Friday, December 12, 2014

Causality and radioactive decay


At the Catholic blog Vox Nova, mathematics professor David Cruz-Uribe writes:

I… am currently working through the metaphysics of St. Thomas Aquinas as part of his proofs of the existence of God… [S]ome possibly naive counter-examples from quantum mechanics come to mind.  For instance, discussing the principle that nothing can change without being affected externally, I immediately thought of the spontaneous decay of atoms and even of particles (e.g., so-called proton decay).

This might be a very naive question: my knowledge of quantum mechanics is rusty and probably out of date, and I know much, much less about scholastic metaphysics.  So can any of our readers point me to some useful references on this specific topic? 

I’ve discussed this issue before, and one of Cruz-Uribe’s readers directs him to a blog post of mine in which I responded to a version of this sort of objection raised by physicist Robert Oerter.  Unfortunately, the combox discussion that ensues largely consists of a couple of Cruz-Uribe’s readers competing with each other to see who can emit the most squid ink (though Brandon Watson manfully tries to shine some light into the darkness).  One reader starts things out by writing:

Feser’s… argument seems to boil down to saying, “Just because we can’t find a cause for quantum phenomena doesn’t mean there isn’t one.” … Thing is, Bell has shown that you can’t have local unknown variables in quantum events. Bohm’s interpretation would give you the possibility of unknown variables (thus taking out the random, seemingly acausal, aspect), but at the price of locality (in short, such variables would be global, and not tied to a specific location; so you lose any predictability, anyway).

As readers of the post on Oerter know, this essentially just repeats the completely point-missing objection from Oerter that was the subject of the post, while ignoring what I said in the post in reply to the objection!  The combox discussion goes downhill from there, with so many points missed, questions begged and crucial distinctions blurred that you’d think you were reading Jerry Coyne’s blog. 

Cruz-Uribe’s reader accuses me of having a “weak” understanding of the relevant physics, which is why he launches into the mini lesson on Bell and Bohm.  But it’s his reading skills that are weak, since I made it clear in the post that I wasn’t in the first place making any claim about the physics of systems of the sort in question, and thus wasn’t saying anything that could be incompatible with what we know from physics.  In particular, I wasn’t advocating a “hidden variable theory” or the like, but rather making a purely philosophical point about causality that is entirely independent of such theories.

This is one of many factors that hinder fruitful discussion of these topics even with well-meaning people (like Cruz-Uribe) who know some science but know little philosophy.  They constantly translate philosophical claims into the physics terms that they feel more comfortable and familiar with, and proceed to run off at high speed in the wrong direction. 

This is why you really can’t address specific issues like radioactive decay without first doing some general philosophical stage-setting.  For it’s never really the empirical or scientific details that are doing the work in objections to Scholastic metaphysics like the one at issue.  What’s really doing the work is the ton of philosophical baggage that the critics unreflectively bring to bear on the subject -- the assumptions they read into the physics and then read back out again, thinking they’ve raised a “scientific” objection when what they’ve really done is raised a question-begging philosophical objection disguised as a scientific objection.  

(I imagine that educated religious people like Cruz-Uribe and his readers aren’t fooled by this kind of sleight of hand in other scientific contexts.  For instance, I’d wager that they would be unimpressed by arguments to the effect that neuroscience has shown that free will is an illusion.  As I have argued here and here, neuroscience has shown no such thing, and such claims invariably rest not on science but on tendentious philosophical assumptions that have been read into the scientific findings.  But exactly the same thing is true of claims to the effect that quantum mechanics has falsified the principle of causality, or that Newton or Einstein refuted the Aristotelian analysis of change.)

In what follows, then, I will first prepare the ground by calling attention to some common fallacies committed by critics of Scholastic metaphysics who appeal to modern physics -- fallacies some of which are committed by Cruz-Uribe’s readers in the course of their combox discussion.  Anyone wanting to comment intelligently on the subject at hand has to take care to avoid these fallacies.  Second, I will make some general remarks about what a philosophical approach to the subject at hand involves, as opposed to the approach taken by physics.  (I’ve discussed this issue many times before, and indeed did so in a couple of posts -- here and here -- that followed up the post on Oerter that Cruz-Uribe and his readers were discussing.)  Finally, in light of this background I’ll address the specific issue of radioactive decay and causality.

Fads and fallacies in the name of science

So, let’s consider some of the confusions that are rife in discussions of the relationship between physics on the one hand and philosophy (and in particular Scholastic philosophy) on the other:

A. Conflating empirical and metaphysical issues: Those who know some science but not a lot of philosophy very often assume that when a Scholastic philosopher says something about the nature of causality, or substance, or matter, or the like, then he is making a claim that stands or falls with what physics tells us, or at any rate should stand or fall with what physics tells us.  But this is a category mistake.  Scholastic metaphysics is not in competition with physics, but approaches the phenomena at a different (and indeed deeper) level of analysis.  Its claims do not stand or fall with the findings of physics, any more than the claims of arithmetic stand or fall with the findings of physics.  Indeed, like arithmetic, the basic theses of Scholastic metaphysics are (so the Scholastic argues) something any possible physics must presuppose.

Sometimes the critics assume that Scholastic metaphysics is in competition with physics because they are themselves making question-begging metaphysical assumptions.  For instance, they might assume that any rationally justifiable claim about the nature of matter simply must be susceptible of formulation in the mathematical language of physics, or must be susceptible of empirical falsification.  They are essentially making a metaphysics out of physics.  Only physics can tell us anything about the nature of physical reality (so the critic supposes), so any claim about the nature of physical reality is implicitly, even if not explicitly, a claim of physics.  As we will see below, this cannot possibly be right.  Physics cannot even in principle tell us everything there is to know about physical reality (let alone reality more generally).  But even if the assumption in question could be right, it simply begs the question against the Scholastic merely to assert it, since the Scholastic rejects this assumption, and on the basis of arguments that need to be answered rather than ignored (arguments I’ll discuss below). 

Sometimes the conflation of empirical and metaphysical issues is due less to such large-scale philosophical assumptions than to a simple fallacy of equivocation.  Both physicists and Scholastic metaphysicians use terms like “cause,” “matter,” and the like.  A superficial reading therefore often leads critics to assume that they are addressing the same issues, when in fact they are very often not using the key terms in the same sense. 

Sometimes the conflation is due to sheer intellectual sloppiness.  Critics will formulate the issues in ridiculously sweeping terms, making peremptory claims to the effect that “Aristotelianism was refuted by modern science,” for example.  In fact, of course, the labels “Aristotelianism” and “modern science” each cover a large number of distinct and logically independent ideas and arguments, and these need carefully to be disentangled before the question of the relationship between Scholastic metaphysics and modern physics can fruitfully be addressed.  It is no good to say (for example) that since Aristotle’s geocentrism and theory of natural place have been falsified, “therefore” we should not take seriously his theory of act and potency or the account of causality that rests on it.  This is simply a non sequitur.  Such issues are completely independent of one another, logically speaking (regardless of the contingent historical association between them).

B. Conflating genus and species: Even when physicists and Scholastic metaphysicians are using terms in the same sense, critics often confuse what is really only a specific instance of the general class named by a term with the general class itself.  For example, where the notion of “cause” is concerned, Scholastic metaphysicians distinguish between formal, material, efficient, and final causes.  Where efficient causes are concerned, they distinguish between principal and instrumental causes, between series of causes which are essentially ordered and those which are accidentally ordered, and between those which operate simultaneously versus those which are ordered in time.  They distinguish between total causes and partial causes, and between proximate and remote causes.  They regard causality as primarily a feature of substances and only secondarily as a relation between events.  They distinguish between causal powers and the operation of those powers, between active causal power and passive potencies.  And so forth.  All of these distinctions are backed by arguments, and the Scholastic maintains that they are all necessary in order to capture the complexity of causal relations as they exist in the actual world. 

Now, those who criticize Scholastic metaphysics on scientific grounds typically operate with a very narrow understanding of causality.  In particular, they often conceive of it as a deterministic relation holding between temporally separated events.  They will then argue (for example) that quantum mechanics has undermined causality thus understood, and conclude that it has therefore undermined causality full stop.  One problem with this, of course, is that whether quantum mechanics really is incompatible with determinism is a matter of controversy, though as I have said, nothing in the Scholastic position stands or falls with the defensibility of Bohmian hidden variable theories.  The deeper point is that it is simply fallacious to suppose that to undermine one kind of causality (and in one kind of context) is to undermine causality as such.  Certainly it begs the question against the Scholastic, who denies that all causality reduces to deterministic relations holding between temporally separated events.

The conflation of a general class with a specific kind within the general class is evident too in discussions of motion.  Scholastics and other Aristotelians think of motion in general as change, and change as the actualization of potency.  Local motion or change with respect to place or location is just one kind of actualization of a potency, and is metaphysically less fundamental than other kinds.  When motion is discussed in modern physics, however, it is of course local motion that is exclusively in view. 

There is nothing necessarily wrong with this focus, but it would be fallacious to draw, from what modern physics says about “motion” (in the sense of local motion), sweeping conclusions about what Aristotelians say about “motion” (in the sense of the actualization of potency).  This would be to confuse what is true of one kind of change for what is true of change as such.  Yet this kind of fallacious conflation is very common.  Of course, a critic of Scholastic metaphysics might claim that local motion is the only kind of change there really is, but merely to assert this is simply to beg the question against the Scholastic, who has arguments for the claim that local motion cannot be the only kind of change there is.  (I have addressed this particular issue in detail elsewhere, e.g. here and here.)

