disciplines that are not our own particularly if we are doing to show impatience with those that weigh in on disciplines that we do know and who do so incompetently.
Note that section 232 and 201 from the website spefically address tariffs that safeguard US industries and those that protect national security. Note also that they can be imposed for trade agreement violations (section 301) and discrimination against the United States (section 338) which can be a means to leverage negotiations (although it seems it has not been explicitly referenced for tariff policy up to this point; despite this it is there and could be used for this purpose).
So in sum according to the site from congress that addresses this question, the tariffs ARE legal. Disputed? Yes. Facing lawsuits? Yes. But the legal experts advising Trump are telling him that they are legal and he is not getting universal opposition from his party as though what he were doing had no legal basis. It does.
So weighing these matters requires knowledge in law that no one here has. It seems to me from actually reading what congress.gov has said about the tariffs that they are CLEARLY legal. The only basis for opposing SOME of them might be in particular cases due to their scope. Fine. Get into the details if that is how you want to spend your time, but it is irresponsible to make sweeping legal claims when you lack the competency for such claims.
"While the Federal Circuit reviews claims that the President acted outside the scope of his statutory tariff authorities for "clear misconstruction" of those authorities, it has held that certain presidential decisions are not reviewable at all. In Maple Leaf, for instance, the court noted that "'the President's findings of fact and the motivations for his action are not subject to review.'"
Yes, this is perhaps Feser's weakest point. Perhaps a reading of Vermeule would help settle this.
Delete"No one writing on this topic here is a legal expert."
DeleteGood thing I linked to a legal expert, then.
Right and they disagree with one another and you have selected one that says something that sounds good to you without having sufficient expertise to analyze what they are saying and the merit of their arguments vis-a-vis their opponents. I have provided a reference to what congress.gov says explicitly about the tariffs which contradicts some of the sweeping claims that are made in this post.
DeleteIn other words, someone in the post was a legal expert, and now you have to change your rationalization?
DeleteJordan,
DeleteI didn't change anything. I stated that "no one writing on this topic here is a legal expert" and no who writes here is. Dr. Feser recognizes that point but also notes that he appealed to the authority of a legal expert which makes my point irrelevant.
My response to his response was that it doesn't make the point irrelevant. Finding someone with a JD or Phd that agrees with one's views on just about anything is possible and those that work in academia are aware of this.
To competently and effectively appeal to authorities you have to know a field, prominent figures and movements—i.e. whose most authoritative on what, and know who might offer the strongest counter arguments. This requires more than just finding someone who agrees with your non-expert view of things. It requires having some level of competency in the field. Otherwise, you are just cherry picking what sounds good to you.
Now someone who is not an expert in a field in general can take the time to learn about aspects of it and develop such competency, but that is extremely difficult with law because you don't just need to know theoretical distinctions (e.g. between positive and natural law,) you have to know relevant case law and statutes (On this topic, it would require at least being aware of congress' summary of the relevant case law and statutes in the congress.gov site I linked). That a whole lot of independent digging.
So someone can effectively appeal to authority if he can measure the weight of that authority vis-a-vis other authorities that are offering opposing views and also have JDs or Phds. This requires more than locating a single scholar who says something that sounds good to me when I have little understanding of his field.
I agree with Prof. that a big part of this tariff uproar is that a prideful and vainglorious man enjoys causing uproars and receiving all the attention sparked by the uproar he has caused.
ReplyDeleteNow and again some reader will say something like "How dare you accuse him of egotism! Can you read his mind?"
DeleteThat's when you know you're really dealing with a nut. It's like asking "Where do you get off accusing Hugh Hefner of lechery?"
So establishing tariffs is as clearly motivated by pride as setting up the playboy mansion is motivated by lust? And where on the "nut job scale" does someone fall who states that we should distinguish between intentions and acts showing care about judging the former as freely as we just the latter? And the multiple passages from Scripture that speak about the opacity of the heart and that God alone knows the heart, where on the "nut job scale" do those fall?
DeleteSt. Francis de Sales writes in On the Devout Life:
Delete“’Judge not, and ye shall not be judged,’ said the Saviour of our souls; ‘condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:’ and the Apostle Saint Paul, ‘Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, Who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts.’ Of a truth, hasty judgments are most displeasing to God, and men’s judgments are hasty, because we are not judges one of another, and by judging we usurp our Lord’s own office. Man’s judgment is hasty, because the chief malice of sin lies in the intention and counsel of the heart, which is shrouded in darkness to us.
The idea of giving a favorable interpretation to acts that can be read in this way is another principle of Catholic charity as numerous Saints note:
Again De Sales:
“And so ought we always to judge our neighbor as charitably as may be; and if his actions are many-sided, we should accept the best. Again, when Saint Joseph found that the Blessed Virgin was with child, knowing her to be pure and holy, he could not believe that there was any sin in her, and he left all judgment to God, although there was strong presumptive evidence on which to condemn her. And the Holy Spirit speaks of Saint Joseph as ‘a just man.’ When a just man cannot see any excuse for what is done by a person in whose general worth he believes, he still refrains from judging him, and leaves all to God’s Judgment. Again, our Crucified Savior, while He could not wholly ignore the sin of those who Crucified Him, yet made what excuse He might for them, pleading their ignorance. And so when we cannot find any excuse for sin, let us at least claim what compassion we may for it, and impute it to the least damaging motives we can find, as ignorance or infirmity.”
Likewise Jerome:
“In this place, nothing more is meant than that we should always interpret our neighbor’s actions in the most favorable light. God permits us to judge of such actions as cannot be done with a right intention, as murder. As to indifferent actions, we must always judge in the most favorable sense. There are two things in which we must be particularly on our guard: 1. With what intention such an action was done. 2. Whether the person who appears wicked will not become good.”
“Moreover, man’s judgments are hasty, because each one has enough to do in judging himself, without undertaking to judge his neighbor. If we would not be judged, it behooves us alike not to judge others, and to judge ourselves. Our Lord forbids the one, His Apostle enjoins the other, saying, ‘If we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.’ But alas! for the most part we precisely reverse these precepts, judging our neighbor, which is forbidden on all sides, while rarely judging ourselves, as we are told to do.”
St. Ignatius of Loyola is famous for this principle of charitable interpretation. So taking actions that are not inherently evil like imposing tariffs and pretending like you know that they are motivated by the evil intention of pride is both unreasonable and unchristian. Something worth correcting.
In John 7:24, Jesus says "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
DeleteSo, he intends that we judge with right judgment.
