Monday, June 23, 2025

Preventive war and the U.S. attack on Iran

Last week I argued that the U.S. should stay out of Israel’s war with Iran.  America has now entered the war by bombing three facilities associated with Iran’s nuclear program.  Is this action morally justifiable in light of traditional just war doctrine? 

War aims?      

Let us note, first, that much depends on exactly what the U.S. intends to accomplish.  A week ago, before the attack, President Trump warned that Tehran should be evacuated, called for Iran’s unconditional surrender, and stated that the U.S. would not kill Iran’s Supreme Leader “for now” – thereby insinuating that it may yet do so at some future time.  Meanwhile, many prominent voices in the president’s party have been calling for regime change in Iran, and Trump himself this week has joined this chorus.  If we take all of this at face value, it gives the impression that the U.S. intends or is at least open to an ambitious and open-ended military commitment comparable to the American intervention in Iraq under President Bush. 

As I argued in my previous essay, if this is what is intended, U.S. action would not be morally justifiable by traditional just war criteria.  I focused on two points in particular.  First, the danger such intervention would pose to civilian lives and infrastructure would violate the just war condition that a war must be fought using only morally acceptable means.  Second, given the chaos regime change would likely entail, and the quagmire into which the U.S. would be drawn, such an ambitious intervention would violate the just war condition that a military action must not result in evils that are worse than the one being redressed.

However, it is likely that we should not take the president’s words at face value.  He has a long-established tendency to engage in “trash talk” and to make off-the-cuff remarks that reflect merely what has popped into his head at the moment rather than any well thought out or settled policy decision.  Furthermore, even when he does have in mind some settled general policy goal, he appears prone to “making it up as he goes” where the details are concerned (as evidenced, for example, by his erratic moves during the tariff controversy earlier this year).  My best guess is that he does not want an Iraq-style intervention but also does not have a clear idea of exactly how far he is willing to go if Iran continues to resist his will. 

As I said in my previous essay, this is itself a serious problem.  An erratic and woolly-minded leader who does not intend a wider war is liable nevertheless to be drawn into one by events, and can also cause other harm, short of that, through reckless statements. 

But so far, at least, the U.S. has in fact only bombed the facilities in question.  Suppose for the sake of argument that this limited “one and done” intervention is all that is intended.  Would this much be justifiable under just war doctrine?

Preemptive versus preventive war

This brings us to an issue which I only touched on in my earlier essay but which is obviously no less important (indeed, even more important) than the two criteria I focused on: the justice of the cause for which the war is being fought, which is the first criterion of just war doctrine.  The reason I did not say more about it is that the issue is more complex than meets the eye.  I think Israel can make a strong case that its attack on Iran’s nuclear program meets the just cause condition for a just war.  But it is harder for the U.S. to meet that condition, even on a “one and done” scenario.

To understand why, we need to say something about a controversy that arose during the Iraq war and is highly relevant to the current situation, but hasn’t received the attention it ought to.  I refer to the debate over the morality of preventive war, which ethicists often distinguish from preemptive war. 

In both preemptive war and preventive war, a country takes military action against another country that has not attacked it.  And in both cases, the country initiating hostilities nevertheless claims to be acting in self-defense.  This might seem like sophistry and a manifest violation of the just cause criterion of just war doctrine.  How can a country that begins a war claim self-defense? 

But there is a crucial difference between the two cases.  In a preemptive war, country B is preparing to attack country A but has not in fact yet done so.  Country A simply preempts this coming attack by striking first, and can claim self-defense insofar as country B was indeed going to attack it.  By contrast, in a preventive war, country B was not preparing to attack country A.  But country A attacks country B anyway, claiming that country B likely would pose a threat to A at some point in the future.

Now, it is generally acknowledged among ethicists that preemptive war can sometimes be morally justifiable.  But preventive war is much more problematic and controversial.  There are two main traditions of thinking on this subject (a useful overview of which can be found in chapter 9 of Gregory Reichberg’s book Thomas Aquinas on War and Peace).  On the one hand, there is the natural law tradition of thinking about just war criteria, associated with Scholastic Catholic writers like Thomas Aquinas and Francisco de Vitoria, Protestants like Hugo Grotius, and more recent Thomists like the nineteenth-century Catholic theologian Luigi Taparelli.  According to this tradition, preventive war is flatly morally illegitimate.  It violates the principle that a person or country cannot be harmed merely for some wrong it might do, but only for some wrong that it has in fact done.

The other main approach is the “realist” tradition associated with Protestant thinkers like Alberico Gentili, Francis Bacon, and (with qualifications, since he also drew on the natural law tradition) Emer de Vattel.  As Reichberg notes, whereas the natural law approach takes the international order to be governed by the moral law just as relations between individuals are, the tendency of the realist tradition is to look at the international arena in something more like Hobbesian terms.  And the realist tradition is thus more favorable to preventive war as a tool nations might deploy as they negotiate this Hobbesian state of nature. 

As Reichberg also notes, Vattel put the following conditions on the justifiability of some country A’s initiating a preventive war against another country B.  First, country B must actually pose a potential threat to country A.  Second, country B must threaten the very existence of country A.  Third, it must intend to pose such a threat.  And fourth, it must somehow have actually shown signs of evildoing in the past.  Vattel adds the condition that country A must first have tried and failed to secure guarantees from country B that it will not attack A.