C. Confusing general principles with specific applications of those principles: When a thinker, whether a philosopher or a scientist, puts forward a general principle, he sometimes illustrates it with examples that later turn out to be deficient.  But it simply doesn’t follow that the general principle itself is mistaken.  For example, people often think of the evolution of the horse as a neat transition from very small animals to ever larger ones, as in the kind of exhibit they might have seen in a natural history museum as a child.  It turns out that things aren’t quite so neat.  There is no hard and fast correlation between the size of a horse and where it appears in the fossil record.  It doesn’t follow, however, that modern horses did not evolve from much smaller animals.  That earlier accounts of the evolution of the horse turn out to be mistaken does not entail that the general principle that horses evolved is mistaken.  (ID enthusiasts are kindly asked to spare us any frantic comments about evolution.  This is not a post about that subject.  It’s just an example.) 

However, though philosophical naturalists never tire of making this point when Darwinism is in question, they suddenly forget it when Aristotelianism or Scholasticism is what is at issue.  For example, Aristotelians defend the reality of final causality -- the idea that natural substances and processes are inherently “directed towards” certain characteristic effects or ranges of effects.  In previous centuries, the idea was often illustrated in terms of Aristotle’s view that heavy objects are naturally directed toward the center of the earth as their “natural place.”  That turns out to be mistaken.  This is often treated as a reason for rejecting the idea of final causality as such, but this simply doesn’t follow.  In general, the deficiencies of this or that illustration of some Scholastic metaphysical thesis are simply not grounds for rejecting the thesis itself.  (I’ve addressed this issue at greater length before, e.g. here, here, and here.)

The limits of physics

So that’s one set of background considerations that must be kept in mind when addressing topics like the one at issue: the begged questions, blurred distinctions, and missed points which  chronically afflict the thinking of those who raise purportedly scientific objections to Scholastic metaphysics.  Let’s move on now to the second set of background considerations, viz. the limits in principle to what physics can tell us about physical reality, and the unavoidability of a deeper metaphysical perspective. 

As I have emphasized many times, what physics gives us is a description of the mathematical structure of physical reality.  It abstracts from any aspect of reality which cannot be captured via its exclusively quantitative methods.  One reason that this is crucial to keep in mind is that from the fact that something doesn’t show up in the description physics gives us, it doesn’t follow that it isn’t there in the physical world.  This is like concluding from the fact that color doesn’t show up in a black and white pen and ink drawing of a banana that bananas must not really be yellow.  It both cases the absence is an artifact of the method employed, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the reality the method is being used to represent.  The method of representing an object using black ink on white paper will necessarily leave out color even if it is there, and the method of representing physical reality using exclusively mathematical language will necessarily leave out any aspect of physical reality which is not reducible to the quantitative, even if such aspects are there.

But it’s not just that such aspects might be there.  They must be there.  The quantitative description physics gives us is essentially a description of mathematical structure.  But mathematical structure by itself is a mere abstraction.  It cannot be all there is, because structure presupposes something concrete which has the structure.  Indeed, physics itself tells us that the abstraction cannot be all there is, since it tells us that some abstract mathematical structures do not fit the actual, concrete material world.  For example, Einstein is commonly taken to have shown that our world is not really Euclidean.  This could only be true if there is some concrete reality that instantiates a non-Euclidean abstract structure rather than a Euclidean abstract structure.  So, physics itself implies that there must be more to the world than the abstract structure it captures in its purely mathematical description, but it does not and cannot tell us exactly what this concrete reality is like. 

That physics by itself only gives us abstract structure is by no means either a new point or a point emphasized by Scholastics alone.  It was made in earlier generations by thinkers like Poincaré, Russell, Eddington, Weyl, and others, and in recent philosophy has been emphasized by Grover Maxwell, Michael Lockwood, Simon Blackburn, David Chalmers, and others. 

Moreover, we know there must be more to causality specifically than physics does or could tell us about.  The early Russell once argued that causation must not be a real feature of the world precisely because it does not show up in the description of the world physics gives us.  For physics, says Russell, describes the world in terms of differential equations describing functional relations between events, and these equations make no reference to causes.  “In the motions of mutually gravitating bodies, there is nothing that can be called a cause, and nothing that can be called an effect; there is merely a formula” (“On the Notion of Cause,” pp. 173-74).  Russell’s position has been the subject of a fair bit of attention in recent philosophy (e.g. here). 

Now, I don’t myself think it is quite right to say that physics makes no use of causal notions, since I think that physics tells us something about the dispositional features of fundamental particles, and dispositionality is a causal notion.  Still, as other philosophers have argued, higher-level causal features -- such as the causation we take ourselves to experience continuously in everyday life, in the behavior of tables, chairs, rocks, trees, and other ordinary objects -- are more difficult to cash out in terms of what is going on at the micro level described by physics.  Hilary Putnam is one contemporary philosopher who has addressed this problem, as I noted in a post from a few years ago.  Trenton Merricks is another, and argues that at least macro-level inanimate objects are unreal, since (he claims) they play no causal role in the world over and above the causal role played by their microphysical parts.

Merricks thinks living things are real, and certainly a Russell-style across-the-board denial of causation would be incoherent, for a reason implicit in a fact that the later Russell himself emphasized.  Our perceptual experiences give us knowledge of the external physical world only because they are causally related to that world.  To deny causality in the name of science would therefore be to undermine the very empirical foundations of science. 

Now, if there must be causality at the macro level (at the very least in the case of the causal relations between the external world and our perceptual experiences of it), and this causality is not captured in the description of the world that physics itself gives us, then it follows that there is more to causality than physics can tell us.  And even if you dispute the views of Russell, Putnam, Merricks, et al., physics itself is not going to settle the matter.  For it is not an empirical matter, but a philosophical dispute about how to interpret the empirical evidence.

(Nor will it do to dismiss such disputes on the grounds that the competing views about them are “unfalsifiable.”  It may be that there is no human being more comically clueless than the New Atheist combox troll who thinks he can dismiss philosophy on grounds of falsificationism -- a thesis put forward by a philosopher, Karl Popper.  As Popper himself realized, falsificationism is not itself a scientific thesis but a meta-level claim about science.)

If physics in general raises philosophical questions it cannot answer, the same is if anything even more clearly true of quantum mechanics in particular.  Feynman’s famous remark that nobody understands quantum mechanics is an overstatement, but it is certainly by no means obvious how to interpret some of the theory’s stranger aspects.  Quantum mechanics has been claimed to “show” all sorts of things -- that the law of excluded middle is false, that scientific realism is false, that idealism is true, etc.  By itself it shows none of these things.  In each case, certain philosophical assumptions are first read into quantum mechanics and then read out again.  But the same thing is true of claims to the effect that quantum mechanics undermines causality.  By itself it does not, and could not, show such a thing either.  Here as in the other cases, it is the metaphysical background assumptions we bring to bear on quantum mechanics that determine how we interpret it.  This is as true of philosophical naturalists, atheists, et al. as it is of Scholastics. 

Now, the Scholastic metaphysician argues, on grounds entirely independent of questions about how to interpret quantum mechanics, that there are a number of metaphysical theses that any possible empirical science is going to have to presuppose.  Most fundamentally, there is the Aristotelian theory of act and potency, according to which we cannot make sense of change as a real feature of the world unless we recognize that there is, in addition to what is actual on the one hand, and sheer nothingness on the other, a middle ground of potentiality.  Change is the actualization of a potentiality, and unless we affirm this we will be stuck with a static Parmenidean conception of the world.  And that is not an option, because the existence of change cannot coherently be denied.  Even to work through the steps of an argument for the non-existence of change is itself an instance of change.  Sensory experience – and thus the observation and experiment on which empirical science rests – presupposes real change.  (Hence it is incoherent to suggest, as is sometimes done, that relativity shows that change is illusory, since the evidence for relativity presupposes sensory experience and thus change.)

Now, the main concepts of the Aristotelian-Scholastic metaphysical apparatus – substantial form and prime matter, final causality and efficient causality, and so forth – are essentially an outworking of the theory of act and potency.  You can argue about whether this or that object truly has a substantial form or is merely an aggregate, about whether we have correctly identified and characterized the teleological features of such-and-such a natural process, and so on.  What cannot be denied is that substantial form, teleology, etc. are bedrock features of the natural order and will inevitably feature in a complete picture of the physical world at some level of analysis.  All of that follows from a consistent application of the theory of act and potency.  It also cannot be denied that any potential that is actualized is actualized by something already actual.  That is the core of the “principle of causality,” and It follows from the principle of sufficient reason -- a principle which, rightly understood, also cannot coherently be denied.  

I spell out the reasons for all of this in detail, and also discuss the inherent limitations of empirical science, in Scholastic Metaphysics.  The point to emphasize for present purposes is that the Scholastic holds that there a number of general metaphysical truths which we can know completely independently of particular disputes within physics or any other empirical science, precisely because they rest on what any possible empirical science must itself presuppose.  (One of Cruz-Uribe’s readers insinuates that in resting its key theses on something other than empirical science, Scholastic metaphysics undermines the possibility of any common ground with its critics.  But this is precisely the reverse of the truth and once again completely misses the point.  Since Scholastic metaphysical arguments begin with what empirical science presupposes -- for example, the possibility of sensory experience, and the possibility of at least partial explanations -- they thereby begin precisely with what the critics already accept, not with what they reject.)

Radioactive decay

So, here is where we are before we even get to the issue of radioactive decay:  Purportedly physics-based objections to Scholastic metaphysics – including objections to Scholastic claims about causality -- are, as a matter of course, poorly thought out.  They commonly blur the distinction between empirical and philosophical claims, confuse what is really only one notion of causality with causality as such, and confuse mere illustrations or applications of general metaphysical principles with the principles themselves.  Meanwhile, we know on independent grounds that physics, of its very nature, cannot in principle tell us everything there is to know about physical reality, including especially the causal features of physical reality.  Its exclusively mathematical conceptual apparatus necessarily leaves out whatever cannot be captured in quantitative terms.  Physics also implies that there must be something more to physical reality than what it captures, since mathematical structure is of itself a mere abstraction and there must be some concrete reality which has the structure.

