tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post9100600701494748818..comments2024-03-29T08:19:26.011-07:00Comments on Edward Feser: What is conscience and when should we follow it?Edward Feserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13643921537838616224noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-68072975865195801102023-01-02T10:24:04.936-08:002023-01-02T10:24:04.936-08:00A lot of comment on this question. I left the room...A lot of comment on this question. I left the room, pretty early. But, it seems to me if there was any greater interest in morality and ethics than a nod and wink, the question of conscience would be a no-brainer. This is just not very troubling to a great many people, because they know it is not troubling to a great many more.Paul D. Van Pelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13508874039164282696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-3828753702027862202023-01-02T01:20:07.785-08:002023-01-02T01:20:07.785-08:00The certain judgment would seem to refer to a prop...The certain judgment would seem to refer to a properly formed conscience so then not conflict with the other statements.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-91554595197878959012022-12-03T07:53:53.636-08:002022-12-03T07:53:53.636-08:00This is ultra-important because CCC 1800 allows fo...This is ultra-important because CCC 1800 allows for abortion/murder by conscience which is forbidden by CCC 2258 and 2261. <br />1. CCC 1800…“1800 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience.” does not exist in the Catholic Church, nowhere in the Magisterium. It is not Catholic dogma or doctrine. You cannot show where it is an official teaching of the Magisterium. 1800 has never been defined by the Church as it stands.<br />2. CCC 1800 has no citations, no footnotes, no references, no documentation. Therefore, it itself admits it is not official Catholic teaching, it cannot justify itself.<br />3. The CCC is not allowed to use Ex Cathedra terminology unless it is a Magisterial teaching. 1800 is an obvious violation that is simply taken for granted because it is in the CCC and nobody cares that it is unsupported by the Magisterium and completely absent from the Catholic Magisterium.<br />4. CCC 2258 "Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being."56<br />5. CCC 2261 “The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. The law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.”.<br />Both 2258 and 2261 contradicts 1800 because “Thou Shall Not Kill” is binding to each and every person, always and everywhere regardless of conscience.<br />Please help me!<br />Sincerely,<br />Chris Griffin<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-64813621632681527072022-07-10T10:29:06.568-07:002022-07-10T10:29:06.568-07:00Just wanted to add something to an interesting deb...Just wanted to add something to an interesting debate Prof. is having on twitter.<br />It may be pertinent to note that Pope Saint John Paul 2 very frequently used the language of "invitation" while referring to Christ's words..<br /><br />Here are atleast six occasions where he said "Christ Invites Us", two of them while addressing the youth.<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/audiences/1998/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_23091998.html<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1982/may/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19820528_cattedrale-southwark.html<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/messages/youth/documents/hf_jp-ii_mes_24111991_vii-world-youth-day.html<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1984/september/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19840912_giovani-terranova.html<br /><br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1979/may/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19790521_ist-non-cattolici.html<br /><br />http://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/speeches/1979/june/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19790630_concistoro-pubblico.html<br /><br />Apart from that, he always almost used the language of "invites" while referring the church, i.e "the church Invites us" or "the Church invites you "<br /><br />Cheers :)<br />Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11561526052876064805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-23874873582793248342022-07-03T05:17:08.094-07:002022-07-03T05:17:08.094-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul D. Van Pelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13508874039164282696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-69291223714313978862022-07-02T19:58:05.721-07:002022-07-02T19:58:05.721-07:00Very good point there. St. Thomas let the will, th...Very good point there. St. Thomas let the will, the controled passions and the habits have their place on a healthy individual life, he is hardly a intellectualist on the way the word is used normally.