Much of the controversy over the Iraq war had to do with whether a preventive war is morally justifiable, and the Bush administration did sometimes say things that implied that the war was preventive in nature.  But as I argued at the time, this particular aspect of the debate was a red herring.  The main rationale for the war was that Saddam had not complied with the terms of the ceasefire of the Gulf War, so that the U.S. and her allies were justified in re-starting hostilities in order to force compliance.  Whatever one thinks of this as a rationale, it is not an appeal to preventive war.  Hence any criticism of the Iraq war should, in my view, focus on other aspects of it (such as the intelligence failure vis-à-vis WMD and the folly of the nation-building enterprise the war led to).

The case of Iran

What matters for present purposes, though, is the relevance of all this to the war with Iran.  Now, it was Israel rather than Iran that initiated the current hostilities.  Was this morally justifiable?

It seems clear to me that it was justifiable by Vattel’s criteria for preventive war.  But as a natural law theorist, I don’t think preventive war can be justified, so that that particular point is moot.  However, that does not entail that it was wrong for Israel to attack Iran’s nuclear program.  For it can plausibly be seen as a justifiable preemptive rather than preventive attack.  To be sure, Iran was not preparing a specific nuclear attack operation, since it does not actually have nuclear weapons.  But Israel can make the following argument: Iran has already been in a state of war with Israel for years; its leadership has repeatedly threatened Israel’s destruction; if it acquired nuclear weapons, it would actually be capable of carrying out this threat; and it has for years been trying to acquire them.  Destroying its nuclear program is therefore not merely a preventive action, but in the relevant sense an act of preempting an attack (in its very earliest stages, as it were) that Israel has good reason to think Iran actually intends.

This seems to me a strong argument, so that I think that Israel can indeed make the case that it has a just cause, at least insofar as its aim is simply to destroy Iran’s nuclear program.  (A more ambitious goal of regime change would be much harder to justify, for the same reason that, as I said in my earlier article, it would not be justifiable for the U.S. to attempt regime change.  But here I am just addressing the more limited aim of destroying Iran’s nuclear capability.)

However, this does not entail that the U.S. is justified in attacking Iran.  Note first that the recent U.S. bombing was not carried out in response to any act of war on Iran’s part against the United States.  True, some have pointed out that U.S. and Iranian-backed forces have been involved in various skirmishes in recent decades.  But it would be dishonest to pretend that that had anything to do with the recent U.S. action.  If Iran’s nuclear program had not been in the picture, Trump would not have ordered the bombing.  Hence, if the U.S. is claiming to be acting in justifiable self-defense, it could plausibly do so only by the criteria governing preemptive war or preventive war.

But in fact, it cannot plausibly do so.  Note first that the U.S. action does not meet even Vattel’s criteria for preventive war.  For even if Iran already had nuclear weapons, it would not pose a threat to the very existence of the United States (the way it would pose a threat to the very existence of Israel).  For one thing, Iran lacks any plausible means of getting a nuclear device into the United States; for another, even if it could do so, it would hardly be able to destroy the country as a whole.  Hence, any “preventive war” case for U.S. self-defense is fanciful.  And if that is true, then it is even more obvious that the U.S. cannot plausibly meet the more stringent criteria for a preemptive war case.  Iran simply cannot plausibly be said to have been in the process of planning a nuclear attack on the U.S., even in the looser sense in which it might be said to have been planning such an attack on Israel. 

I conclude that no serious case can be made that the U.S. attack on Iran was a justifiable act of self-defense.  However, there is one further way the attack might seem to be justified.  Couldn’t the U.S. argue that, even though it couldn’t plausibly hold that it was defending itself, it was justifiably helping its ally Israel to defend itself?

Certainly it can be justifiable to help an ally to defend itself.  But whether it ought to do so in any particular case depends on various circumstances.  For example, suppose Iran actually had a nuclear weapon and it was known that it was about to deploy it against Israel and that only the U.S. could stop the attack.  I would say that in that sort of scenario, the U.S. not only could intervene to stop such an attack but would be morally obligated to do so.  And it would also be morally justifiable for the U.S. to intervene in order to help Israel in other, less dire scenarios.

But we are not now in a situation remotely close to such scenarios.  There are various ways Israel could stop Iran’s nuclear program by itself – as, it appears, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has acknowledged.  Meanwhile, there are serious potential downsides to U.S. involvement.  American troops could be killed by Iranian retaliatory strikes, the U.S. economy could be hit hard if Iran closes off the Strait of Hormuz, and if the Iranian regime were to collapse the U.S. could be drawn into a quagmire in attempting to mitigate the resulting chaos.  Yes, such things might not in fact happen, but they plausibly could happen, and keeping one’s fingers crossed is not a serious way to approach the application of just war criteria.  If Israel doesn’t strictly need the U.S. to intervene and intervention poses such potential risks to U.S. interests, then the U.S. should not intervene.

Hence I am inclined to conclude the following about the U.S. attack, even if (as we can hope) it does indeed turn out to be a “one and done” operation.  Was American bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities intrinsically wrong?  No.  But did it meet all the conditions of just war doctrine, all things considered?  No.

57 comments:

  1. Is it really wrong to protect an ally even if the ally can do it itself? Usually alliances are one-sided, but NATO is predicated on *mutual* defense. In 1991, Kuwait couldn't protect itself, but Egypt, UK, and Australia weren't really needed once the US got involved; was it therefore wrong for them to help?

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    1. Is it really wrong to protect an ally even if the ally can do it itself?

      No, but again, whether it is a good idea depends on circumstances

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    2. Under preventive war- Israel (1) knew Iran was trying to develop a nuclear weapon, (2) Iran would use that weapon against Israel and (3) The USA is the only country that possesses the bunker buster bombs that can penetrate deep enough so (4) the USA could be justified in helping Israel survive by eliminating Iran’s nuclear threat and not pursuing regime change

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    3. tomsp, I think you are right and that your point (3) is key to the discussion. When your ally is at risk and you are the only country that can assist them, I would think it is just to intervene on their behalf.