We also know that quantum mechanics in particular raises all sorts of puzzling metaphysical questions (not merely about causality) that it cannot answer.  And, the Scholastic argues, we know on independent grounds – grounds that any possible empirical science must presuppose – that there are a number of metaphysical truths that we must bring to bear on our understanding of the world whatever the specific empirical facts turn out to be, including the truth that causality must be a real feature of the world.

So, when critics glibly allege that radioactive decay or other quantum phenomena undermine causality, the trouble is that they are making a charge that doesn’t even rise to the level of being well thought out.  It is preposterous to pretend that the burden of proof is on the Scholastic to show that quantum mechanics is compatible with Scholastic claims about causality.  The burden of proof is rather on the critic to show that there really is any incompatibility.  (Few people would claim that the burden of proof is on anyone to prove that quantum mechanics doesn’t establish idealism, or doesn’t undermine the law of excluded middle, or doesn’t refute scientific realism.  It is generally realized that the claims in question here are very large ones that go well beyond anything quantum mechanics itself can be said to establish, so that the burden of proof is on anyone who wants to claim quantum mechanics has such sweeping implications.  So why is the burden of proof on the Scholastic to show that quantum mechanics doesn’t undermine causality?)

In particular, the critic owes us an account of why, since physics cannot in principle capture all there is to physical reality in the first place -- and in particular arguably fails entirely (as Russell held) to capture causality in general -- we should regard it as especially noteworthy if it fails to capture causality in one particular case.  If the critic, like the early Russell, denies that there is any causality at all, he owes us an account of how he can coherently take such a position, and in particular how he can account for our knowledge of the world physics tells us about if we have no causal contact with it.  If the critic says instead that genuine causality does exist in some parts of nature but not in the particular cases he thinks quantum mechanics casts doubt on, he owes us an account of why we should draw the line where he says we should, and how there could be such a line.  (As we had reason to note recently with respect to PSR, it is difficult to see how it could be coherent to think that things are in principle explicable in some cases while denying that they are in general explicable in principle.  Yet to affirm the principle of causality in some cases and deny it in others seems similarly incoherent.) 

In short, anyone who claims that quantum mechanics undermines Scholastic metaphysical claims about causality owes us an alternative worked-out metaphysical picture before we should take him seriously (just as anyone who would claim that quantum mechanics undermines the law of excluded middle owes us an alternative system of logic if we are to take him seriously).  And if he gives us one, it would really be that metaphysical system itself, rather than quantum mechanics per se, that is doing the heavy lifting.

Now, no one expects a logician to launch into a mini treatise on quantum mechanics before setting forth a textbook exposition of classical logic, law of excluded middle and all.  The reason is that it is widely understood that it is just false to say flatly that “Quantum mechanics has undermined classical logic.”  Quantum mechanics has done no such thing.  Rather, some people have been led by their metaphysical speculations about quantum mechanics to wonder whether logic might be rewritten without the law of excluded middle.  Logicians who have independent grounds to think that the law of excluded middle cannot be false have no reason to take these speculations very seriously or respond in detail to them when going about their ordinary work.

Similarly, there is no reason why a Scholastic metaphysician should be expected to launch into a detailed discussion of quantum mechanics before deploying the principle of causality in a general metaphysical context, or when giving an argument for the existence of God.  For it is also simply false to say that “Quantum mechanics has undermined the principle of causality.”  It has done no such thing.  The most that one can say is that some people have been led by their metaphysical speculations about quantum mechanics to wonder whether metaphysics might be rewritten in a way that does without the principle of causality.  But metaphysicians who have independent grounds to think that the principle of causality cannot be false have no reason to take these speculations very seriously or to respond in detail to them when going about their ordinary work.

Of course, logicians have examined proposed non-classical systems of logic, and classical logicians have put forward criticisms of these alternative systems.  The point is that their doing so is not a prerequisite of their being rationally justified in using classical logic.  Similarly, a Scholastic metaphysician, especially if he is interested in questions about philosophy of nature and philosophy of physics, can and should address questions about how to interpret various puzzling aspects of quantum mechanics.  But the point is that doing so is not a prerequisite to his being rationally justified in appealing to the principle of causality in general metaphysics or in presenting a First Cause argument for the existence of God.

But how might a Scholastic interpret phenomena like radioactive decay?  I hinted at one possible approach in the post on Oerter linked to above, an approach which is suggested by the way some Scholastic philosophers have thought about local motion.  Some of these thinkers, and Aquinas in particular, take the view that a substance can manifest certain dispositions in a “spontaneous” way in the sense that these manifestations simply follow from its nature or substantial form.  A thing’s natural tendencies vis-à-vis local motion would be an example.  These motions simply follow from the thing’s substantial form and do not require a continuously conjoined external mover.  Now, that is not to say that the motion in question does not have an efficient cause.  But the efficient cause is just whatever generated the substance and thus gave it the substantial form that accounts (qua formal cause) for its natural local motion.  (It is commonly but erroneously thought that medieval Aristotelians in general thought that all local motion as such required a continuously conjoined cause.  In fact that was true only of some of these thinkers, not all of them.  For detailed discussion of this issue, see James Weisheipl’s book Nature and Motion in the Middle Ages, from which I borrow the language of “spontaneity.”  I also discuss these issues in more detail here.)

Now, Aquinas himself elaborated on this idea in conjunction with the thesis that the “natural place” toward which heavy objects are inclined to move is the center of the earth, and he supposed also that projectile motions required a conjoined mover insofar as he regarded them as “violent” rather than natural.  Both of these suppositions are outmoded, but the more general thesis summarized in the preceding paragraph is logically independent of them and can easily be disentangled from them.  One can consistently affirm (a) that a substance will tend toward a certain kind of local motion simply because of its substantial form, while rejecting the claim that (b) this local motion involves movement toward a certain specific place, such as the center of the earth.  (This is a point missed by one of the more clueless commentators in Cruz-Uribe’s combox, whose capacity for grasping obvious distinctions is not much better than his reading ability.  He ridicules the distinction I make here without offering the slightest explanation of what exactly is wrong with it.) 

Indeed, some contemporary Aristotelians have proposed that affirming (a) while rejecting (b) is the right way to think about inertial motion: Newton’s principle of inertia, on this view, is a description of the way a physical object will tend to behave vis-à-vis local motion given its nature or substantial form.  (Again, see this article for discussion of the relevant literature.)  The point for present purposes, though, is that the idea just described also provides a model -- I don’t say it is the only model, just a model -- for understanding what is going on metaphysically with phenomena like radioactive decay. 

The idea would be this.  Let’s borrow an example from philosopher of science Phil Dowe’s book Physical Causation, since I’ll have reason to return to the use he makes of it in a moment.  Dowe writes:

Suppose that we have an unstable lead atom, say Pb210.  Such an atom may decay, without outside interference, by α-decay into the mercury atom Hg206.  Suppose the probability that the atom will decay in the next minute is x.  Then

                        P(E|C) = x

where C is the existence of the lead atom at a certain time t1, and E is the production of the mercury atom within the minute immediately following t1.  (pp. 22-23)

Now, applying the conceptual apparatus borrowed from Aquinas (which, I should add, Dowe himself does not do), we can say that the decay in question is “spontaneous” in something like the way Aquinas thought the natural local motion of a physical substance is “spontaneous.”  In particular, given the nature or substantial form of Pb210, there is a probability of x that it will decay in the next minute.  The probability is not unintelligible, but grounded in what it is to be Pb210 .  The decay thus has a cause in the sense that (i) it has a formal cause in the nature or substantial form of the particular Pb210 atom, and (ii) it has an efficient cause in whatever it was that originally generated that Pb210 atom (whenever that was). 

It is worth noting that you don’t need to be a Scholastic to think that there really is causation in cases like this, which brings me to Dowe’s own use of this example.  As Dowe notes, even if it is claimed that decay phenomena are incompatible with deterministic causality, it doesn’t follow that there is no causality at all in such cases.  All that would follow is that the causality is not deterministic.  In defense of the claim that there is causality of at least an indeterministic sort in cases like the one he cites, he writes:

If I bring a bucket of Pb210 into the room, and you get radiation sickness, then doubtless I am responsible for your ailment.  But in this type of case, I cannot be morally responsible for an action for which I am not causally responsible.  Now the causal chain linking my action and your sickness involves a connection constituted by numerous connections like the one just described.  Thus the insistence that C does not cause E on the grounds that there’s no deterministic link entails that I am not morally responsible for your sickness.  Which is sick.  (p. 23)

Dowe also points out that “scientists describe such cases of decay as instances of production of Hg206… [and] ‘production’ is a near-synonym for ‘causation’” (p. 23).  This sounds paradoxical only if we fallaciously conflate deterministic causality and causality as such.

Interestingly, elsewhere in his book, Dowe argues that Newton’s first law should be interpreted as entailing, not that a body’s uniform motion has no cause, but rather that its inertia, conceived of as a property of a body, is its cause (pp. 53-54).  This dovetails with the analysis of inertial motion given by some contemporary Aristotelians, to which I alluded above.  John Losee, in his book Theories of Causality, discusses Dowe’s views and notes the parallel between what Dowe says about radioactive decay and what he says about inertia (p. 126).  The parallel, I would say (using notions neither Dowe nor Losee appeal to), is this: In both cases, Dowe is describing the way a thing will “spontaneously” tend to behave given its nature or substantial form (albeit the manifestation of the tendency is probabilistic in the case of Pb210 but not in the case of inertial motion). 