In order to work out the application of the two sayings that are in tension, a distinction must be made: in order to ACT well in complex situations that depend much on the character of another, it is not only OK but necessary to make a KIND of a judgment of the other's character. If he is rash, or at least appears to be rash, you act one way. If he is temperate, or appears so, you act another way. If he is of loyal character, you would decide X, but if his character is of disloyalty to comrades, you would do Y. Prudence requires these judgments all the time. If candidate X is a truth-teller, you will vote for him because his stated policies are good, but if he is a liar, you would vote against him. If your child did something out of real malice, you will discipline him one way, but if he did it out of mere self-seeking absorption, you do it a different way. If you are a cop, you judge something about the driver in order to decide whether to give him a ticket or a warning. The virtue of prudence involves judgments all day long.
But none of these "judgments" imply that you are deciding definitively and for all time the person's soul. You are not saying that you can see his soul, and you are not deciding his eternal welfare. You know that there are (or may be) other causes for his actions than the reasons you can see. This makes your judgment provisional, tentative, and open to correction. And you refrain from making even these - albeit provisional - where you have no need to have a judgment. And even if you make a severe judgment about someone's character because prudence requires it, you do not condemn them as if you had their soul in your hands: no, you pray that they will turn and be restored to right action.
As to political matters: in a democratic republic like ours, we are part of "the ruling class" because it is our votes that determines the elected officials, and then our vigilance that is supposed to restrain those from wrongful behavior. Thus we are certainly called on to continue to make those (provisional) judgments, insofar as necessary to carry out our office of citizen, whereby we estimate and discern from their outward actions what their inward condition may be, in order to prudently act either to support them or restrain them insofar as we have ability to do so.
Tony,
DeleteI appreciate your comment and hope to have more time to interact later. For now, I will just note that I recognize that there are cases where you cannot realistically ascribe a good intention to someone. Acts that are inherently evil are good examples. However, when acts are *not* inherently evil AND can easily be read as motivated by a good intention (or at least ascribed to ignorance), it is contrary to what is taught in Scripture as read by the Saints quoted above to ascribe an evil intention to that act. Both are in conflict with the various teachings of Scripture on the opacity of the heart known to God alone and on the warnings not to judge as read by the Saints noted above.
"But none of these "judgments" imply that you are deciding definitively and for all time the person's soul. You are not saying that you can see his soul, and you are not deciding his eternal welfare. You know that there are (or may be) other causes for his actions than the reasons you can see. This makes your judgment provisional, tentative, and open to correction. And you refrain from making even these - albeit provisional - where you have no need to have a judgment. And even if you make a severe judgment about someone's character because prudence requires it, you do not condemn them as if you had their soul in your hands: no, you pray that they will turn and be restored to right action."
DeleteRight and well said.
"As to political matters: in a democratic republic like ours, we are part of "the ruling class" because it is our votes that determines the elected officials, and then our vigilance that is supposed to restrain those from wrongful behavior."
Right.
"Thus we are certainly called on to continue to make those (provisional) judgments, insofar as necessary to carry out our office of citizen, whereby we estimate and discern from their outward actions what their inward condition may be, in order to prudently act either to support them or restrain them insofar as we have ability to do so."
This is where I think that there are problems. I can judge aspects of a tariff policy as imprudent without stating that the person that proposed the policies is motivated by pride. The latter judgement simply is neither necessary to judge an act imprudent nor demonstrated by the existence of an imprudent act. So for example, tariffs applied to poor countries on the basis of a trade imbalance are not reasonable as Dr. Feser has said. However, recognizing this doesn't require that I say that the inclusion of smaller countries in the blanket tariffs was motivated by pride. I can note that those smaller countries are not the primary target of the tariffs precisely for the reason that trade adjustments with them would make little difference for our economy; they were merely included in a blanket list that was meant to reset trade in general and were not the specific targets of someone's malice. So I can recognize that tariffs should not be included in a tariff policy whose rational is motivated by a trade imbalance and I can make this recognition without maligning someone's intentions. Such an approach preserves both prudence and one's soul by not unnecessarily and unreasonably maligning someone's intentions.
While there are a great many places where there is no need to judge motives, there remain cases where that is part of our role. For instance, the crime of fraud has intention built into the definition: it is necessary for a jury to decide, on the basis of the evidence given, whether the defendant knowingly intended to cheat the customer. Similarly, in deciding on the penalty for a person they just convicted of a crime, they have a range of penalties within which the crime allows some leeway, and it is part of their duty (in those places where the jury assigns the penalty, e.g. in VA) to assess the conditions that speak to harsher or softer penalty, and those conditions include the convict's state of mind and heart. Indications of hubris or entitlement will lead them in one direction, whereas indications of humility and remorse in another. These are necessary judgments.
DeleteI agree that often when we judge something like a rule or a policy, there is no call to also judge the motives of a person involved. For example, there is usually no need to ascribe to government employees (e.g. the clerk at the DMV, or the guard at the corrections facility) any particular motives in carrying out some task or policy.
But the same cannot be said of the policy-makers themselves, and especially not those for whom the assessment of whether they are worthy of office includes a judgment of their character. This holds especially for candidates for whom there will be many choices in front of them other than the specific policy platform planks they have enunciated, and for whom there will be many different ways of effecting a policy they campaigned on, some more given to personal benefit and some not.
I voted for Trump, even though I knew that his past behaviors speak loudly of a man filled with vainglory. (Maybe he isn't vain, but that's what his actions speak of.) I did so expecting that his character as - probably - proud and vain will diminish the good he will achieve, more likely than not. I would still do so, now that I have seen actions which I consider still speak to those same traits, and we have seen ways in which his behaviors that seem proud have caused (some) defects and failures in his initial efforts. Those flaws are hurting the country. I would be nothing but delighted if upon my death I discover that in God's eyes Trump is and has been a truly good and humble man, but that discovery would not re-arrange the mistakes he has done so that they aren't harming the country.
I don't claim to know whether the tariffs - as implemented - ultimately will be a good idea or not. I would not attempt to judge - even where I need to make a judgment - about a person's character on the basis of one policy or action (other than where that is intrinsically evil, as you mention), and certainly not on the basis of one policy for which highly knowledgeable men have differences of opinion. I normally would look to many long strings of actions, and the way they are chosen and carried out. But if, on the basis of that much larger evidence, I can also point to a way this one current action fits well into a pattern, I might point that out. For me, tariffs doesn't do it.
Some of the tariffs on smaller countries and uninhabited islands with only penguins and seals are to close ridiculous loop holes. So I would not immediately say that these are imprudent or manifest a lack of charity.