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  2. A week ago, before the attack, President Trump warned that Tehran should be evacuated, called for Iran’s unconditional surrender, and stated that the U.S. would not kill Iran’s Supreme Leader “for now” – thereby insinuating that it may yet do so at some future time. Meanwhile, many prominent voices in the president’s party have been calling for regime change in Iran, and Trump himself this week has joined this chorus. If we take all of this at face value, it gives the impression that the U.S. intends or is at least open to an ambitious and open-ended military commitment comparable to the American intervention in Iraq under President Bush.

    I don't find this conclusion very plausible. The "regime change" envisioned need not entail a large-scale war, and it is far more probable that Trump would turn to other means to bring it about, e.g. special forces, or politically destabilizing moves that cause the Iranians themselves to change the regime. Trump is very unlikely to side with neocons over his more America First base to favor a Bush-style protracted war.

    As Reichberg also notes, Vattel put the following conditions on the justifiability of some country A’s initiating a preventive war against another country B. First, country B must actually pose a potential threat to country A. Second, country B must threaten the very existence of country A. Third, it must intend to pose such a threat.

    The second of these is an irrational superposition of some extraneous theory, and doesn't arise in normal just war theory. It is enough for the just cause of war be on account of some grave harm, not solely that of total destruction. Just war theory allows for "grave harm" to be various and multi-faceted in principle, and not relegated to just one item, sheer existence. Loss of your religion is actually a graver harm than loss of existence.

    And while the modern phrasing of the criteria of just war entails that the grave harm be "certain", this term is understood in a relative sense: certain in the way concrete determinations are made in real life, not the mathematical certainty of fundamental principles of arithmetic. The harm anticipated is to be combined with the certainty of the future attack to arrive at a reasonable "expected value" of the harm projected to be grave: the more grave the harm, the less definitively certain you need to be - which is exactly the same KIND of risk analysis you use in daily life to consider risks and dealing with them (like buying insurance) - you play out the expected value of the harm together with its probability of occurring, and act accordingly. If you're under attack right now, you are already adequately certain and you don't have to decide in detail just how much harm is going to be suffered; if your enemy has amassed 12 divisions of heavy mechanized cavalry at one point of your border, it's highly likely that an attack is going to happen, and the DEGREE of harm likely to occur is quite grave. If your neighbor is building a nuke, the degree of harm possible is graver still than that, so you need slightly less certainty that it's going to be used to act on it.

    This is NOT intended to get us out of demanding that Trump come forward with the evidence of both the work designed to produce nukes and the detailed assessment of Iran's intent to use them - more than merely shouted slogans against America in Tehran rallies. It does not have to have to be a threat directly against America in order to justify American force, as a nation is entitled to protect other nations and the world from grave threats to peace. But to the extent that the threat to America was not high, to that extent the degree or certainty of danger to others must be very high indeed.

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    1. Hi Tony,

      Yes, there are various imaginable ways regime change could be brought about, but the point is that bringing it about by way of Israeli or U.S. intervention about has a high likelihood of leaving Iran in an unacceptably chaotic state, and then possibly drawing the U.S. in to try to clean up the mess on “you break it, you bought it” grounds.

      As to your comment on what I said about Vattel, sure, you could tinker with his approach to make an application to the current situation more plausible, but I did not get into all that since I think the “preventive war” rationale is just wrongheaded in the first place.

      As to “certainty,” I didn’t say anything about that in this post in the first place, and am certainly not committed to a “mathematical certainty” requirement or the like.

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    2. Tony, I don't believe that this is how moral certitude works from a Catholic perspective. Moral certitude means "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". It is not the same as "absolute certitude" which is what you get from geometric and other mathematical proofs. This whole approach is very different than the sort of risk based analysis common in economics and business. If your interested in deeper treatment of this, I'd look at reading Alphonsus Liguori.

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    3. James, I am open to correction, but I thought I WAS giving a Catholic account of how to apply the need for...let's use a new term to avoid ambiguity, "confidence" as applied to the moral action. If you have a specific passage from Liguori, I welcome it. A link? .

      There are 3 "fonts" of morality to every moral action. First, when it comes to considering the object of the act, one needs to be fully confident that the object of the act, which specifies is nature, is either good or neutral>. Here there is no "room for doubt", as I understand it you're supposed to NOT ACT if you are in doubt about whether the object of the act is evil. An act is impermissible if your conscience is doubtful as to its basic nature being good or at least neutral.

      A similar issue applies to the end of the act, the good intended - but since this is normally formally understood as "a good" or it wouldn't be your intention, this is not usually a problem.

      When you are deciding on whether to go to war (ius ad bellum), you already know that war in its species is morally neutral. It may be good in some cases and evil in other cases, depending on circumstances. Thus, it passes the first test. And it is (relatively) easy to have good motives (though not all intentions for war would qualify as "good" in the proper sense, and maybe Netanyahu's don't qualify).