So, Dowe’s views seem to some extent to recapitulate the elements of the Aquinas-inspired account of radioactive decay sketched above, which I earlier put forward in the post replying to Oerter.  It is worth emphasizing that neither Dowe nor Losee has any Scholastic ax to grind, and that I came across their work long after writing that post -- so as to forestall any objection to the effect that the proposed account is somehow a merely ad hoc way to try to get round the objection from radioactive decay (an objection that would be absurd in any case given that the basic concepts made use of in the proposed account are centuries old).  On the contrary, it is an account that someone could accept whatever his views about Scholastic metaphysics in general, or about the application of the principle of causality to arguments for God’s existence.

In any event, as I have said, the burden of proof is not on the Scholastic metaphysician to provide an account of how radioactive decay can be reconciled with the principle of causality, because claims to the effect that there is an incompatibility are not even well-motivated in the first place.  The burden of proof is rather on the critic of Scholastic metaphysics to develop an alternative metaphysical framework on which the rejection of the principle of causality is defensible, and within which the critic might embed his favored interpretation of quantum mechanics.  But don’t hold your breath.  For the Scholastic has grounds entirely independent of issues about quantum mechanics or radioactive decay to conclude that no such alternative metaphysics is forthcoming. 

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  1. You criticise the person who made the objection based on Bell's inequality for failing to understand that you are defending a metaphysical claim which is independent of any specific physical theory. The point is that Bell's inequality puts constraints on any possible hidden-variable interpretation of quantum mechanics. This is, at least in part, of metaphysical significance, you cannot draw a hard line between physics and metaphysics. If the constraints in question have no bearing on the principle of causality that you're trying to defend, then this needs to be shown in more detail. The basic issue is that you can't have a deterministic hidden-variable interpretation of quantum mechanics in which collapse of the wavefunction occurs unless you are prepared to countenance causal influences travelling faster than the speed of light. So what's your response on how to square this with the principle of causality? Are you saying that the principle of causality does not require determinism, or are you saying that maybe we should countenance the idea that causal influences could travel faster than the speed of light?

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  2. Rupert, Professor Feser said in the OP that the Scholastic is not committed to determinism.

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  3. Hi Vincent,

    So because the series or carts or the length of the brush handle is infinitely long, it will suddenly have the power to move itself or to paint? Can an infinitely long paint brush paint a stick man? Or the Mona Lisa? What you are ascribing to infinity is not a characteristic of infinity. Infinity is not "...of another nature and order, in as much as the higher cause is more perfect." It is just more of the same from the same nature and order. So what you describe is not an essentially ordered series. At least according to Scotus.

    I hope that makes sense.

    Cheers,
    Daniel

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  4. Someone said Vincent Torley is greenlighted? Maybe we can get him to reply to someone besides an old head this time.

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  6. (That is, it's not immediately obvious, but it seems highly plausible that two conjunctions of unique causes cannot be mutually causing.)

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  7. All right, fair enough. I'm just saying that more needs to be said than just "the metaphysical principle is independent of any specific physical theory". You can't draw a hard line between the metaphysics and the physics. The Scholastic probably has various possible responses to an objection based on Bell's inequality.

    How are we supposed to know that the principle of causality is true, anyway? It follows from the principle of sufficient reason, is that the idea?

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  8. I'm just saying that more needs to be said than just "the metaphysical principle is independent of any specific physical theory". You can't draw a hard line between the metaphysics and the physics.

    Well, there are loads of non-scholastic metaphysical claims that do not stand or fall with the truth or falsity of Bohmian theory. I think Ed's point is that objectors have to establish the sense in which quantum mechanics is supposed to tell against the principle of causality, given that straightforward appeals to indeterminism or causality as those are applied in physics equivocate and miss the point.

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  9. I probably ought to have a look at the original conversation that Feser was talking about. It just seemed to me that Feser's response was not entirely to the point. It doesn't matter that he's not presenting a specific hidden-variable interpretation of quantum mechanics, that's not the issue, there's an interaction between arguments from Bell's inequality and issues to do with causality in metaphysics, and if what this guy is saying was beside the point when it comes to the Scholastic principle of causality then I can't really see how he showed that in what he wrote.

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  10. Daniel: [Quine] thought scientific praxis obliged us to posit Numbers (Sets) are free standing Abstract Objects. Not that Turmarion is endorsing Scientism of course but I suspect this is what is meant by Platonism in this case - given that term's association with any ontology which affirms free-standing Abstract Objects in modern parlance....

    Yes, Daniel, that's a fair statement of where I'm coming from--indeed I don't endorse scientism, and indeed I think that numbers and mathematical entities are "free standing Abstract Objects".

    I don't have much time, but I'll add the following:

    1. I think that unlike Plato, Aristotle takes his metaphysics perilously close to physics. For example, he rejected atomism. I think a lot of the pushback against the idea that substantial forms are at the subatomic level and not at higher levels, as well as the debate on the existence of atoms, comes from this. I'm not saying that modern A-T's reject atomic theory; but I think that in following Aristotle too closely, some of them end up taking positions that are unsupportable or questionably supportable. Plato stays on the metaphysical side--there are forms, and substances, and accidents, but he doesn't try to explain how they work like Aristotle does.

    2. This gives a good example in support of Rupert, whose comments I endorse. Aristotle on metaphysical grounds, denies atomism; but we now know, based on empirical grounds, that atomism is true. Even if one wants to take the "virtual" view of atoms, the fact is that science has indeed demonstrated part of Aristotle's metaphysics wrong. I understand that metaphysics and science are separate endeavors, and that there are large areas of no overlap. For example, metaphysics has nothing to say about the structure of DNA, nor does science have anything to say about the Good, the True, and the Beautiful. Having said that, I think it's wrong to assert, as many have, that nothing at all in science could have any ramifications at all for any aspect of A-T metaphysics even in principle. Atomism is a good example. I suspect that relativity and QM are other examples, but the jury is out, and I'm not interested in arguing those again. The point is that, as Rupert points out, the line between physics and metaphysics is blurry at some points--perhaps blurrier than either side would like. Once more, Plato tends to stay away from these blurred lines (I hear a Robin Thicke song coming on....).

    3. Finally, I'd point again to Pharsea's discussion of the superiority of Platonism to Aristotelianism. I wouldn't agree with every single thing he says, but I think he makes some cogent points.

    That's it for now. My young'un is better, but still no time for detailed replies.

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  11. Turmarion,

    This gives a good example in support of Rupert, whose comments I endorse. Aristotle on metaphysical grounds, denies atomism; but we now know, based on empirical grounds, that atomism is true.

    Perhaps a physicist can affirm or deny this for me, but I thought we've gotten down to the quantum field theory now, and atomism (the idea that everything reduces to a smallest, indivisible unit of matter) was disproven by science?

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  12. Depends exactly what you have in mind, I guess. Modern science claims that there are elementary particles but the mathematical formalism used to predict their behaviour indicates that they must be quite metaphysically strange kinds of entities. Why did you think that science had proven atomism false, what did you have in mind?

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  13. Aristotle explicitly accepts a modified form of atomism of the kind available to him; he just thinks atomism is only partially true. (This is, in fact, one of Aristotle's standard ways of approaching positions he opposes, following from his aporetic method: he argues that they are partially true, or at least true-like, but missing something important.) That is to say, Aristotle's own theory of the elements was explicitly a middle position between full-bore atomism and complete anti-atomism.

    Paul Needham, the historian and philosopher of chemistry, has done some excellent work showing that modern atomic theory is in many ways a radically different bird from ancient atomism, and the complicated interchange between broadly Aristotelian theories, thoroughly anti-atomistic theories, and occasional revivals of ancient atomism in the development of modern atomic theory. And, as John West notes, modern atomic theory is not an atomism in the sense in which Aristotle rejected atomism. (And as some commenters have previously pointed out, it's at least not clear that modern atomic theory, particularly as understood in the Hund-Mullikan theory of molecular orbits, is not much closer to Aristotle than any of the atomisms that Aristotle rejected.

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  14. John, elementary particles such as quarks, cannot be reduced, as far as we know, to any lower entities. The are "unsplittable", which is exactly what the Greek atomos means. What we call "atoms" were at first thought to be indeed unsplittable. That was found to be wrong. However, there still are particles that cannot be subdivided. What we call "elementary particle" is what the Greeks would have called atomos--"atom".

    Thus, science has nuanced our older, more naive view of atoms--little hard balls--but it has by no means disproved atomism. Rather, it has shown pretty definitively that Aristotle was dead wrong in opposing atomism.

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  15. Rupert,

    My understanding [was] that the atomos themselves slip in and out of existence at the quantum level. Though, to be clear, the statement is not that slip in and out of nothing, but something to do with “fields” [Edit: Thanks, Turmarion].

    As for Dr. Feser's point. His point, I think, was that quantum physics describe how the world acts at the most basic level, but says nothing about whether or not there is a cause for that something. It is merely a description of what is going on (in this case at the quantum level), and does not seek to say whether there is or is not a cause behind it, and therefore cannot be used to rule out the principle of causality.

    Also, as Techne points out, while total randomness—the total lack of order to this process—would suggest acausality, the fact that quantum indeterminacy is ordered rather than disordered (it can be described in probabilities with a more or less mathematical certainty), suggests that causation is still a possibility. Given the weight of basically the rest of science, it seems one ought to continue presuming there is a cause lacking other reasons to doubt causality.

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  16. For clarity, that should read: "How the physical world acts at the smallest sizes."