DeleteAs the youngsters say, let the man cook. A little turmoil is okay for a few days. If it goes on for months with no end in sight, then the criticisms will be more justified. For now, I think the best thing is to stay calm and let things play out. I don’t think George Bush is the gold standard of conservative politics, so even if it is a little rocky, I appreciate Trump shaking things up.
Fixating on the tariffs misses the point of the Trump Agenda as much as does the fixation on DOGE efforts. They are tools which work in concert and isolating them is myopic. These complaints are as meaningless as those about Trump's 'mean tweets.'
ReplyDeleteThe aim of the Trump Agenda is the dismantling of the deep state at home and the globalist order abroad, two necessary goals to reach before any substantive and lasting American restoration can be achieved. I believe the DOGE efforts speak for themselves. And the tariffs are already beginning to yield fruit as foreign governments buckle under the pressure. If all goes well, tariffs should be the straw that finally breaks the EU's back. And that will drive a stake into the vampiric heart of globalism.
btw: It's very elitist of you to dismiss our support of Trump as glib and flippant. We're well aware that Trump may fail but seeing as he is the only one to have taken our concerns seriously, we're going to back his play to the hilt. Bring on the chaos! It's preferable to a corrupt & vile 'order.' We will build Back Better, to borrow the former regime's motto.
God help us if Trump fails. As nationalists go, he is 'the good cop.'
Am disgusted. Doesn't matter. Sent a message to the NY Times....probably a deadmail box. Anyway, I told the Times what I thought; gave examples of why I think that way. Yeah.
ReplyDeleteApparently, it is a tariff policy that is thought-out in book length form: https://treeofwoe.substack.com/p/balanced-trade
ReplyDeleteExcellent post, which I have shared. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI have to say, I don't think "postliberalism" is a very descriptive term for your (or anybody's) political philosophy. Many things could be postliberal -- Communism, fascism, distributivism, monarchy, etc., etc. A name for a political philosophy needs to be more descriptive than just saying what it follows in time.
Professor, this is really beneath you. Must every policy difference revert to some 1930s parallel? Can we not get past the rhetorical trope where every international crisis is like Munich, where every populist leader is literally Hitler and every reference to a tariff must lead to the Great Depression? It is the most intellectually lazy thing in the world.
ReplyDeleteTrump's critics are usually wrong, and mainstream economists can boast a 40-year record of continuous failure.
What you miss is that the tariffs effect only a fraction of the economy, since the US makes 85% of what it uses. The tariffs are not uniform, and as we have already seen, massive amounts of countries are choosing negotiation over confrontation. Far from being "draconian and poorly thought out," they are working as designed.
Tariffs are a tax that one can avoid simply by choosing a domestic alternative. Businesses can avoid them by on-shoring and there have been $1.5 trillion in new investment announced since the tariff campaign got started. This specifically includes $20 billion from Hyundai to build a new auto plant as well as a steel mill to support it.
The stock market losses have already been wiped out and I fear this post will age just as badly as your hand-wringing about Trump's right-to-life position. Yes, he downplayed it to take the issue off the table, but his cuts to Planned Parenthood have forced clinics to close across the country. Will you give him any credit for that signal accomplishment?
I explicitly said that "even a policy as extreme as Trump’s need not have such a dire outcome" as the Great Depression. And actually, it is attacking straw men (as you have) that is the most intellectually lazy thing in the world.
DeleteAs to abortion, nothing I have said has "aged badly." He has done relatively small but important things such as reinstate the Mexico City policy, for which I praised him on Twitter. But what matters are the big things I criticized, which have not changed. For example, he reaffirmed his commitment to having the federal government promote IVF. How that plays out remains to be seen, but if he drops it (as I hope he will) the credit will belong to those who held him to account, not those who remained silent for partisan reasons.
DeleteAs to the Planned Parenthood thing, that was explicitly announced as a temporary measure to pressure them into conforming with anti-DEI policy, that's all. Slightly better than nothing from a pro-life POV.
What do you think of people who say DEI hiring doesn't take jobs away from white people. It levels the playing field"?
DeleteI say that if the DEI policy takes 2 people who are, in all OTHER ways equal, but hires a black airline pilot because he is black over a white airline pilot who has undisputably better pilot qualifications, yes, it is "taking jobs away from white people". That might be good in some universe where "taking jobs away from white people" serves justice, but it is still taking jobs away from white people.
DeleteProfessor, please. You said: "And actually, it is attacking straw men (as you have) that is the most intellectually lazy thing in the world."
DeleteWhere is the straw man? You titled this post "On the tariff crisis" and chose a Great Depression headline as your graphic. I criticized you for using lazy 1930s era tropes, which you did.
Your rebuttal is that within 2,900 words of doom and gloom, you included a line admitting that you may be wrong.
But you very much committed to the typical invocation of the 1930s (in this case Smoot-Hawley) to add gravity to your case. It's weak. Cheap rhetoric. If you think Trump makes a mistake, drop the dramatic graphic and lay out your argument in plain language, and omit the gratuitous insults of people who agree with him.
By the way, is Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan spoke out strongly in defense of his tariff policy. What are we to make of this? Has she now become one of his unthinking cultists?
I think it would be wise for you to pause, seek sources of information outside your comfort zone and - please - drop the 1930s motif. It's past its expiration date.
What other points of comparison do you have for the tariffs? There's a reason why the Smoot-Hawley is in use; there hasn't been another time period since then with such steep increases in tariffs.
DeleteIf you don't have a better point of comparison, you can't fault people for pointing to the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.
"It is possible that Trump’s arrogance will lead him to persist with his tariff policy no matter how destructive it may end up being, under the delusion that it simply must work in the long run, no matter how long or deeply the country has to suffer. It is also perfectly possible that his sense of what is needed for self-preservation will lead him to change course."
ReplyDeleteHeads Trump is evil. Tails Trump is evil. Much of this post is balanced and sober but the assumption that regardless of how Trump acts in the future it will be motivated by self love or arrogance is neither reasonable nor Christian. And with that assumption there is a pattern.
You assume you have the competence to adjudicate complex legal questions when you don't. Instead, you have picked a legal expert that supports an opinion you are attracted to when you don't have the competence to adjudicate between opposing positions on the legality of tariffs. Nor does your post reflect having read what congress.gov says about this topic as it clarifies the broad level of support for presidential tariffs under a wide range of circumstances including the current ones and for a wide range of reasons (see the web link I provided). The question of scope is a complex legal question that requires getting into the weeds which is something that this post did not do, but would be required to make an informed judgement on the question of the legality of the application of particular tariffs to particular countries.