      Now it comes to the third font of morality of the act, i.e. "circumstances". Here, the act must be weighed with the many conditions that affect it - both the details of carrying out the act, and the results that flow from it. It is here where confidence takes on a different cast than with respect to reflecting on the object of the act. Here it is utterly impossible to have "moral certainty" of the totality of the results as considered, there are simply too many variables to have - as a "net result all things considered" - to say you have "moral certainty" of them in the SAME SENSE as about the object of the act. For example, a legislator in weighing whether to vote for a new bill that would have the result of reducing the numbers of abortions but still explicitly makes room for them in the law, the Church's explicit teaching is that it MAY be moral to vote for such a bill on the grounds that in the net effect it is expected to cause a reduction in the evil of abortion. (Even though, in a country where abortion had been illegal for centuries, passing the same bill would be immoral because it would INCREASE abortions.) Though the legislator might need to publicly declare his thoughts as "I would rather this bill outlaw abortion entirely, but this small improvement is better than the existing situation in order to forestall the evil of his seeming to approve of abortion. In this analysis, it is appropriate to have reasonable confidence that the good effects outweigh the bad effects. Certainty is NOT the standard of confidence. When the US entered the war in WWII, we had reasonable confidence in success, but we couldn't possibly have had moral certainty that we would succeed as the same sort of moral certainty we had that going to war is morally neutral as to the object of the act. For one thing, if the Germans got the A-bomb, we might well have lost. For another, if Britain had been forced to surrender in 1942, (not an impossibility as we were losing the shipping war in the Atlantic) we would have had a terrible time staging any forces into Africa, Italy, or France. Etc. War is ALWAYS an uncertain affair with approximately parity opponents, and German + Japan was an approximate parity opponent to the Allies. The point is that the kind of reasoning applied to the consequences is one that requires weighting of vastly many factors, and in this sort reasonable confidence is normally the best you can have, and that's all that's required for this font of morality to the moral act.

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    4. In case I was not sufficiently clear: I am claiming that the confidence needed in things like estimating "is that antagonist to my country planning to launch an attack" and "is the resulting damage expected grave" and "are there other (non-military) things not yet tried that I could try that have a chance of working" is NOT the confidence needed for assurance that the object of the act is good or morally neutral. For the latter, Catholic moral theology speaks with one voice, the assurance required is that of moral certainty, and this characterization comes to us from before modern times, including before "beyond a reasonable doubt" became the standard for juries to decide on a guilty verdict for a crime. It has a similar character to "beyond a reasonable doubt", as moral certainty should not leave room for reasonable doubt, but I suspect that moralists would distinguish it from "beyond a reasonable doubt" on various grounds.

      My point is that like in a dispute with your neighbor where you suddenly are reasonably certain his threatening words (including "fighting words") have tipped over into an ACTUAL intent to launch an attack, you might not be "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he is now planning to attack but still be reasonably confident that he is, based on, for example, having watched him start several other fights in just this way. If you are a woman, smaller and lighter, letting him get the first punch might be a guarantee of losing the fight, and waiting until you are beyond a reasonable doubt probably means losing the fight and maybe a hospital stay, whereas your getting the first hit might (if you have some training) end the fight in short order with nobody headed to the hospital, (or just him, for lesser damage than you would have sustained). Played out in nations, similar estimations are suitable: estimations of intent, of likely damage to be suffered, of plausible other avenues to try beside military action. Reasonable confidence of each, tempered by real-world intangibles.

      For that last (using non-military efforts): many people have pointed out that "diplomatic efforts" and "economic sanctions" and the like are options. Indeed they are. But it's not like we haven't tried these before. We HAVE tried them, and while they sometimes work, often they have shown just how limited in usefulness they are: we HAVE levied economic sanctions on countries (Russia right now, Iran at various times), North Korea, with extremely limited success. We subjected Cuba to economic sanctions for 50 years without notable success. (And, arguably, THAT might have been immoral too.) And so on.

      It is demonstrably problematic to claim to be certain of another nation's intention to wage a war, in the modern era where nobody announces it beforehand. And where they go through vast effort to disguise and deceive about their intentions. If "moral certainty" (in the sense needed for knowing the object of the moral act is good or neutral) that your opponent has definitively decided to make war is a requirement for you making a ius ad bellum decision before they have actually attacked, then preemptive war would ALWAYS be immoral and Catholic moralists would have already come to that settled conclusion long ago. All I am doing is trying to flush out the meaning of the kind of confidence needed that would at least sometimes permit a preemptive strike, on the assumption that the Catholic moralists that hold such a preemptive strike IS sometimes moral have a leg to stand on. And that such a position can have meaning in real world events, not just theoretical scenarios that could never happen.

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  3. Hey Prof!

    Intriguing post!

    Although it seems like other natural law theorists may have taken a different position.

    https://www.undergroundthomist.org/rules-based-international-order

    This post by the esteemed Dr J Budziszewski.

    It isn't as comprehensive as yours.

    But overall approach seems to be from a different perspective.

    Would be really great if some day the Thomistic Institute could organise some kind of conference on just war theory.

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    1. Thanks, Norm, I'll check out what J. has said

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    2. Hey Prof

      Thanks for the response.

      I forgot to mention that I am in complete agreement with your position.

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  4. Regardless of just war theoretical concerns, it seems that no one was killed in the bombing raid because Iran was explicitly told to clear out and no one was killed in Iran's retaliation since they explicitly told Qatar (and us) when and where it was going to happen. Now a ceasefire has been agreed upon and everyone's honor is satisfied almost as if all sides agreed this was the way it was going to go down.

    Did just war theorists see this coming? Or do they think it's immoral for combatants to deceive their hardliners into ending conflict?

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    1. Part of the problem here is that we have to respond to what is actually said or proposed, and the things Trump says or proposes are not always what he actually does. For example, from what he said last week, any reasonable person would think an attack on Tehran was likely.

      What happens then is critics will explain why such an attack would be bad, and then when Trump doesn't actually carry out such an attack, his defenders say "Ah see, you were wrong!" No, the critics were still perfectly correct about what would be wrong with an attack on Tehran. The fact that he didn't do it doesn't magically make their criticisms mistaken. And of course, had he carried out such an attack, the critics would say "Oh he had to do that, because reasons." There's a constant "Heads I win, tails you lose" shtick that makes serious engagement with certain of his defenders impossible.