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  17. Quantum field theory does involve the idea that virtual particles can go in and out of existence spontaneously. This is obviously different to what the ancients had in mind when they spoke of atomism, to be sure. I suppose I don't really know whether it ought to be called a modern version of atomism.

    If you want to provide a metaphysical interpretation of the mathematical formalism of quantum theory then there are certain constraints on what kind of interpretation is possible. For example, it can be mathematically proved that a deterministic interpretation is not possible unless you allow causal influences to travel faster than the speed of light. So these mathematical theorems about what kinds of interpretations are possible are relevant to metaphysical questions. If you want to argue that a causal interpretation of a purely stochastic process is possible then I guess you need to clarify exactly what we mean by "causal interpretation". Take the example of beta decay, for example, what is the actual thing that actualises the potential of the radioactive atom to undergo beta decay?

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  18. Aristotle and Aquinas believed that matter was only a potentially infinite in terms of divisibility. The limiting factor was form. Matter beyond a certain point, loses its determinate form. And that is really what you see at lower levels of reality. So in this sense, he would agree that there are fundamental particles.

    Cheers,
    Daniel

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  19. So in this sense, he would agree that there are fundamental particles.

    Exactly right. Aristotle is quite explicit about this. What he denies are other theses held by ancient atomists -- that the behavior of atoms is determined entirely by shape (ancient atomists did not generally think atoms were little balls, because balls would not be able to 'snag' other atoms to form stable connections), that they could not be further analyzed into attributes other than geometrical ones, etc.

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  20. What does it matter, how could Aristotle possibly have known whether there are fundamental particles or not? It's a question that needs to be settled by empirical investigation.

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  21. Of course it's a matter of empirical investigation; just like historical claims about what Aristotle said, did, or held is a matter of actual evidence and not stories people make up.

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  22. I think that, when you try to criticise the principle of causality on the grounds of an example like radioactive decay, the point is not that the phenomenon can't be reconciled with the Scholastic framework, but just that there is no particularly good reason to suppose that the Scholastic metaphysical interpretation of the phenomenon is the correct one as opposed to some other interpretation which is not consistent with the principle of causality. That is, some argument is required to show that we should accept the principle of causality. That was why I asked how we know it is true, which no-one has responded to as yet.

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  23. What I find interesting here is that his metaphysics predicted this to be true, and the evidence that it is empirically true could only be uncovered over 2000 years later.

    That is pretty cool.

    Cheers,
    Daniel

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  24. Rupert,

    The point is whatever comes to a point in a discussion; more than one discussion at a time goes on in comments threads.

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  25. Anonymous,

    Are you suggesting that it would somehow have been possible for him to have a well-informed opinion about the matter? I find that pretty hard to take seriously.

    Brandon,

    I was just making a statement about what I took to be the main point of the objection based on quantum phenomena. I suppose it is up to you whether or not you want to explain to me why I should believe the principle of causality to be true.

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  26. Rupert,

    And I and Daniel were engaged in a distinct discussion raised by an issue in a different set of arguments by a different commenter, on whether Aristotle rejected atomism and in what sense, one that you explicitly jumped into.

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  27. One of the things that keeps Aristotle grounded is his insistence that his philosophy be based on real things. His ten categories is a good example of how he classifies objects. The four causes also helps us understand the intrinsic and extrinsic causes of a thing. In principle, they must apply to any physical reality. It is based on this principle that he was able to predict that matter could not be infinity divisible because form loses its ineligibility after a certain point. There must be some fundamental level where division must end.

    He did not have direct empirical evidence for this fundamental level because he did not have the tools to reach that level of observation. However, his intuition turned out to be correct.

    But I do agree though, that science could, in principle, challenge his metaphysics. It could certainly shed light on some of his theories.

    The key here is dialogue. The insight of metaphysics are interesting and when things seem to be out of whack between science and metaphysics, the issue deserves some close attention.

    Cheers,
    Daniel

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  28. Rupert,

    I think that, when you try to criticise the principle of causality on the grounds of an example like radioactive decay, the point is not that the phenomenon can't be reconciled with the Scholastic framework, but just that there is no particularly good reason to suppose that the Scholastic metaphysical interpretation of the phenomenon is the correct one as opposed to some other interpretation which is not consistent with the principle of causality.

    In inference to the best explanation or “interpretation”, an explanation is selected from the best available explanations. As is, this paragraph is incomplete and therefore superfluous.

    That is, some argument is required to show that we should accept the principle of causality. That was why I asked how we know it is true, which no-one has responded to as yet.

    These sentences implies an argument from ignorance, but Ed does in fact offer a quick retortion argument for causality in his article.

    If you want to provide a metaphysical interpretation of the mathematical formalism of quantum theory then there are certain constraints on what kind of interpretation is possible.

    If by formalism, you mean the philosophical position, then this sentence begs the question against mathematical realism. One ought to have ontological commitment to all those entities indispensable to our best scientific theories. Mathematical entities are indispensable to our best scientific theories. Hence, one ought to have ontological commitment to mathematical entities. It is intellectually dishonest to accept as objectively real the posits of quantum physics, but not the mathematics on which physics is built.

    So these mathematical theorems about what kinds of interpretations are possible are relevant to metaphysical questions. If you want to argue that a causal interpretation of a purely stochastic process is possible then I guess you need to clarify exactly what we mean by "causal interpretation".

    I certainly agree the mathematical theorems are relevant; they're indispensable to the physics in question. That said, I have to block this burden-of-homework shifting move. It seems to me that, since Ed has defined the Scholastic meaning of “causal interpretation” in articles here and in his book Scholastic Metaphysics and you are visiting his blog, it's up to you to learn the terminology needed to interact with the people here, not up to them to teach it to you.

    But I'll note the paragraph in either the above article or the one to Oerter it links on the theologically motivated notion of laws of nature versus the Aristotelian description of science as laws of “natures” (understood strictly Aristotelian sense of the word nature). Given the Aristotelian notion of laws of natures, it makes much more sense that given sufficiently large numbers probabilistic explanations of such phenomena are possible. Ed describes in the above article one way causation is possible given this fact (I think Vincent Torley quotes it in his reply to Ed's article).

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  29. Rupert,

    Of course a positive argument for the principle of causality has to be given. That's not what the post was about -- can't do everything in one post -- but I made it clear in the post that I have given such arguments elsewhere.

    See chapter 2 of Scholastic Metaphysics for a long and detailed defense of the principle, including much more detailed replies to objections, considerations of how the principle should be formulated, discussion of various kinds of causal series, etc. For discussion of positive arguments for the principle of causality, see pp. 129-46 specifically. The argument from PSR-rightly-understood is one argument, but not the only one.

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  30. It's nothing to do with the debate between mathematical realism and formalism. I'm using formalism to refer to the set of procedures that quantum mechanicians use to calculate the outcomes of experiments. This is a mathematical procedure for making predictions which can be supplemented by a metaphysical interpretation of the underlying reality which leads to the experiments having these outcomes. There are different interpretations available.

    I read "Scholastic Metaphysics" recently. As Dr Feser says there is a defence of PC in that book, which perhaps I'll try to formulate a response to soon, but there isn't really any discussion of how a causal influence might be purely stochastic in its operation. I guess you can just say "Well, some causes have a probability less than one of being efficacious", but you need to clarify what account you're giving of the matter. It's not a burden-of-homework shifting move, I never said you had to give me lectures about it in the combox, you're perfectly welcome to refer me to some book or article.

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  31. Dr. Feser,

    Thank you, I read your book recently. I will try to formulate a response to your defence of PC in the place you cited.

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  33. Well, maybe, I might need to re-read about per accidens causation. I enjoyed Feser's book but my objections really start right at the beginning with the account of the theory of act and potency. I'm not convinced that the distinction is indispensible for explaining the reality of change. Also, when he criticises scientism, I'm influenced by the work of Penelope Maddy in her book "Second Philosophy", which might be considered a form of scientism but which is not really vulnerable to the objections he makes because Maddy wouldn't reject the Scholastic metaphysician's arguments out of hand, she'd just assess it and respond to it by the light of her own methods, which are continuous with those of science (and Penelope Maddy doesn't give any characterisation of what the methods of science are, she just illustrates by example). The Second Philosopher as Maddy characterises her is willing to give arguments based on different methods a fair hearing and doesn't reject metaphysics out of hand. (She also has a defence of realism for abstract entities).

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  34. @Rupert:

    "I guess you can just say 'Well, some causes have a probability less than one of being efficacious', but you need to clarify what account you're giving of the matter."

    I think Ed did that in the OP—in rather sketchy form, surely, but he pretty clearly wasn't intending to offer a full-blown theory of "stochastic causation," just a reply to the claim that radioactive decay is irreconcilable with the Principle of Causality.

    It seems entirely coherent to regard decaying with probability p within a given unit of time as a property of an atom of a lead isotope, to regard this property as the (nondeterministic) cause of the atom's eventual decay, and to regard the efficient cause of the atom as the efficient cause of the property.

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  35. Rupert,

    She also has a defence of realism for abstract entities

    Alas, she recently abandoned her realism, jumped ship, and became a naturalist.

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  36. I should write, became an even more radical naturalist, and an anti-realist about mathematical entities^

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  38. In "Second Philosophy" Penelope Maddy describes Robust Realism, Thin Realism, and Arealism about abstract entities and suggests that there are good grounds for rejecting Robust Realism and that there might be no determinate fact of the matter whether Thin Realism or Arealism is correct, because of an indeterminacy in the notion of "exists". (I've always found this view a bit hard to swallow but I quite like her Thin Realism about abstract entities).