You also assume you have the competence to adjudicate complex macroeconomic questions. With my work as an FA, I knew that you were making uninformed judgements about the implications of the recent market drop for retirees yet you offered those points in support of your overall argument.
Along with this, you assume to know not only the fundamental orientation of Trump's character but to know that he will have an evil motivation for whatever decisions he makes regarding Tariffs in the future. So you know not only his most fundamental intentions now (they are not motivated by patriotism but rather by pride), you know that they will be the same in the future. If overconfidence is something you despise in others, why not be more circumspect in offering confident judgements on matters where you lack sufficient knowledge to adjudicate questions that are complex and require expertise that you don't have?
He woke up one day and decided we should call the Gulf of Mexico "The Gulf of America' after 500 years of everyone calling it the Gulf of Mexico. Seems like hubris to me.
DeleteHubris would be suggesting renaming it "the gulf of Trump"; patriotism would be more likely involved in suggesting that something should be renamed after your country. So that isn't a good example. However, let's suppose that it were a good example or that you find some other example of something is motivated by pride. Such an example even if proof positive of hubris would not be proof positive that every single act of this person--tariffs and all-- are dominated by pride. I am criticizing the latter and not the former. The latter would include suggestions that whatever someone does in the future would be motivated by pride. It would be to claim something that you just don't know.
DeleteI would encourage everyone who is inclined to malign Trump's intentions to take the time to read what he said at the prayer breakfast and factor this into their considerations along with the quotes from the Saints I provided about about seeing acts that are not inherently evil (proposing tariffs; not starting the playboy channel as the false analogy goes) in a good light as a matter of charity.
ReplyDelete"But it changed something in me, I feel. I feel even stronger. I believed in God, but I feel much more strongly about it. Something happened."
Michael
DeleteIt's hard to do that when he goes on TV and proclaims himself
"The Father of Fertilisation", such statements whether he eventually acts on them or not does grave damage to the minds of many voters who might think IVF is ok, And would undermine efforts to restrict it in the future given the acceptance his words might cause the procedure to gain, especially when he seems to have a base that blindly agrees with him no matter what.
I don't agree with him on IVF as I have said multiple times here. So I support him (I am a part of his "base"), but I don't do so blindly. I simply happen to think he is sincere even when he is mistaken or even gravely mistaken. More than this, Catholic Tradition makes clear that you should show care in condemning someone at the level of their intentions when their actions are open to being interpreted according to good motives (e.g. patriotism) as the quotes I have provided above from numerous Saints indicate.
Delete"A neglected aspect of the tariff debate is the grave harm the new policy potentially poses to poor countries. A protectionist policy that is necessary to preserve American industries and the local communities they support can be good. A protectionist policy that simply needlessly harms a poor nation is wrong, as the Catholic Church teaches (see the passage below from the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church). And the foolish notion that a trade imbalance is somehow in every case bad yields such policies, as in the case of the crippling 50% tariff threatened against Lesotho, a poor country incapable of buying as much from the U.S. as the U.S. buys from it. “America first” should never entail a “to hell with everyone else” attitude, which is not true patriotism but a jingoistic corruption of patriotism, and evil."
ReplyDeleteAmen and well said. I hope that these particular points catch the attention of the Trump administration in considering how to handle tariffs with poor countries.
"Tarriff Policy" changes, like the weather. And, sure, I remain disgusted.
ReplyDeleteFrom Robert Kuttner
ReplyDelete"IN THE END, TRUMP DECIDED TO BLINK, not because Republican legislators discovered their spines but because financial markets freaked out. And the way that they freaked out is instructive. As stock prices fell, the most important financial market of all, the $28 trillion market for U.S. Treasury securities, began tottering.
And Treasurys began tottering apparently because of a favorite speculative play of hedge funds known as basis trades. The idea is to borrow a vast sum—leverage can be as high as 100-to-1—and then place a huge bet taking advantage of the convergence or divergence between the price of Treasurys and Treasury futures.
But as the stock market collapse spilled over into bond markets and Treasurys began behaving in weird ways, hedge funds began unwinding trades and dumping Treasurys, and other investors followed. As Wall Street moguls warned—and seconded by Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent—that risked not just a stock market crash but a total financial collapse.
So Trump blinked. A couple of important takeaways, neither reassuring:
This affair has perhaps weakened Trump’s ability to wage economic warfare (though for now, he is convinced that he has pulled off a terrific deal). But it’s far from clear whether it has weakened his coalescing dictatorship in any other respects.
DOGE is still wreaking havoc with vital public services; federally sponsored research and public health are still being destroyed, Social Security undermined, civil liberties trampled, and universities intimidated. And Republicans have yet to grow anything resembling a spine.
And while the financial system dodged the most lethal bullet for now, the fact that the market for Treasurys nearly collapsed was one more bitter fruit of extreme financial deregulation in which both parties colluded.
The New Deal regulatory system drastically curtailed playing the stock market on margin, which was one of the causes of the 1920s stock market bubble and crash. But thanks to the profusion of derivatives, there are new forms of margin of which the stock speculators in the 1920s never dreamed.
Basis trades use margin of up to 100-to-1. The recent market collapse deepened when they and other speculators began getting margin calls.
It’s an emblematic pairing—extreme deregulation and incipient dictatorship, creating the conditions for economic collapse. And despite one day of partial relief, those conditions persist.
I have faith in Trump. As religious apologists are always saying, faith isn't blind credulity, it's based on evidence. And the evidence is very much that Trump knows what he is doing. He has (I am told) pretty much stopped illegal immigration in a matter of weeks, something we were also told was a force of nature. And there are many other examples, perhaps most notably his stunning comeback against all received wisdom. Economic protectionism is pretty much his central idea and has been for decades. So, my gut feeling is that he will be vindicated.
ReplyDeleteEvidence? Them why won’t Jesus send down fire from the sky when I pray for it to prove his divinity like for Elijah in the book of kings?
DeleteLuke 4:27.
DeleteThis take should've waited for things to play out. A little more patience would've been good here. I now add you to the list of men of renowned intelligence who panicked. Additionally, you're probably the smartest guy in any room, but you can't be an expert at everything and I think that applies in the present situation.
ReplyDeleteThis is pure hand waving that addresses none of the specific points actually made in the article, none of which has been refuted by events.
Delete"“In a special mix of incompetence and evil, Trump has combined his disastrous implementation of 1930s tariff policies with Stalinesque targeting of political adversaries." ~ Liz Cheney
ReplyDeleteOh, but wait ... it's Liz Cheney talking ...