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    2. Certainly people have to respond to what they think is intended. But as you say Trump doesn't always do what people think he intended.

      Let's say for the sake of argument that things settle down and peace comes about. Also let's say for the sake of argument that Trump actually intended this to happen rather than just being a fluke. Better yet, let's pretend it was someone other than Trump that did this so we can ensure there is no personal bias from supporters or detractors.

      It seems that just war theory was violated by dropping the bombs (some would argue) yet a peaceful outcome was achieved with little or no human life lost. Was the action of the fictional president just? Or since he violated just war theory was his action unjust although it achieved the practical end of bloodless peace?

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      Great questions. It is not all about Trump (though Trump vaingloriously would like it to be so). The likely results of this administration are going to be very good for hard working American citizens of all ethnicities. The military is much better; the EPA is much better; the Treasury and commerce departments are in good hands; America's enemies will start to fear us instead of ridicule us; manufacturing will return; people will have better diets and won't be as over-vaccinated; but the downside is that a prideful Trump who says all sorts of stupid things will be praised. Personally, I will take that downside.

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    4. For the sake of argument, I'm not much interested in whether Trump being president is good or bad overall or even who is president. I'm also not interested in who was "right" and who was "wrong".
      I'm interested in how this episode effects our understanding of just war theory. Is just war theory wrong?

      I think it would be a bad thing to condemn a strategy that results in the best possible outcome according to just war theory just because our understanding of just war theory tells us we shouldn't use that strategy.

      Does our theory of just war in general need tweaking? Or do we need to tweak our understanding of just war to accommodate the modern situation of nuclear weapons?

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  5. Hi Ed:

    I've been wavering between skeptical and cautiously optimistic regarding Trump's actions in Iran these past couple of weeks, but at this point, I think we need to give the man serious credit.

    According to the Iranians themselves, Trump's bombings of the nuclear enrichment sites left ZERO human casualties, and I'm inclined to believe this, because their incentive would be to claim that he missed his military targets but needlessly killed thousands of civilians instead, in order to gain international sympathy (as the Palestinians routinely do, for instance).

    A nuclear-armed Iran would be a serious threat to multiple of our allies in the region, not just Israel, and really to us as well. We've also dealt with Iranian-sponsored terrorist attacks on our people and assets nonstop since 1979, so I think we do have a legitimate preemptive basis for destroying their nuclear enrichment ability. If that could actually be accomplished with minimal or even no loss of life and without further escalation, I have a hard time seeing how just war criteria would not be satisfied by any reasonable accounting.

    Finally, it's too early to say for certain, but it looks like Trump has DEESCALATED the war, and has in fact persuaded Israel to walk back their regime change plans and agree to a truce.

    Like you, it's long been my view that Trump's penchant for trash talk is just him shooting off the cuff and making things up as he goes, but I think we need to seriously consider that it's likely quite a bit more strategic, measured, and temperate that it seems. His foreign policy seems to work out far better and more consistently than you would expect for someone behaving recklessly. Furthermore, the months of meticulous operational security that it turns out made these targeted bombings possible would not be possible under a disorderly and chaotic regime.

    I think we need to strongly consider that Trump's rhetoric and saber-rattling really was strategically designed to scare Iran into backing down and mollify Israel into accepting a ceasefire, and that he correctly judged the best course of action to minimize bloodshed while neutralizing threats. Notice how in his announcement of a ceasefire, he's praising both countries for fighting bravely, allowing Iran to save face in defeat.

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    1. Hi Deuce,

      It's way too early to say anything for certain about the ceasefire one way or the other. As to the trash talk, I think that has nothing to do with it. In other contexts, it has clearly done nothing but harm -- for example, in the case of the idiotic "51st state" talk vis-a-vis Canada, which has greatly damaged our alliance and led to the victory of the left-wing party there (which would otherwise have gone down to defeat). In the current situation, if things turn out OK it will not have been because of the trash talk but because of the massive bombing.

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    2. "As the Palestinians routinely do" so you are saying that Israel has not actually targeted civilian buildings in Gaza?

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    3. When they have, it's because Hamas has hidden weapons and facilities in them. That's Hamas's war crime, not Israel's.

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    4. Yes, of course, you are right.

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  6. So, you GUESS that Trump doesn't have a clear idea of how far he's willing to go.

    That's the DUMBEST comment I've seen since the war began.

    Do you SERIOUSLY THINK that Trump hasn't EXTENSIVELY war-gamed out his plan with his cabinet and all the military brass?

    Yeah, right.

    He ain't playin' 4D chess.

    He's playin' Tic Tac Toe.

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    1. Really? The "Tehran should be evacuated immediately" tweet was "extensively war-gamed out with his cabinet and all the military brass"?

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    2. To me, "Tehran should be evacuated immediately" is the same kind of feint that allowed the B2s to fly to Iran without interference, since it seemed most of them were going in the other direction.

      In as much as it could be construed to be a lie, I would have a problem with that, but to assume it was Trump just mouthing off (even though he does do that) seems a little reductive. The President is clearly capable of some serious high-level, complex planning.

      I think your commentary on the current situation with respect to Just War theory is thoughtful and valid, but your hand-waving of Trump's actions and words as necessarily mercurial and poorly-thought out might not be.

      However, I wonder if any weight can be given to the fact that Iran has been constantly calling for the destruction of the U.S., as well as Israel for almost a half century. If someone is constantly threatening to kill you, I think there's a point where it's valid self-defense to make sure he can't.