<br /><br />This short of intellectualism that sharply divides intellect and will seems to exist only when the intellect is conceived as the only real feature of a soul that is so high and divine it is a literaly separate thing from the other parts of the individual which is stuck on the body, so needs to let go of everything non-rational before being free again or, ironically, when the intellect is conceived as a limited thing that can only deal with the world of abstractions provided by modern science, so can't deal with anything non-quantitative, anything outside this little prision. <br /><br />As the Philosopher would say: virtue is in the mean. Talmidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-77555413280796584522022-07-01T12:11:19.841-07:002022-07-01T12:11:19.841-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul D. Van Pelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13508874039164282696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-89438779385508459372022-07-01T08:53:48.816-07:002022-07-01T08:53:48.816-07:00If you think carefully about St. Thomas his "...If you think carefully about St. Thomas his "intellectualism" is not as intellectualist as it is made out to be. Practical intellect is will. In other words when we will we are, at once, understanding. Will is not blind. In other words there is no antiseptic division between intellect and will. There is a real distinction, but real distinction implies a real link. Will moves the whole soul. Is everything based on intellect? Yes but one needs to go into the depths to penetrate the meaning this has in St. Thomas. It is not a superficially intellectualist doctrine.Carl Kuss, L.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10348528727574912301noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-42621525990116814952022-06-27T15:20:00.097-07:002022-06-27T15:20:00.097-07:00Carthago delenda estCarthago delenda estAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-33621495835866156812022-06-26T17:29:04.336-07:002022-06-26T17:29:04.336-07:00[i] Abortions will continue in this country. They ...[i] Abortions will continue in this country. They will be harder to get, but they will continue.[/i]<br /><br />And Carthage must burn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-72649717509724157552022-06-26T14:36:27.572-07:002022-06-26T14:36:27.572-07:00 Of course they will continue. It will.be busness ... Of course they will continue. It will.be busness as usual in the more liberal states, and those in others who can afford it and are able to travel will just go to them to procur their services. The women who will be utterly screwed by this will be the poor and powerless who have the great misfortune to live in right wing/ religious states.<br /><br /> Of course, horror stories about the poor being forced into backstreet abortions, or being compelled to carry their pregnancy to term following incest or rape, or despite significant danger to their health or life will follow soon enough. There will then be a huge backlash against this, even in conservative America. FreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12542926199146156167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-23296452076999344762022-06-26T11:48:20.412-07:002022-06-26T11:48:20.412-07:00Abortions will continue in this country. They will...Abortions will continue in this country. They will be harder to get, but they will continue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-41794990690997136792022-06-25T19:55:31.532-07:002022-06-25T19:55:31.532-07:00Honestly I am very proud of America for ending Roe...Honestly I am very proud of America for ending Roe v Wade finally. May freedoms banner reign high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-54811519671904193062022-06-25T19:43:40.774-07:002022-06-25T19:43:40.774-07:00Did the Supreme Court actually call B.S. on Roe v ...Did the Supreme Court actually call B.S. on Roe v Wade? Because if true I might actually love America for having a heart and a brain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-87011187383745026022022-06-25T12:34:50.376-07:002022-06-25T12:34:50.376-07:00"I mention this because some people have been..."I mention this because some people have been giving Trump credit which he doesn't really deserve. He did what any other generic Republican President would have done."<br /><br />The cope is strong with this one.grodriguesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-70533542632745895842022-06-25T08:54:12.675-07:002022-06-25T08:54:12.675-07:00Norm,
Things are more complicated than you sugges...Norm, <br />Things are more complicated than you suggest. Bush Sr gave us Souter (who supported Roe v Wade) and Thomas (who opposed it). Bush Jr gave us Roberts (who upheld Roe v Wade and not just on this last vote). Bush Jr also nominated Miers (who has said she would have upheld Roe v Wade) and it was only because of her poor performance interviewing with senators that led to the nomination of Alito (who opposed Roe v Wade). Judicial conservatives did see the nominations of Souter and Miers as betrayals, and Roberts was at least a poor choice also.<br />Trump (for all his many faults) did not betray conservatives on the Roe v Wade issue. I am skeptical that a Jeb Bush, say, would have done as well in nominating and fighting for such justices, even assuming that he won the general election (no sure thing). And certainly Roe v Wade would not have been overturned if Clinton had won in 2016. <br />Rod Dreyer did not vote for Trump and has been one of Trump's harshest critics in the last six years (and I agree with most of those criticisms). But Dreyer recently said, "Let us be thankful for Donald Trump; I didn't vote for him in part because I didn't think he would do anything in the courts; I have scarcely been happier to admit I was wrong. This would not have happened without his presidency."