Dr. Feser, I would recommend a conversation that was recently hosted on the Virginia Politician Nick Freitas' channel. Nick (who is largely libertarian in his economics and doesn't like tariffs) allowed his assistant Christian Heiens (who is something of a post liberal reactionary) to explain in depth what the impact of these tariffs are and why they should remain in place. It is his (well argued) opinion that these tariffs will save our dollar from catastrophic hyperinflation caused by decades of trade deficits and a ballooning national debt. It's an argument very much worth your consideration.
ReplyDeleteOne of the key papers that relates to this argument is Lyn Alden's "Why Trade Deficits Matter"
Delete(Rerum Novarum is a Latin phrase that means "burn it all down".)
ReplyDelete"Even Russians soured on globalization faster than American voters, who bought sales pitches first from Republicans, then Democrats about free trade deals bringing better standards of living in the long run. As for lost manufacturing jobs, they were told not to worry: anyone “legitimately displaced” by new policies would be eligible for retraining.
It seemed obvious that NAFTA, the WTO, and the extension of cushy trade arrangements with China and other unfree labor zones were a gigantic end-run around American labor, safety, and environmental laws. It was an asset-stripping scheme, designed to help CEOs boost their share prices by cutting costs of American parts, labor, and regulatory compliance from their bottom lines.* There seemed nothing complicated about this, except the marketing challenge. How could corporate management convince Americans, who fought for so long to scrape their way into the middle class, that it was in their interest to compete against countries that didn’t have to follow any of the same rules we did?
One or the other version of this argument would continue to be floated to American voters for decades, despite year-after-year monster increases in America’s trade imbalance, not just with China but with most of the world.
We were continually told a new service-sector paradise would replace the anachronism of manufacturing. “What’s happening in manufacturing had its counterpart 50 years ago in agriculture,” Michael L. Wachter, a UPenn economist, told the New York Times. “These deindustrialization guys must have had counterparts saying that the American economy is dying because there are not enough people on farms.”
Something big was coming to replace those old factories, and we were told over and about the benefits of access to the “biggest market in the world.” True, previous efforts to gain access to China had ended in tears, but this time it was different, because as the MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour put it in 1994, “after decades of denial and deprivation, the Chinese have money and are ready to shop”.
...On this issue, what choice is there? The global economy created by both parties from the eighties onward was not only designed to be a giant predatory clusterf--k, but nearly impossible to unwind. Forget “incrementally,” it’s got to be exploded. Would more of the same and a slow death be better? ("Burn it all down," by Matt Taibbi over at Racket News)
No, it doesn't. "Rerum Novarum" means "on Revolutionary Change", as in "addressing the recent revolutionary changes". Interpreting that as "burn it all down" is a BIG stretch. Don't try to appropriate Papal statements for your agenda - that certainly wasn't what Pope Leo XIII intended when writing said encyclical.
DeleteTariffs *can* be used as negotiating tools. Tariffs *can* be used to encourage industrial development. But it is nearly impossible to use them for both purposes simultaneously, because those require opposite and incompatible tactics. Using them as negotiating pieces requires a willingness to abandon them on a whim, whereas encouraging investment requires certainty that they will remain in place for the very long term. If I were thinking of building a factory in America, and that factory would only be profitable due to tariffs, well - it could take 2-5 years to build the thing, and another decade to recoup the cost of investment. In that case, investing only makes sense if I can have reasonable confidence that the tariffs will remain in place for at least 12 years, otherwise I am likely to be left holding the bag on something that cost hundreds of millions of dollars. If they could be dropped or lowered at a moment's notice over political wheeling and dealing, investing makes no economic sense.
ReplyDeleteAnyone crowing about the tariff pause should look carefully, there's no reason to be happy about it (unless you bought low, in which case congrats on winning at the Wall Street Casino). Political and economic uncertainty is inherently damaging to the economy, and the constant flip-flopping of policy from Trump has a substantial cost every time he does it. Every one erodes confidence in the stability of American markets and policy, as well as damaging America's credibility internationally. If you get a reputation for being as fickle as the wind, that leads to a loss of trust in you, leading to them requiring more immediate and concrete leverage in order to be willing to deal with you.
ReplyDeletehttps://x.com/PatrickDeneen/status/1910759804143874468?t=2QAt-sElLg-_eI1SI5ORkg&s=19
DeleteFor what it's worth, since Deneen was quoted, it seems that Patrick Deneen himself is rather supportive of these tariffs. And he is a noted authority on the matter at hand.
This comment was meant to stand as an independent comment not a response, my bad.
DeleteIn general, I support the use of tariffs to protect strategic industries, to help ensure living wages for our countrymen, and to help reduce economic disruption and dislocation due to loss of industries to other nations with cheaper labor, but I agree with Prof. Feser that the way Trump has gone about it has been reckless in the extreme (that’s my impression anyway: I have not followed the details closely) and so endangers any sensible tariff policy from ever taking shape in the future.
ReplyDeleteThe book to read on this is Why Free Trade Doesn’t Work: What Should Replace It and Why by Ian Fletcher. I had been a convinced free trader before reading it, and this book caused me to do a 180. He makes a compelling case that the assumptions on which the theory of free trade depends are not reliably true, and without these assumptions, the case for a universal policy of free trade falls apart (Fletcher is not dogmatic though: he recognizes that free trade can be beneficial in particular contexts or situations, it just should not be regarded as an overall general policy). He also makes a convincing historical argument that the adoption of free trade policies led to Great Britain’s decline as an economic superpower in the late 19th and earlier 20th centuries, while the U.S.’s and Germany’s more protectionist policies at the same time helped lead to their economic dominance.
Regarding Smoot-Hawley, Fletcher rejects the idea that it deepened the Great Depression (and we should note that of course it did not cause the Great Depression, given that the stock market crash occurred before it was passed). He writes:
It did not affect enough trade, or raise the tariff by enough, to have plausibly so large an effect. For a start, it only applied to about one-third of America’s trade: about 1.3 percent of GDP. Our average duty on dutiable goods went from 44.6 to 53.2 percent – hardly a radical change. Tariffs as a percentage of total imports were higher in almost every year from 1821 to 1914. America’s tariffs went up in 1861, 1864, 1890, and 1922 without producing global depressions, and the recessions of 1873 and 1893 managed to spread worldwide without tariff increases. …
World trade declined, but almost entirely due to the Depression itself, not tariffs. ‘Notorious’ Smoot-Hawley is a deliberately fabricated myth, plain and simple. Smoot was a moderate and routine adjustment to America’s trade regime, not a major shock to the world trading system. p. 139-140
Trump is declaring all sorts of situations "emergencies" so as to rule by decree and bypass Congress' constitutional role of drafting laws.