      And the idea of only intervening when the imminent destruction of the U.S. is evident seems to lack prudence when nuclear weapons are in the mix. A single bomb smuggled into an American city and set off would not destroy the country, but destroying Iran's nuclear capabilities to prevent the possibility makes a lot of sense. Whether it's morally justified is beyond my pay grade, but the nature of nuclear weapons and the fact that the U.S. is likely full of terrorist sleeper cells makes such a consideration more than academic.

      And of course we have no idea if the so-called intelligence about Iran being close to having a nuclear weapon is in any way valid, since we've been hearing that warning for about 30 years. But... nuclear weapons. Does anyone doubt that Iran's leadership would use them if it had them? Certainly nothing would deter them from using them if that's what they wanted to do.

      I wish Trump hadn't done it, and I honestly didn't think he would, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see how it works out. Only then can we have any idea whether it made things better or worse. Perhaps we will never know.

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  7. The real question is: Why is the US so pro-Israel?
    The US should let Israel be Israel and Iran be Iran, and let them settle their differences themselves.
    I would like to see Edward Feser's take on the morality of the US's inordinate pro-Israel stance.

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  8. I think you're being overly generous towards Israel's motivations. Bibi has been lying about the Iranian nuclear program for close to three decades.

    Plus he's facing serious charges of corruption at home and leads a coalition beholding to religious nutcases that make the mullahs look sane by comparison.

    His motivation is simply to trash Iran because a foreign war, just like the genocide in Gaza keeps the lawyers from his door.

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    1. 1) there is no genocide in Gaza

      2) https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-iaea-weapons-grade-uranium-trump-0b11a99a7364f9a43e1c83b220114d45#:~:text=The%20report%20by%20the%20Vienna,the%20last%20report%20in%20November.

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    2. Israel killed 56000 people in Gaza since 2023.

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  9. I know nothing more of just war doctrine than what I have read here. Perhaps a different president would have acted in another way. I do wonder whether strategists think much about just war, let alone talking about it. The President's unpredictability clearly is not winning world praise. It appears he (and his supporters) do not care.

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  10. I really appreciate the time you took to writing about this from the angle of the preventative vs preemptive angle and trying to apply moral principles to actual facts. So many other commentators seem only concerned with the "national interest" of Israel and the United States, and it comes across as if all that matters are the consequences.

    I think that, overall, I agree with your principals, but disagree with you about what facts are relevant and what our certitude is about them.

    There seems to me to be lack evidence that, until June 12, that Iran had a present intention to make nuclear weapons. The Nuclear Program was officially ended. They were part of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. We have the testimony from Tulsi Gabbard in March stating that Iran did not want a nuclear weapon.

    Against this is Iran's nuclear enrichment program, which enriched uranium to a level only needed for making nuclear weapons. I'll note, however, that they've had enough highly enriched uranium t make a nuclear weapon in a short amount for years now, and to our knowledge they still don't have one. Instead, of believing that they are presently making a nuclear weapon, it seems better to say that their nuclear ambitious were subject to a future condition. This is similar to saying that the United States is willing to use nuclear weapons in certain future conditions.

    Another reason for doubting Iran's intention to actually using nuclear weapons is the principle of MAD, which every nuclear rivalry (Russia and the US, North Korea and South Korea, India and Pakistan) seems to have followed for the past 50 years.

    At the very least, based on publicly provided information, we lack moral certainty about Iran's intentions to use nuclear weapons.

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  11. Do you agree with JD Vance that the strike on Irans uranium-enrichment facilities was a "war on nuclear enrichment" and not a "war on Iran?"

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  12. Thank you for your analysis.

    "It seems clear to me that it was justifiable by Vattel’s criteria for preventive war. But as a natural law theorist, I don’t think preventive war can be justified, so that that particular point is moot."

    Would a preventative war be akin to making it illegal (and therefore punishing) a convicted felon of attempting to obtain a firearm, and if so, are you against that as well?

    If a rogue nation has killed US soldiers, threatened to wipe the US and Israel off the map, sponsored terroristic groups against both an ally and the US, is it prudent, and moral, to allow them to develop a nuclear weapon? Isn't a future of grave harm quite foreseeable?

    Do we allow our maniac, homicidal neighbor to obtain an AK-47 and wait for them to do mass damage before reacting? Or, sit and let them terrorize the neighborhood, waving their AK-47 out of the window, while panicked children and parents try to go about their business?

    (I understand that other rogue countries have nuclear weapons but I don't believe that the failure to prevent those from doing so justifies allowing others to accomplish the same thing.)

    It sounds almost like a foreign policy with a libertarian bent. Live and let live (under a great deal of terror) until some actual damage is done.

    I'm no expert so I look forward to your comments.

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  13. lol smh .. if Israel can claim a 'justifiable preemptive strike' against Iran for the reasons you mentioned, then Iran’s justification for such an attack against Israel is even stronger. For: 1) Israel already has nukes (80–400 warheads, per FAS), 2) Israel has a history of preemptive strikes (Iraq, Syria, etc.), 3) Israel has explicitly and repeatedly threatened Iran, 4) Israel has already attacked Iran (sabotage, assassinations), 5) Israel’s occupation, apartheid policies, and genocidal actions prove a willingness to use extreme force, and finally 6) Under Article 51 (UN Charter) and the Caroline Doctrine, Iran could legally argue that Israel’s nuclear arsenal, combined with its history of aggression and explicit threats, constitutes an imminent existential threat—justifying a preemptive strike.

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    1. I was a literal shabbos goy for a day.
      You make some interesting points.

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  14. I too doubt the validity of "preventive war". I am not (yet) 100% sold that it cannot ever be moral, but I doubt it can.