<br />I agree with you that conservatives can do much better than Trump in 2024, but that does not negate what I said above. <br /> Tim Finlaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-45500623182051573612022-06-24T20:50:30.521-07:002022-06-24T20:50:30.521-07:00While I do think that it is a day to rejoice and c...While I do think that it is a day to rejoice and celebrate. I think it's also important to note that this win is the result of a dedicated and competent conservative legal movement. Two of the key jurors in the decision were Justice Clarence Thomas and Justice Samuel Alito who who were appointed by Bush Sr and Bush jr respectively. I mention this because some people have been giving Trump credit which he doesn't really deserve. He did what any other generic Republican President would have done. He just happened to get three vacancies during his tenure .To suggest that those who supported Trump especially in the Republican Primaries were somehow doing God's work or that Trump himself was doing God's work seems arbitrary to me. Trump's role in it is at best tangential. He just happened to be the guy. And one might want to hold one's horses before praising Trump too much, because of all the prominent republicans, his reaction has been the most sombre, he has been reportedly telling everyone that this move will be bad for republicans politically. Apart from the utterly disgusting attitude of only thinking about everything in terms of one's electoral prospects,God forbid that he starts supporting pro choice candidates if there indeed is political backlash against Republicans. It wouldn't help to point that God works in mysterious ways if this terrible outcome does materialise. Instead one should just rejoice in this victory and works towards reducing Trump's influence in the GOP if we want to maintain this win.Normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11561526052876064805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-86334906062917884262022-06-24T19:54:56.752-07:002022-06-24T19:54:56.752-07:00Hope you, your brother and the rest of the family ...Hope you, your brother and the rest of the family get a cool day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-5079802609387330722022-06-24T19:54:09.084-07:002022-06-24T19:54:09.084-07:00The decision was announced today, right? Because i...The decision was announced today, right? Because it happening in the day of Our Lord Sacred Heart would be cool.<br /><br />Anyway, very good news indeed! The fight is not over yet but it is possible! Talmidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-68153972082115370192022-06-24T17:42:35.697-07:002022-06-24T17:42:35.697-07:00Indeed it is, Son of Ya'Kov! Abortion is again...Indeed it is, Son of Ya'Kov! Abortion is against natural law. The Greek physicians who wrote the Hippocratic Oath around the 4th century B.C. knew that.Tim Finlaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-23898915852279494922022-06-24T14:00:35.487-07:002022-06-24T14:00:35.487-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paul D. Van Pelthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13508874039164282696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-19347467520089166592022-06-24T09:52:20.251-07:002022-06-24T09:52:20.251-07:00Today is a great day! We all know why....:D
Today is a great day! We all know why....:D<br />Son of Ya'Kovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05645132954231868592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-66986349418747115442022-06-23T20:47:50.327-07:002022-06-23T20:47:50.327-07:00Does Aristotle have a conception of "conscien...Does Aristotle have a conception of "conscience"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-35384240647258300482022-06-23T20:11:19.674-07:002022-06-23T20:11:19.674-07:00I suggest there is less of mystery about conscienc...I suggest there is less of mystery about conscience than may appear. Augustine famously said, Love God, and do what you please. For those of us who do not affirm belief in God, this dictum might be rephrased, Love your neighbor, and do what you please. Why should we care, you may ask, if we don't affirm God? We care because experience has taught us that loving neighbor, and seeking to maintain justice, are good. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-74635774268002327372022-06-23T17:20:02.892-07:002022-06-23T17:20:02.892-07:00Thank you for this response. Beautifully written.
...Thank you for this response. Beautifully written.<br /><br />I think this very example may truly be one of THE BEST examples of how terribly catechized Catholics are today. In fact, I’d like to know the actual % of Catholics that even know canonical form is a thing. While many might not be CULPABLE of mortal sin, they’re doing something that’s objectively contrary to Church Law. <br /><br />This ALSO seems to be an area where (from my experience anyway) that you’ll get a wide variety of answers even from individual PRIESTS. I’ve heard things from priests ranging from “two Catholics are married automatically by the fact that they’re baptized”, to “well, they’re still MARRIED, just not in The Church”, and whole variety of other bizarre answers.<br /><br />Now, interestingly, it seems that, even before the 1983 revisions, The Church HAS recognized marriages as valid even if the vows were exchanged SOLELY BEFORE WITNESSES, viz. without a priest (i.e. I think there was a “30 day rule” where a priest would have to bless the marriage within 30 days FROM the date of original consent, but I could be mistaken on that. I think this was more common in remote areas w/ limited access to priests). But, I believe this still required permission in advance from The Church, similar to the dispensation from canonical form that exists today.Adam Fitzgeraldnoreply@blogger.com