DeleteTrump is not our president. He is our king.
DeleteThe policy focuses on trade imbalances, but a trade imbalance is not by itself necessarily harmful. ...
ReplyDeleteAgree that any trade imbalance with any particular country is not necessarily in itself harmful. But an overall and enduring trade imbalance is harmful because it is not sustainable: there are three ways to pay for goods from another country - assets, debt, or goods you produce yourself. A trade imbalance implies that the goods you produce yourself are not sufficient to pay for the imports, so that you are either depleting your assets, which are finite, or using debt to pay for the imbalance, obviously neither of which is sustainable in the long run.
There's some additional nuance here. The figures that Trump used to calculate his tariffs consider goods exclusively and completely ignore the trade in services. I understand that he wishes to reindustrialise, but completely ignoring one of the pillars of the economy is going to generate lopsided figures.
DeleteYes, true, services can also be used to pay for imports. In the U.S., traded services - while high compared to other countries - still only make up a fraction of our total exports.
DeleteProf, I wholeheartedly agree with you that Trump is arrogant. I see his proclivity to sowing chaos as very similar to Pope Francis in this respect, though of course through very different approaches.
ReplyDeleteNevertheless, there was a serious book-length rationale behind this tariff policy, specifically “ Balanced Trade: Ending the Unbearable Cost of America’s Trade Deficits” by three authors all last name Richman. They describe this approach of using the trade imbalance to calculate tariffs as the only strategy from a game theory perspective to get other countries to reconsider their own policies that lead to protectionism/mercantilism. The two substack articles to read about this “Balanced Trade” by the Tree of Woe (https://open.substack.com/pub/treeofwoe/p/balanced-trade) and “MAGA And Tariffs” by Mark (https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/maga-and-tariffs), who comments on the Tree of Woe article, and puts it in the context of Pilkington’s critique and the broader goal of “MAGA”, which arguably includes downsizing the federal government and downsizing the income tax as an instrument toward destroying subsidiarity.
Personally I think the land value tax coined by Henry George and favored by distributists is the best approach to abolishing the income tax, but Trump has decided to focus on tariffs. I think the Richman trio would argue that all of the countries coming to table to negotiate a different trade deal was precisely what was intended by this radical policy. It’s hard to accept the Trump admin on this because it seems self-serving and feels like a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, but it’s precisely what was predicted by the book, published in 2014.
Personally I think the land value tax coined by Henry George and favored by distributists is the best approach to abolishing the income tax, but Trump has decided to focus on tariffs.
DeleteThe land value tax makes a kind of sense in an economy where all or nearly all of the wealth-buliding comes out of the land: farming and mining especially, but also other development that is based on land. But it makes less sense when more of the wealth-building occurs at 3 or 4 removes from the land, and even less so in an economy where many parts of the wealth system are absolutely not tied to land at all, such as internet-based service companies, and other electronic activities. A land value tax as the sole tax forces very unnatural relationships between landowners and all other sources of wealth production not significantly dependent on land, and probably cannot be made into a just system.
The second problem with the land tax as the sole source of tax revenue is that forces ALL landowners to think of their land as meant to produce an economic output - and this includes all homes. This would almost inevitably create intense pressures against individuals owning their own homes and instead everyone renting from landlords. For example, an older, retired worker cannot easily treat his home as an economic wealth-generator now, after he is retired. Even aside from the problem of a tax rise hitting retirees whose homes have increased in value, we Americans generally believe that owning your own home has important social benefits not readily marked on a balance sheet. A system that pushes us toward all land being rented out damages that - and is actually contrary to what distributists want to see, anyway.
Thirdly, the LTV idea is based on the land unimproved to get at how its value has changed not because the owner did something productive, but because society did something that made it more valuable. But we already tax this just fine when the land is sold, in capital gains tax. The LTV tax does this annually instead of when it is sold, true, but that is not very significant, as eventually the land will be sold (generally). The LTV pushes the owner to improve it so that it can generate new wealth to pay the tax, but this means an uninviting pressure toward ever more dense development without end, taller skyscrapers, smaller neighborhood parks, etc.
Thank you Dr. Feser for another very insightful and interesting article. I really appreciate your economic posts, as the Catholic line between libertarian and socialist ideologies can be hard to define for some of us.
ReplyDeleteThere was something I quite didn't understand with the quote from economist Philip Pilkington.
There seems to be an overlooked possibility when Pilkington says:
"This leads us to the second problem. The Trump campaign has signaled a desire to aggressively cut taxes, especially income taxes. Such cuts would drastically boost the spending power of the average American consumer. Yet if, at the same time, the government is restricting access to cheap foreign goods with higher tariffs, too much money will be chasing too few goods. This is a recipe for inflation – perhaps very high inflation."
Pilkington seems to assume that the only goods the excess money could be spent on are physical goods, and that the limitation of such would be a limitation of spending on all goods. But the modern U.S. economy relies heavily on financial goods as well.
It seems that in 2023, for example, the amount of household debt increased to $17.5 trillion dollars (https://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/average-american-debt-statisitics.html)
Why couldn't the increase in spending power simply encourage people to satisfy their debts (since they wouldn't have access to "cheap foreign goods"), increase the stability of the banks, and provide more lending power for the reestablishment of industry that would supply cheap goods?
This seems to be a possibility that Pilkington does not address. Although, the point concerning the necessary length of time to reestablish such would certainly be relevant here.
I am not an economist, so I've clearly missed something. Any clarifying points would be appreciated. That said, I agree with Dr. Feser's points that many of Trump's actions seem a bit reckless, though they are undoubtedly thought provoking.
I wonder if tariffs and other protectionist policies are so bad for the citizens and businesses of the US why do all the other countries in the world have them? Are we the only smart ones?
ReplyDeleteWell the argument wasn't about Tariffs in general but these particular tariffs.
DeleteOther countries around the world do have tariffs, but they are often long standing tariffs reflecting a resolve to protect local manufacturing and supply chains prior opening their markets to other sellers abroad. The benefit is that you retain the manufacturing and supply chain, the drawback is that the people in these countries often have limited choice if the locally manufactured good is substandard and if that particular local manufacturer/producer sells a good that is essential at a high price, the options for the consumers are relatively limited. (One can think of a certain crop that might qualify as a staple diet in certain places and as such is quite essential but in a particular year erratic weather conditions disrupted it's growth which caused a rise in prices just as an example).
The USA on the other hand made a choice to have as many goods as possible with a wide variety of choice even at the cost of local manufacturers. In hindsight this seems like the wrong choice overall, whether it was made by the people or the elites also seems up for debate, I think that both bear some responsibility although I think there's a chance that the people may have been mislead but then again it's just a know fact that Americans like having options and cheap products.