    The problem is that in practice most wars that are initiated on grounds similar to this are in some way presented more as preemptive than purely preventive, and it is difficult to parse because the facts on the ground are hard to establish as to (a) whether they are indeed factual, and then (b) what intentions they imply. Country A says "you acquired X, which means you have intent to try to do Y," whereas Country denies intention Y and claims intention Z. Having enriched uranium beyond the level used for commercial purposes itself bears some indicator of intent, but not a perfect indicator. Israel (or the US) puts that together with other facts, e.g. stated official intention to harm them (or us) to derive an inferred intention to make nukes. They put this together with Iran promoting terrorism, and with (some) terrorist manifestos indicating a willingness to use nukes and general plans for how to use them, to infer an intention by Iran to make nukes to be used against Israel or US.

    I am not claiming that these inferences are solid - obviously there's a lot of room to raise doubts. My point is that the inferences PRESENT a case of preemptive rather than preventive war. And that this is usually the kind of argument used to go to war. So, even if it were agreed that preventive war is not morally justified, that will have relatively little impact on particular cases because the claims tend to run to preemptive war.

    And even leaving it at the level of theory: what is the moral difference between making a weapon that "we will use if and when they leave us a good opening to use it, though we're not sure when that will be" and "planning to use it".

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  15. I don't think Vattel's opinions are premised on scholastic reasoning. We are contually told to run after red herrings. For Washington and Tel Aviv now, as in the Gulf War, the motive is only regime change, based on the nature of the regime and not any threats it might pose. Therefore, the actions of both are immoral.

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    1. I don't think Vattel's opinions are premised on scholastic reasoning

      I didn't say they were, and as I said, I don't accept his position in the first place. The reason for discussing him was, first, to elucidate the nature of "preventive war" and how it differs from preemptive war; and second, to note that if a "U.S. intervention is self-defense" case couldn't be made even on the looser "preventive war" standard, then it is that much less plausibly justified on a stricter "preemptive war" standard

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  16. I don't care at all whether the US attack met the criteria of some 'just war doctrine'. That's nice playground for intellectuals without a sense of reality. Moralistic crap in my opinion. If the US had abandoned Israel in this vital fight, not only would the Israel-US alliance have come apart, but the image of the US would have suffered a shocking blow in the eyes of the world. It would have signalled the utter unreliability of the US to all its allies. Israel would have looked like a winner but America would have looked like a loser. That's something a superpower cannot afford to look like. It would also have signalled that America is done as a global power, in particular to China. And to Islamists all over the world, this would amount to an invitation to go on with their terrorism. A country is only as powerful as it can project to be. If you don't show that you're powerful and to be reckoned with, then you simply are no longer powerful. Each one has to play the role that is consistent with his position in the world. There's no other possibility.

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    1. Anon @12:08, This. Iran is run by lunatics who ate likely to use a bomb on Israel and perhaps in us. At the very least, they would use it as cover for blackmail and supporting even more proxy terrorism and for regional imperialism that would affect the entire world. They had to be kept from a bomb by any means necessary. The rest is moral masturbation.

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    2. Just another opinionJune 27, 2025 at 9:02 AM

      Iran is hardly run by lunatics. If anything, the Iranians show more restraint than either America or Israel. They are slow to respond to some provocations, and they literally call us up and tell us in advance where their 'face-saving' retaliatory strikes are going to hit to reduce the possibility of any casualties. By contrast, one only has to look at photos of Gaza post October 2023 to see how Israel responds to a humiliating conventional attack.

      Iran can hit the west really hard right now without nukes. All it has to do is to launch its ballistic missiles at Kuwaiti and Saudi oil fields. Plenty of missiles got through Israeli air defenses, which are among the best in the world. Taking out a large amount of the oil infrastructure would probably double to triple the price of crude on a sustained basis. It would supercharge Russia's ability to fund the war in Ukraine, likely cause a significant supply-side recession in the United States while at the same time putting pressure on the Federal Reserve to keep rates high even as America struggles with a significant debt burden. Iran isn't doing this for whatever reasons, one of which likely is that America would brutally punish Iran if it did this, perhaps even going boots on the ground.

      Yet people think that Iran is going to use nuclear weapons against a nuclear superpower, that we could destroy Iran twice over and still have deterrent left to use against Russia and China? No chance. It won't nuke Israel either, Israel has its own nuclear deterrent. As much as Iran loathes Israel, Iran doesn't want dozens of mushroom clouds appearing over all of its cities and military bases.

      Iran wants nukes for the same reason that other countries want/have them: to prevent other nations from interfering with what they deem to be critical national interests (e.g. regime stability).

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    3. Excellent analysis, Just Another Opinion.

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  17. Somewhat OT: some believe that Netanyahu has been keeping the war in Gaza going because he retains a stronger hold on the PM office while the war is going on. Now with the Iran strikes, he may think he's even in a stronger position at home, so ... will he be more zealous about ending the hostilities (war) in Gaza?

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    1. Seems to me, Ockham's razor would suggest he kept the war going because he wasn't finished crushing Hamas. The theory you cite sounds like left-wing paranoia.

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    2. Fred,

      I don't think it's only left-wingers that think Netanyahu has been using conflict to keep him out of legal/political trouble. Sounds like ficino4ml's theory is a hopeful one and that if this is the case we can see peace in Gaza as well.

      Of course if Netanyahu gets back into legal/political trouble and conflict remains in Gaza who can tell?

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    3. bmiller, Peace in Gaza would be good *if* Hamas is destroyed. If not, it would be at best temporary. They need to be torn out root and branch. Anything less means more war and loss of innocent life in the not-too-distant future.