    Penelope Maddy describes an inquirer called the Second Philosopher who inquires about reality using the methods of science and then proceeds to philosophical inquiries by methods continuous with those of science. It's the philosophical inquiry that she gives all the details about as to how the Second Philosopher would proceed, and she also describes how the Second Philosopher would critically engage with thinkers such as Descartes or Kant.

    Let's explore further this idea that certain metaphysical principles are somehow implicit in the methods of science. You said the causal principle, is that Edward Feser's principle of causality? I can't really see what would be wrong with the idea that we can investigate the world by methods which we'd be inclined to describe as scientific without taking a stand on whether the principle of causality is true.

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  39. @Rupert:

    "I can't really see what would be wrong with the idea that we can investigate the world by methods which we'd be inclined to describe as scientific without taking a stand on whether the principle of causality is true."

    What do you take the Principle of Causality to state? As you know from having read Ed's Scholastic Metaphysics, he takes its most fundamental form to be that potency can be reduced to act only by something already in act. Is that the version you think may not be necessary to science?

    (You've also said you have issues with Ed's account of act and potency in the first place; if those are relevant here, please elaborate.)

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  40. Yeah, it seems to me that accepting that there is a real distinction between act and potency is not indispensible to scientific investigation. I wasn't really convinced that it was the only possible way to explain the reality of change because I think that there are other reasons why Parmenides' argument for the impossibility of change is flawed, I just can't see why the only alternative to accepting a real distinction between act and potency would have to be to accept that change somehow involves non-being becoming being.

    When the scientist goes about investigating the world, performing experiments and making observations and formulating laws and testing them for successful predictions and so forth, I don't really think it is necessary to make any assumptions about the nature of a causal relation as such. You can just say, well, I can observe these regularities in the behaviour of matter, and I'm going to investigate them in an attempt to improve my ability to successfully predict the outcomes of future experiments. I guess I don't really think there is anything wrong with taking the scientist's methods as the natural way to proceed in investigating reality, without necessarily reading any heavy metaphysical baggage into them.

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  41. Yeah, it seems to me that accepting that there is a real distinction between act and potency is not indispensible to scientific investigation. I wasn't really convinced that it was the only possible way to explain the reality of change because I think that there are other reasons why Parmenides' argument for the impossibility of change is flawed, I just can't see why the only alternative to accepting a real distinction between act and potency would have to be to accept that change somehow involves non-being becoming being.

    What other explanations do you propose?

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  42. I guess I don't really know why Parmenides felt inclined to describe change in that way in the first place, I'm not really all that sympathetic to the view that there's a problem here. "Change" is a pretty fundamental concept, I can't really see any kind of deep metaphysical problem here that needs to be explained. Sometimes objects undergo change. Why is it necessary to describe that as being either "non-being becoming being" or "a potency being actualised"?

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  43. @Rupert:

    "'Change' is a pretty fundamental concept, I can't really see any kind of deep metaphysical problem here that needs to be explained. Sometimes objects undergo change."

    Well, that basically is Aristotle's view; he just realizes, and spells out explicitly, that in order for it to be true, "objects" have to endure or persist through time in order to "undergo change." (Otherwise all that happens from one moment to the next is that everything vanishes and is replaced by something entirely new.)

    I won't say that you're in complete 100% agreement with Aristotle (or Aquinas, who followed him in this), but I think you may be more sympathetic to him (them) than you think you are.

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  44. Daniel,

    Well, if David Cameron and I can both be considered conservatives and Tories, I suppose Platonism can apply to such diverse viewpoints as Quine and Thomas Taylor. But I would have to say that surely a sine qua non for Platonism, other than the separate existence of abstract objects (I'm not especially happy with the term abstract here though), is the importance of Nous and noetic knowledge, as well as, as Lloyd Gerson has pointed out, a top-down approach to reality, which starts its explanation with the highest realms of reality, rather than the bottom-up one Turmarion is advocating.

    Because Platonism is such a problematic term today, however, I tend to describe myself clumsily as a Platonist-Hermeticist, because I can't think of a better term. I certainly don't like the term Neoplatonist, as it is an attempt at a slur on Platonism and, if anything, I think stripped down modern Platonism is Neoplatonism.

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  45. In the case of Quine it is probably worth distinguishing Platonism from platonism.

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  46. Quine described himself as a "reluctant platonist," and - I think - his mathematical realism cut off at perfect abstract sets as particulars.

    Turmarion's Platonism seems stronger than this, since he mentioned he thinks the universe may be reducible to instantiations of mathematical truths?

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  47. Scott, FWIW, I think you hit the heart of where some of the problems are occurring: It seems entirely coherent to regard decaying with probability p within a given unit of time as a property of an atom of a lead isotope...

    I'd basically agree, but it's a weird property. All other properties are discrete: something is a certain color or a certain density or behaves in a certain way under given conditions. No other property is probabilistic. It's doubly weird in that it's an aggregate property. Within a given time, a given radioactive atom either does decay (p=1) or doesn't (p=0). When we say that it will decay in time t with probability p (say p=0.5), what we really mean is that of the entire population of such atoms, p of them--half, in this case--will have decayed.

    It's the paradox of probability--we can describe the population, or even a large enough sample with high accuracy, but we have no idea about any individual. Once more, no other property is like this. An apple is red without regard to the redness of other apples. Since with the isotope there's a consistent tendency to decay, I think one could still be correct in calling it a "property"; but I can see how some would object to that.

    [T]o regard this property as the (nondeterministic) cause of the atom's eventual decay...

    Here's the nub. Is "nondeterministic cause" intelligible, or is it an oxymoron as much as "living corpse" or "married bachelor"? I'm not sure I even have an opinion on this--it doesn't seem clear to me if it is a contradiction or not.

    and to regard the efficient cause of the atom as the efficient cause of the property.

    The current theory is that heavy elements were produced by nuclear fusion in the later stages of the lives of first or second generation stars. Thus, this is essentially saying that event X--two nuclei fuse in a star, say eight billion years ago, forming atom A of radioactive lead--is the ultimate efficient cause of even Y, that is, the same atom decaying in the present, eight billion years later.

    That comes off as odd, too. X is the cause of Y in the sense that the atom had to exist in the first place before it decayed; I could maybe even see it as a material or possibly a formal cause; but an efficient cause? That seems a bit much. I mean, that my eight times great-grandfather begot my seven times great-grandfather is arguably a material cause of my posting this; but certainly it's not an efficient cause (and yes, I'm a living thing, I know it's not the same, but I think there's an analogy, at least).

    My point here is not necessarily to put forth my own views here--though I admit I have a little trouble with "nondeterministic cause" myself--but to try to show some of the areas where issues are arising.

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  48. John West: Turmarion's Platonism seems stronger than [Quine's], since he mentioned he thinks the universe may be reducible to instantiations of mathematical truths?

    Yes. I believe mathematical entities are real and objective, and would exist even without humans or other intelligent creatures that could do math. The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis is Max Tegmark's and I'm not sure I'd go quite that far. Still, I'd have no problem with it as such; I'd be much more comfortable with that idea than perhaps most people would.

    Here, from Pharsea's site, is something I'd associate myself with in terms of preferring Plato to Aristotle:

    Plato's student Aristotle was a materialist and empiricist. He was the first to misinterpret Plato as having proposed a definitive comprehensive system of philosophy, rather than a method and ethic of philosophical enquiry. In this very limited sense, Aristotle was the first neo-Platonist.

    He was fascinated by Astronomy and Natural History. He came to believe that matter itself was self existent, with neither beginning nor end, and to disbelieve in any personal God. He taught that although Universals are real in a sense, they derive their reality only from their physical manifestations. In other words, where Plato taught that horses are horses because they participate in the archetypal form Horse, Aristotle held that Horse is Horse because it captures the reality of horses: it is nothing more than a summary statement of what makes a thing a horse. Hence for Plato horses take their reality from Horse, but for Aristotle Horse takes its reality from horses.

    Aristotle tended to speak of universals in terms of "substances", and to conceive of any object as being constituted of a substance proper (essential) to itself: for example the substance of bread or wine; or the substance of snail or that of quill-pen.


    The whole page is worth reading. I wouldn't agree with him in all particulars, but I think Pharsea makes a good case for Platonism over Aristotelianism.

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  49. Hi Daniel, John West, Mr. Green and interested others:

    I have been reflecting on the infinite series of boxcars and on Sertillanges' infinite paintbrush, and I have come to the conclusion that there is a paradox here, after all. I'd like to publicly acknowledge that Ed was right about that. While I might differ from him as to why the above scenarios are impossible, he has certainly put his finger on a genuine problem.

    First of all, it helps if we frame the problem in the language of physics. So often I hear poor formulations such as: "A boxcar has no power to move itself, so it is ridiculous to suppose that a series of boxcars, whether finite or infinite, would have this power." Sorry, but that's not how physicists talk.

    What we should say is: "A boxcar - or any other body for that matter - cannot accelerate unless acted on by an external force. Since an infinite series of boxcars is still a body and therefore still subject to Newton's First Law, it follows that an infinite series of boxcars cannot accelerate unless acted on by an external force."

    The paradox is that if we break the infinite series of boxcars into its individual components, it seems that each car could be accelerated by a force external to itself - namely, the pull of the adjacent boxcar - and because there is a slight time lag between car N-2's pulling car N-1 and car N-1's pulling car N, we could suppose that the infinite series of boxcars was indeed capable of accelerating car N from a state of rest, without needing to be accelerated by a force external to itself.

    Of course, as Mr. Green correctly pointed out yesterday, energy dissipation would render this scenario impossible in the real world, even supposing it to be infinite in magnitude. But it remains a genuine paradox that if there were no energy dissipation - in other words, if collisions between particles were always perfectly elastic - Newton's First Law could be broken by an infinitely long body. There is no fallacy of composition here either: an infinitely long body is still a body, and Newton's laws would still apply to it.