Coming back to the present.The question is how to go about changing this situation, there would have to be a change in culture obviously, are Americans prepared to be a little less materially prosperous for a certain period of time, to really focus on having the essentials to live and being ok without an excess of goods, giving up on leisure to a certain extent etc.
Without taking all this into consideration, the current tariff regime seems ill thought out and could have been phased in rather then directly imposed.
If people react to it adversely at the ballot box, it will spell doom for the entire program.
Unless Trump manages to spark some nation wide movement to mobilize for manufacturing, that the people are ready for short term pain in return for long term gain. I doubt that though. I could be wrong.
Hi Norm,
DeleteI really didn't have much interest in tariffs until this recent controversy, so I wondered what the history of tariff policy in the US has been. I was surprised to find this article at Wikipedia that seems to cover the bases objectively:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tariffs_in_the_United_States
It seems the US has historically favored protectionist policies and rejected free trade until quite recently in history:
The United States rejected David Ricardo's theory of comparative advantage and protected its industry. The country pursued a protectionist policy from the beginning of the 19th century until the middle of the 20th century, after the Second World War.[13][12]
The trade-offs you brought up were well known and discussed by the founders. Jefferson changed his position from free-trader to protectionism after the War of 1812 for instance.
You've mentioned that Americans like having options and cheap products. I suppose everyone does, but there is a price to pay. It appears many working class people would rather have jobs and money to spend rather than little money to buy cheap things and so voted for Trump.
You may be correct that it would be prudent to phase the changes in gradually, but I wonder how that would happen. Trump has been the only proponent of the policy and has had remarkable opposition from both within and without his party. Since mid term elections are coming up in 2026 and he stands to lose his congressional minority and so if he doesn't act now there may never be another chance. If his negotiations work, he will be rewarded at the ballot box and if not he will be punished. I suspect that if he ignored our lack of ability to be nationally self-reliant he would be punished that the ballot box anyway.
Norm said: If people react to it adversely at the ballot box, it will spell doom for the entire program.
Deletebmiller said: Since mid term elections are coming up in 2026 and he stands to lose his congressional minority and so if he doesn't act now there may never be another chance. If his negotiations work, he will be rewarded at the ballot box and if not he will be punished. I suspect that if he ignored our lack of ability to be nationally self-reliant he would be punished that the ballot box anyway.
Both good points.
I follow up with this from Prof. Feser in the OP, quoting Pilkington: convinced that imposing tariffs will also lead to a spontaneous regrowth of industries lost to globalization. Many such industries are highly complex and require skills, know-how, transport infrastructure, and other inputs that take years – maybe even decades – to nurture and develop. If the American government imposes tariffs on key sectors and American businesses have a hard time substituting the goods targeted by the tariffs, the result will simply be a sharp uptick in the price of the goods.
and Anonymous: If I were thinking of building a factory in America, and that factory would only be profitable due to tariffs, well - it could take 2-5 years to build the thing, and another decade to recoup the cost of investment. In that case, investing only makes sense if I can have reasonable confidence that the tariffs will remain in place for at least 12 years, otherwise I am likely to be left holding the bag on something that cost hundreds of millions of dollars.
My thought is that not 1 person in 5, probably a lot less than that, understood that when Trump said "tariffs" he was also saying "increased prices for years". So they will be psychologically unprepared for the quite sharp increases in some products. I doubt that he will be able to explain this away, after hammering Biden on inflation prices. So, I suspect it will be a major factor in both the mid-term election and the next presidential election. Unless Trump can persuade a lot of voters that "no, this is really good for us in the long term", he won't keep a GOP Congress and he probably won't hand off the presidency to Vance. So the tariff policy could be reversed by the next president. Arguably, he would create some resilience to his policy by getting it into law instead of just executive power, but that also means giving up some of his control, which he is loathe to do.
Part of being a statesman is knowing the difference between a policy you can enact that creates benefits even in the short term, and a policy that will create benefits only if followed over a long term, and if the latter, then creating the conditions in which the policy WILL be followed over a long term. This, in our republic, often means generating some sort of bipartisan accord on the issue that is solid enough to withstand hiccups and minor setbacks. This is not Trump's forte.
The other possibility (mentioned above) is that Trump doesn't intend to actually impose most of the tariffs he declared, it was using game theory to maneuver other countries to respond in a way we like. Could be. But that sort of thing comes at a cost. It may be that the long-term costs exceed the gains.
Hi Tony,
DeleteI agree that most people don't understand that tariffs meant "increased prices for years" on some products. But that seems different to me than the across the board Biden inflation on all products. It would be easier to sell if we lived in an America where there was a bi-partisan consensus to do what was best for America first. But as we've seen a good chunk of our citizens think "America First" is some sort of fascism and it is their duty to oppose anything that Trump proposes.
Arguably, he would create some resilience to his policy by getting it into law instead of just executive power, but that also means giving up some of his control, which he is loathe to do.
Since he is so vainglorious wouldn't he want a Trump tariff policy put into law to immortalize his accomplishments?
This, in our republic, often means generating some sort of bipartisan accord on the issue that is solid enough to withstand hiccups and minor setbacks. This is not Trump's forte.
It seems as if it hasn't been anyone's forte. When was the last time there was a Republican president that wasn't considered Evil by the Left?
The other possibility (mentioned above) is that Trump doesn't intend to actually impose most of the tariffs he declared, it was using game theory to maneuver other countries to respond in a way we like. Could be. But that sort of thing comes at a cost. It may be that the long-term costs exceed the gains.
This seems to be what is actually happening isn't it? What would be wrong to strike more balanced trade deals with other countries? Covid showed us the costs of not producing essential items in the US. We now have real-world data to compare the long-term costs of doing nothing to protecting what we consider essential. Are you opposed because you are committed to "free trade" ideologically? Or is it because it is so hard to stomach Trump?
I suppose that Trump considers that he has nothing to lose and much to gain by re-negotiating international trade deals. He would most likely lose one or both houses in the mid-terms. That's just how things go. If he succeeds, then he might have a better chance to keep both houses than if he didn't try. I hope the succeeds for the country, but if he fails things will return to the status quo which I am prepared for.
At this point, just in general, the more I see the adminstration operate in this manner with respect to tariffs and due procedure, I feel all the more certain that the republicans will lose in the midterms, and will lose the general elections.