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    4. I tried to post this once and got abmn error message, so sorry if this is a repeat. Bmiller, peace in Gaza would be good only if Hamas is completely destroyed. They must be excised root and branch or any peace will be temporary at best. I'm sure Netayahu knows that. Ergo, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I would also think conducting the war beyond that would become a political liability rather quickly.

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    5. Fred,

      What would you count as being excised root and branch? Does it mean killing or removing everyone that has sympathy for Hamas? How can one know who has sympathy and who doesn't?

      Unless everyone in Gaza is removed, I can't see how there can peace without a diplomatic give and take. If everyone in Gaza is removed by Israel, then people will point out that the Nazi's were trying to do the same thing to the Jews during the Holocaust. That's not a good look.

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    6. Bmiller, peace in Gaza would be good only if Hamas is completely destroyed.

      What would you count as being excised root and branch? Does it mean killing or removing everyone that has sympathy for Hamas? How can one know who has sympathy and who doesn't?

      I have felt the significance of BOTH of these comments - they both seem (to me) importantly relevant, and for that reason I cannot say what I think constitutes a reasonable stopping point for Israel's war against Hamas.

      Perhaps, (and this is very tentative) Israel could aim for targeting (a) all known Hamas operatives above the equivalent level of, say, sergeant, in their "regular" uniformed forces, and all known or probable under-cover operatives ("spies" in the colloquial sense); and (b) then (assuming a kind-of-peaceful occupation, with international oversight) for a period of time (10 years?) put legal limitations on civilians who have publicly approved of either the October 7 attacks or made explicit rejection of the 2-state solution (i.e. publicly agreed that Israel has no right to continued existence). Even if just on social media. Then (c) get the world to force (so to speak) the local, peaceful Muslim countries (Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt) to put together some kind of Palestinian government that - under their purview, not Israel's - eradicates the incitement to terrorism built into the Hamas-built infrastructure (schools, etc) and accepts a two-state solution. And probably a full generation of such international oversight, not just a few years. (And, mind you, we know full well that the UN is not a reliable oversight partner in such a matter, with proof negative (of partiality and corruption) in the last 2 decades. So that complicates any planned war goal for Israel to accept a stopping point.)

      But until it is feasible to get SOMEBODY other than Israel to actually enforce the "stop inciting the people to hate Israel's existence with action toward its eradication", Israel has little choice but use its own resources to pursue an end to that action and that active incitement, and "an end" that merely ensures a new outbreak in 5 years isn't really "an end" to the hostilities, it's is merely a cease-fire. The world's failure to ensure Hamas wasn't arming for unjust war (using "rebuilding" and "humanitarian" funds to prepare for war) constitutes part of Israel's facts-on-the-ground for stating a plausible stopping point to their war.

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    7. Tony,

      At the risk of stirring up hate and discontent...oh well, too late to worry about that.

      Trump proposed, removing everyone, rebuilding Gaza and then allowing the well-behaved to come back supervised by the friendly Muslim countries.

      Your proposal sounds somewhat similar other than you didn't say it in Trump-speak.

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  18. Hi Prof

    I had a question, regarding the ending of your article.

    You mentioned the potential targetting of US Soldiers and the closure of the Hormuz strait.

    I often notice it getting pointed out that Trump has Marco Rubio on his team by various commentators. It tends to go under the radar but still noteworthy.

    Right after the attack, I saw Marco Rubio on television, when asked about the Hormuz Strait, Rubio seemed to suggest that China look into the matter.

    Indeed, reports later indicated that China played a significant role in preventing Iran from blocking the Strait.

    The attacks on the Qatar base seemed to have been an off ramp that happened through extensive diplomacy with the Emir of Qatar. Of course I think that such a situation could have been and ought to have been avoided all together.

    But putting aside, Trump's brashness and tendency towards brinkmanship, would you be willing to say that Trump may have benefited from having someone like Rubio in a key role and that Rubio has displayed an admirable level of competence in that role ?

    I remember you being quiet pleased with Rubio's appointment on twitter.

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  19. Mr. Feser begins his analysis of politics and politicians in general, and Trump in particular, with the unstated premise that one cannot bluff, cajole, insult, deceive, mock, exaggerate, misdirect, flatter, talk tough, seek multiple goals at once, evaluate or reevaluate strategic and tactical priorities, seek concessions, give concessions, act on hidden information, act on secret information, or obscure one's aims and objectives, or, in any way, lie.

    Having assumed that any and all of these methodologies are immoral and unthinkable, he arrives at the conclusion which naturally follows: that Trump is unpredictable and insane, saying things which don't reflect unchanging and deeply held strategic aims and tactical considerations which must always be presented to the public wholly and truthfully, along with the methods to achieve those aims without any alteration to account for the actions and goals of others.

    In short, Mr. Feser is deeply confused about the nature of politics and humanity.

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  20. Iran country leaders words matter less than what they actually do . Does the history show that ever they attacked isreal first directly ? (not through proxy).

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  21. Is it possible to make a distinction between a war and a limited military strike? Over the last thirty years, the US military has made several small attacks on hostile counties to order to weaken or eliminate an enemy asset that was a potential threat to the US. Presidents Clinton, Bush, and Obama made short, simple attacks on terrorist or Iraqi targets. These might be called preemptive or preventative. An important example is the elimination of Osama bin Laden. Americans sent soldiers into Pakistan to kill a major terrorist leader, one who had already made devastating attacks on the US, and was probably planning more. This American operation was not a war with Pakistan, even though it was an incursion into Pakistani territory. Perhaps one could make the case that the attack on Iran's nuclear facilities was this kind of military operation that was not a war, but a limited military action designed to prevent a dangerous sovereign state from harming American and allied persons?

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    1. I think that's a good question. How are limited strikes treated in just war theory?

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