    The same considerations apply to Sertillanges' infinite paintbrush, except that in this case, it is a matter of the particles in the brush pushing their neighbors, rather than pulling them as in the case of the infinite series of boxcars.

    So the next question we have to answer is: what is the problem here? To shed light on this question, I'd like to propose three more paradoxes.

    To be continued...

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  50. Continued...

    1. Consider an infinite line of people, terminating at one end (say, in London). Each person in the line knows nothing about composing music. All of a sudden, the last member of the line in London gets up, picks up a pen and writes a short musical composition, and then hands it to a real musician standing nearby, who then plays it. "This is beautiful," says the musician. "Who taught you to compose music like that?" "Nobody taught me," replies the man. "I don't know a thing about composing music. The person standing next to me in the line told me what notes to write, and the person standing next to her told HER what to write, and so on ad infinitum. But none of us knows a thing about music." Is this any less paradoxical than the infinite series of boxcars? I think not.

    2. A von Neumann probe from a distant planet lands on Earth, scoops up some soil, and proceeds to build a perfect replica of itself. The probe also has the ability to engage in very simple conversations, like some robots. I walk up to the new probe and ask it: "Who created the program that tells you how to make a replica of yourself?" "Nobody," replies the probe. "I know nothing about programming: I'm as thick as two bricks. I say whatever I'm programmed to say. I'm just the latest in an infinite chain of probes, all of which are just as dumb as I am." Isn't this paradoxical for the same reason as the boxcar case is?

    3. Now consider an infinite series of fathers and sons. Each person in the series has a body containing genetic programs in his DNA which are "like a computer program, but far, far more advanced than any software we've ever created" (Bill Gates). These programs are far more impressive than a musical composition or a von Neumann probe. Same paradox here? I think so.

    Here's the catch. Aquinas thought case 3 wasn't a paradox: he thought it was a genuine possibility. I think he was wrong about that. I can't see why anyone would accept 3, 2 and 1 as non-paradoxical, while regarding Sertillanges' paintbrush as a genuine paradox.

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  51. Hi everyone,

    Back again, So what's the problem with the three paradoxes that I raised, and with Sertillanges' infinite paintbrush and the infinite series of boxcars? Is it a problem relating to per se causality? I think not. In "Scholastic Metaphysics", Ed writes that in a per se series, the later members "have no causal power on their own but derive their power entirely from a cause which does have such power inherently" (p. 151). He adds that in an infinite series of fathers and sons, "the son has 'built in' power to produce another member of the series in question" (p. 149), so this series is per accidens.

    Now let's go back to Case 1. Each member has the built-in power to transmit and copy (but not create) a piece of music. In case 2, each von Neumann probe has the built-in power to make a copy of itself (but not to write a program). In case 3, each man has the power to pass on his own genes, (but not to create a genetic program). In the case of the infinite series of boxcars, each member has the built-in power to pull an adjacent body (but not to accelerate itself, as Newton's First Law prohibits that). And in the case of Sertillanges' paintbrush, each particle in the brush has the power to push its neighbor but not to accelerate itself. Whatever the problem is here, I don't think it has to do with per se causality. Instead, I'm inclined to think these cases establish the impossibility of an infinite per accidens series of causes as well, where the whole is said to possess a new power that the parts are incapable of explaining. Thoughts?

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  52. John West,

    Platonists, in the traditional sense, and Pythagoreans do, in some sense, try to explain creation mathematically, but there is always a strong focus on symbolism and the intimate and symbolic relationship of mathematical objects, as any mathematician today would study them, and a more ideal form of mathematical entity. Indeed, the Platonist-Pythagorean will often differentiate what they refer to as profane mathematics from sacred mathematics.

    Platonists, if focusing on the top-down structure of all creation, would begin the story of creation with the One (a reflection of the One which is beyond being, which in one of its guises can also be referred to as metaphysical zero), which contains the primordial duality of the Dyad. There is an intimate symbolism here between mathematical objects and the ideal numbers, but they are distinct. Ideal numbers are not operational - they cannot be added or divided or used in equations; in fact, they are the highest forms and most elevated hypostases of the One.

    If the Platonist-Pythagorean were starting with our corporeal world, he would begin with basic figures and ratios fundamental to our world and focus on their symbolism. So, for example, in John Michell's book which I recently mentioned to you, he starts with three important ratios (that between the diameter and circumference of a circle; the ratio between the side of a square and its diagonal; and the ratio between the length and breadth of a rhombus or two equilateral triangles back to back) and shows what these tell us about the creation of the material universe.

    There is obviously quite a gulf between this traditional sort of Platonic mathematicising and those would take the mathematics of contemporary physics as the ultimate, abstract structure of reality. Indeed, many scientistic naturalists would foam at the mouth at being told that the geometry of a point or the symbolism of a cross tell us important things about reality, more important, in fact, than anything we can glean from theoretical physics.

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  53. I think Aquinas and Aristotle would differentiate between actual and potential infinities. I believe there are no actual infinities in our finite universe (except for God that is). Only potential infinities.

    At least one mathematician seems to agree: David Hilbert:

    https://math.dartmouth.edu/~matc/Rea...hilosophy.html

    "In summary, let us return to our main theme and draw some conclusions from all our thinking about the infinite. Our principal result is that the infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought — a remarkable harmony between being and thought."

    Of course, I'm no mathematician. However, I do understanding that mathematicians have to be very careful when they invoke infinite values.

    Cheers,
    Daniel

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  55. Though, I am still sorting out whether mathematical truths exist or merely subsist in God's mind. I'm very uncomfortable with this idea of putting God's mind to work as host for mathematical truths. But I ordered the book Scott recommended earlier in the thread, to learn more of this Divine Conceptualism before commenting further on it.

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  56. A bit off topic but I would love to see what Dr Feser has to say about this:

    http://publichealthwatch.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/study-exposure-to-religion-reduces-childrens-ability-to-distinguish-fact-from-fiction/

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  57. Sil, William Briggs has addressed the study here: http://wmbriggs.com/blog/?p=13235

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  58. <sarc>What a brilliant study.</sarc> "Children raised to believe in miracles are more skeptical of modernists' implicit assumption that they can be absolutely ruled out in other unfamiliar cases."

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  59. I thought there was more of an interest in the paranormal in places like the East of Germany, or Russia?

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  60. Just to make my point a little more clearly:

    "[C]hildren raised in households in which religious narratives are frequently encountered do not treat those narratives with the same skepticism.…The study found that…children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school were significantly less able than secular children to identify supernatural elements, such as talking animals, as fictional."

    My question is why this attitude is to be identified with skepticism. Surely the results of the study could be just as well (or better) summarized as "Children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school were significantly more skeptical than secular children of the implied claim that super- or preternatural events simply don't happen."

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  61. Never mind the fact that children at parochial schools are more likely to, you know, graduate and go to college.

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  62. Has anyone ever argued for perdurance here?

    It's always been presented to me as the contemporary "best solution" to change and identity. As a result, I'm surprised neither of the posters arguing against act/potency mentioned it.

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  63. Rupert,

    Just in case you're asking what the actual issue with the possibility of change is (your comment struck me as, "Yeah, so there's change. Of course there's change. So what?"), the problem is a conflict between concepts of change and identity. You may find the first section of E. J. Lowe's A Survey of Metaphysics helpful.

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  64. @John West:

    "Has anyone ever argued for perdurance here?"

    I don't know about actually arguing for it, but dguller has made comments (about temporal parts) that have seemed to presume some sort of perdurantism.

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  65. @John West,

    Though, I am still sorting out whether mathematical truths exist or merely subsist in God's mind. I'm very uncomfortable with this idea of putting God's mind to work as host for mathematical truths.

    This might be a bit too late given the length of the thread but could you elaborate on your misgivings about grounding mathematical truths (as well as truths of material necessity) in the Divine Nature? This is a point I'm interested in so I'd be curious to hear your take on it.

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  67. Scott,

    "Surely the results of the study could be just as well (or better) summarized as 'Children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school were significantly more skeptical than secular children of the implied claim that super- or preternatural events simply don't happen.'"

    Very Orwellian. Since it's not a good idea for me to rip into this statement in the manner it deserves, I really hope someone else steps up to the plate.

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  68. The statement Scott commented on is as follows:

    "[C]hildren raised in households in which religious narratives are frequently encountered do not treat those narratives with the same skepticism.…The study found that…children who went to church or were enrolled in a parochial school were significantly less able than secular children to identify supernatural elements, such as talking animals, as fictional."

    Said statement is hardly the only Orwellian thing about the article.

    For example, the article concludes as follows:

    According to 2013-2014 Gallup data, roughly 83 percent of Americans report a religious affiliation, and an even larger group — 86 percent — believe in God. More than a quarter of Americans, 28 percent, also believe the Bible is the actual word of God and should be taken literally, while half (47 percent) say the Bible is the inspired word of God.

    Perhaps, then, it should come as no surprise that only 54 percent of Americans agree that climate change is largely the result of human activity.


    The implication is that if fewer Americans had a religious affiliation / believed in God, more Americans would believe that climiate change is largely the result of human activity. Which in turns implies that many Americans believe that climate change, rather than being largely the result of human activity, is largely the result of super- or preternatural events.

    Orwellian indeed.

    Btw, how many people with a religious affiliation / belief in God do you know, or know of, who believe that climate charge is largely the result of super- or preternatural events?

    Let me take a wild guess... 0?

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  69. Surely you see the irony?