DeleteWe talked about the legal situation of these tariffs, but when one of the leading legal intellectual figures of this post liberal movement Adrien Vermeule writes
"When the last administration already massively disregarded the law, it makes no sense to worry that what the current one does will somehow license disregard of the law in the future. The issue is instead one of how the law allows past illegality to be undone."
https://x.com/Vermeullarmine/status/1912503605581479994?t=vAT_B391QDfvmrw_65Z6mg&s=19
The first line of that is just so unsettling and preposterous, I don't know any classical natural law theorist who would take someone who says such a thing seriously. That too from a law professor of all people.
Even if we write the tariffs into law, what's to prevent the next democratic administration from saying,
"When the last administration (Trump administration in this case) already massively disregarded the law, it makes no sense to worry that what the current one does will somehow license disregard of the law in the future."
Or even imagine if some central legislation on abortion is passed, the next liberal administration could just say the same thing.
If the executive branch of govt were to disregard the legislative branch, They would effectively putting themselves at war with the legislative branch and just war criteria would kick in. And I don't think it is satisfied in this case because surely there could have been other means and the evil that immediately results from it outweighs any good that is to be achieved, the evil being precisely the spread and promotion of such disregard for the law.
This kind of attitude could undermine credibility for decades on end, setting conservative causes back decades.
It also undermines any defence of Vermeule that other post liberals like Dr Feser have put up because that kind attitude is precisely what critics have been warning about, wilful disregard of the law.
I don't see any hope for post liberalism after this and maybe any conservative gains for a very long time.
The only thing we can say for sure as Catholics is that this life is not the end and the life to come will be more glorious then we could ever imagine, if we obey God.
Have a blessed Holy Week, Friends.
Ed's essay is excellent.
ReplyDeleteTrump's policy of using blanket tariffs to replace tax revenue and revive American manufacturing is pie-in-the-sky utopianism just as George W. Bush's policy of overthrowing Saddam Hussein to remake the Middle East in the image of America was pie-in-the-sky-utopianism.
Then as now, hardcore American conservatives [with a few exceptions, like Pat Buchanan then, Rand Paul now] engaged in constant cheerleading for Bush's utopian, poorly conceived and badly executed policy and condemned all dissenters as un-American and wicked.
For example, when President Chirac rejected Bush's invitation to join the "coalition of the willing" in his crusade to remake the Middle East, cheerleading American conservatives responded by renaming French fries "freedom fries". Today, we're seeing the same hyper-partisan rejection of rational analysis of Trump's utopian tariff policy from conservatives.
As Santayana said, those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Kinda OT kinda not: Trump now announces that Zelensky started the Russia-Ukraine war.
ReplyDelete"You don't start a war against someone 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles," he said at the White House on Monday.
Start a war! Russia invaded.
America should be in the place of that king - because the people are sovereign - demanding, who shall rid us of this meddlesome ____? Prideful and vainglorious is not qualified to be head of state.
After watching this entire Tariffs situation and even the denial of due rights in deportation, my only question is how are you pretty much one of the few critical post liberals on this issue Prof ? Apart from maybe economist Philip Pilkington but you are much more firm in reacting to this.
ReplyDeleteEven though Post liberalism is compatible with all your views, Would you say that some of the impulses of government overreach that you might have been reacting to when you were a libertarian might still be relevant today? Of course you would explain it within a post liberal framework now, as you have done in this post. And I consider my political allignment to be the same as yours. But would you say your libertarian background puts you in a better position to notice some excesses whereas someone who wasn't a libertarian might not be so attuned to those excesses. And this is not to say that there is a necessary connection, but merely circumstantial.
In this post
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-road-from-libertarianism.html
You mentioned,
"I still find many of the pragmatic or prudential arguments powerful -- especially the Hayekian ones -- but they don’t get you to libertarianism per se. "
Would this still hold true for you? Even though your views on other matters might have changed since then ?
Even on this particular issue of tariffs, you made it a point to say that
"The second problem with the execution of Trump’s tariff policy concerns its dubious legality. It is Congress, rather than the president, that has primary authority over tariff policy, and it is implausible to suppose that it has delegated to him authority to impose a tariff policy as draconian as the one announced. It is also risible to pretend that we face some “emergency” that licenses such action, given that the purported emergency is merely the continuation of an economic order that has persisted for decades and through periods of high prosperity, including the period during his first term that Trump takes credit for. What we seem to have here is a textbook case of the demagogic manufacture of an “emergency” to rationalize the acquisition of extraconstitutional power. "
Not that it is libertarian because a libertarian would say that even congress doesn't have the power.
But it does seem like a practical argument that a libertarian would point to in general to highlight government overreach and why there should be checks and balances.
So I am just curious to know if you still find some prudential or practical arguments made by libertarians as relevant today.
It is also risible to pretend that we face some “emergency” that licenses such action, given that the purported emergency is merely the continuation of an economic order that has persisted for decades...What we seem to have here is a textbook case of the demagogic manufacture of an “emergency” to rationalize the acquisition of extraconstitutional power. "
DeleteTrue, it does seem preposterous on its face that the current situation is properly an "emergency".
The Trumpian response is probably that the emergency does not reside specifically in the "economic order" as such, e.g. not capitalism, nor in the current model of global capitalism vaguely described. The at home emergency is made up of the elitism that has been cooked into the modern process of both elections and governing, with government and large entities (corporations, NGO, universities, etc) in bed with each other, (along with edu-ganda system that pushes out mindless liberalism), that has so deformed the voting process that it cannot be trusted. The emergency consists precisely in the fact that this process has been going on for decades, to the point where America is teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, and where the voting process is still teetering on the brink of becoming no better than soviet style elections. These cannot be stopped by more "business as usual", that's part of the problem, it must be treated as an emergency.
The specific part of the "emergency" involving the tariffs is more difficult to state, but (probably) it has to do with how the problem described above has become international through globalism, international corporations and NGOs, the uncontrolled power of groups like the Davos meetings, the UN and its agencies like the WHO pushing liberalism non-stop. Even so it's a vague sort of emergency, since tariffs only work to "fix" the problems it is aimed at only over several years, so the incredible abruptness of their imposition is still not quite explained. That almost certainly can only be explained by the winked-at intention to use threats of tariffs to achieve other diplomatic results.
I think the claimed emergency is tenable for only some portions of the internal US situation, and not at all for the international aspects. I do think that getting reins on Dept. of Justice and FBI is critical, and a few other points. But even there, it isn't necessary to do things in 1 day that could also be done in 5 days with more forethought and legality, and spending 20 days in court for that 1 day of abrupt changes - and finding out the action taken wasn't legal (and would have been known to be illegal if they had just asked a few of the critical people) isn't helping govern well.
Where are the Robert Bellarmines of today?
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