    In the absence of compelling evidence to the effect that most Americans with a religious affiliation / belief in God hold that climate change is due to super- or preternatural events (or causes), it follows that Americans with a religious affiliation / belief in God are more likely to give nature credit, rather than human activity istelf, for climate change than are those without a religious affiliation / belief in God.

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  70. ("credit" s/b "the bulk of the credit")

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  71. Turmarion: Mr. Green: What many of us are tired of is the attitude that science disproves this or that metaphysical or philosophical claim, when it does nothing of the sort.

    Actually, that was someone else, but of course I agree with the point. And if someone comes in defending the (allegedly) “weird” conclusions of modern physics, yet then refers to the Aristotelian idea that a cat is really a cat and not something else as “nuts”, well, surely nobody is surprised if that raises a few eyebrows? Anyway, we’re past that now, and I think you can see that the available defences are more robust than one might be forgiven for assuming.

    That doesn't mean they "disprove" Scholasticism; but it does seem to me that they merit some careful thinking by people who understand the philosophy and the physics, to see how they can be reconciled.

    As noted, there are people doing such work, and have been; and while Prof. Feser does not work specifically on the scientific side, he has many articles here demonstrating that as far as fundamentals go, Scholastic metaphysics is quite securely seated.

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  72. Vincent Torley: Case 1. Each member has the built-in power to transmit and copy (but not create) a piece of music. In case 2, each von Neumann probe has the built-in power to make a copy of itself (but not to write a program). In case 3, each man has the power to pass on his own genes, (but not to create a genetic program).

    Right; as Scott said, each of these is (hypothetically) possible with the introduction of an outside person to compose the original music; or to design the probe; or to create mankind. (And without such a first cause, all are impossible).

    Instead, I'm inclined to think these cases establish the impossibility of an infinite per accidens series of causes as well, where the whole is said to possess a new power that the parts are incapable of explaining.

    But as soon as we start talking about “a power the parts are incapable of explaining”, then we are talking about a per se chain. An accidental chain is one in which the individual elements are capable of causing the effect in question. If there is some additional cause going on, then of course we might have both kinds of causation happening at the same time; for instance, a chain of men who are begetting sons, who happen coincidentally to be sitting in accelerating railroad carriages. (All aboard the David Hilbert Railway! Privacy assured for all couples giving birth during the trip — just have everyone move down one car!)

    Aquinas does think this shows the impossibility of an infinite series in the per se case — it necessarily requires some first cause for the others in the chain to transmit, but an infinite series does not have any first member. However, the effect can be infinite in some other respect, so the “chain” of God’s creating mankind has just a single step: God creates man → infinite series of men; that is, God is the First Cause of the whole infinite crowd of men… we could think of it as God creating the entire crowd from His timeless perspective. Similarly the endless chain of non-composers copying music would be possible if we allow that God is the actual composer and He created an infinite universe in which that music always existed; the per se aspect would again be just one step: First Cause = God as composer → existing music; the chain of copiers would be a single per se effect that happens to comprise an infinite accidental chain internally.

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  73. I deleted the post to which Mr. Green is referring, but in relevant part it said that Vincent Torley's three cases weren't genuine paradoxes: each was impossible without God a primary cause and possible with Him.

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  74. Scott: I deleted the post to which Mr. Green is referring

    That’s what I get for letting my replies hang around for days without finishing them! Fortunately, I p̶l̶a̶g̶i̶a̶r̶i̶s̶e̶d̶ recapitulated the gist of your comment.

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  75. Don Jindra,

    One reason it isn't a good idea because you couldn't argue yourself out of a paper bag.

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  76. Jeremy Taylor,

    You have mentioned a couple times, and once in this thread, that you're a compatibilist about Platonic and Aristotelian thought. How would you go about combining Aristotelian substances and essences with Platonism?

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  77. Shane Scott,

    I just noticed your comment while looking for a link posted earlier in the thread:

    As a newcomer to Thomism, I recently had the chance to employ the first three ways in a debate with some atheist friends. The arguments were well received, but one of my friends attempted to circumvent them by saying such principles as cause and effect are known to us only because of what we experience in this universe, and we don't know whether they would apply to whatever reality there is outside of or before this universe. I responded that whatever exists, the crucial issue of the difference between existence and essence would still apply, and therefore the act/potency distinction would as well. Is there a better approach I should have taken?

    It seems to have been missed in the scuffle with Gregory Marinov.

    There were several relevant comments under the article Carroll on Scholastic Metaphysics to an amusing anonymous troll, who implied much the same as your friends re: metaphysical principles not applying outside of the universe.

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  78. Dr. Feser,

    You have taken a habit of referring to Parmindes' failures as though this proves change, when in Aristotle's own words (in Physics) it only proves that 'Being' is not 'one'. This refutation leaves open other possibilities of understanding the world that don't include causation. I would enjoy a more accessible and well thought out explanation of specifically why change is impossible to deny, and why as such we need understand it in Aristotelian terms. This would clarify some of your readers' misunderstandings (including my own) of what natural philosophy is truly founded upon (if not the observations of the physical world, which would be more sound in judgement if they were integrated in scientific analysis).

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  79. "Georgi Marinov said...

    And the foundations of the modern theory of evolution was developed by Fisher, Wright and Haldane, who knew or used absolutely no math either..."

    Yikes, doesn't even have a basic comprehension of history.

    From Wikipedia: "Sir Ronald Aylmer Fisher FRS[2] (17 February 1890 – 29 July 1962), who published as R.A. Fisher, was an English statistician, and biologist, who used mathematics to combine Mendelian genetics and natural selection, helping to create a new Darwinist synthesis of evolution known as modern evolutionary synthesis.."

    So he "knew or used absolutely no math" despite the fact that mathematics was integral to his life's work. Oh yeah, he was also a statistician. I'm pretty sure they know math.

    "And evolutionary biology is completely math-free too."

    Despite the fact that perhaps the leading theoretical biologist in the world (Martin Nowak of Harvard) is actually a mathematical biologist. Not to mention renowned mathematician Karl Sigmund, a pioneer of evolutionary game theory. Or Robert May and Ard Louis of Oxford University. Ard Louis even suggests that evolution is a stochastic process, just like a Monte Carlo algorithm. A stochastic process, where you randomly flip a certain thing and then select upon it, is the most efficient way to solve high dimensional problems in biological space. How is that not compatible with teleology?

    You'd think someone with an apparent PhD in biology would know these things.

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  80. If the argument is made (as Feser does above) that causality can be inherent in the subject (the decaying atoms in this case), and the subject received this property from whatever created it, how is that not an appeal to chronological causation that he elsewhere takes such pains to deny (i.e. denying that the causation argument amounts to a deterministic relation between two events: this thing came about because of that thing which came about because of this other thing, etc)?

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  81. If it is argued (as Feser does above) that causality can be inherent in the subject, how is that not a return to the chronological causality he elsewhere takes such pains to deny (i.e. this thing is contingent on this other thing is contingent on this other thing going back in time)?

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  82. Sorry, but it's not incoherent at all. It's perfectly clear; you just don't get it yet.

    But don't feel bad about that (or angry at anyone who points it out). Most people just don't get it, initially, as a result of our philosophical illiteracy in the Western World. When we paddle up an Amazonian river and encounter a guy living in a dirt-floored hut with a bone in his nose, we don't have any right to expect he'll understand how an iPhone works, the first time he sees it. Similarly, when Aquinas encounters us, he doesn't immediately expect us to grasp his richer understanding of causation, even though we are, to him, what the hut-dweller is to us: Vulgar, stinking, illiterate barbarians, with bones in our noses. He knows that we're well-intentioned and our philosophy-deprived upbringing isn't our fault. Aquinas himself was too well-mannered to pat you condescendingly on the head, after reading what you wrote...but the gesture wouldn't have been out-of-place.

    One could observe that the laws of physics are popularly understood as being required to allow many things to exist and to behave as they do. But they don't declare a gravitational constant first and then apples fall from trees second. The apple's falling is simultaneous with the laws of physics that cause it.

    Or, one could notice that the existence of your body is contingent upon the ongoing existence of the atoms from which it is composed. If the atoms suddenly winked out of existence, so would your body. But the atoms didn't first exist for a while, and then once they were done existing, your body came into being. On the contrary, your body's being is precisely simultaneous with theirs. This also is a form of causation.

    It isn't the idea of causation you're familiar with, true enough. But your view is very narrow and parochial, owing to the narrow and parochial mentality of the culture and educational system that gave it to you. Not your fault! ...but there's a bigger world out there, so don't be like the stereotypical rude American tourist who reacts to every new thing in the country he's visiting by complaining that it isn't like what he was accustomed to back home.

    Your post stated "in a group of events occurring simultaneously no member of the group can be...referred to as a cause." I'm sorry, but that's wrong. Provided we replace the overly-specific word "events" with the broader word "things," they not only can be referred to in that way, correctly and non-arbitrarily, but they have been, meaningfully and helpfully, for three thousand years. Nobody ever taught you about that, and it's not your fault you didn't know, but...now you do!

    You need to accept it: Nobody's ever taught you this usage of "cause," and you can't expect to use the word properly in a new context on the basis of another, different usage comes from a different context, is relatively recently-invented, is less widely applicable, and is usually articulated in ways that are logically hard-to-defend. Expecting yourself to use the word "cause" in a sentence without first taking the time to learn how this new (to you) grammar and vocabulary fit together is a mistake.

    But the bigger mistake is to approach a topic you don't even slightly know, and make assertions about it in front of people who know better.

    Fact is, you're a noob. That's okay. I'm barely beyond noob-status, myself. But if you can't humbly admit that you're a noob, and listen with a certain openness, you'll never learn anything new, and you'll stay permanently in noob-town. What good would that be?

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