tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post970779266945655177..comments2024-03-28T10:44:57.324-07:00Comments on Edward Feser: The experts have no one to blame but themselvesEdward Feserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13643921537838616224noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-7457424548600876812020-08-03T20:00:13.272-07:002020-08-03T20:00:13.272-07:00Yes, 500,000 deaths using 1968 medicine would be i...Yes, 500,000 deaths using 1968 medicine would be impossible.<br /><br />But with the lack of national testing--contact tracing--isolating cases, etc. system, we are in trajectory for some quarter of a million or so deaths by the year's end and that is a few months less than 12 months from when this would have started. And this is without adding the 3 months to complete 12 months for a valid comparison.<br /><br />It appears 500,000 would still be too high but the number would still be high enough to counter the 1968 comparison even without asking if we really want to accept health standards of over 50 years ago.grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-49347690199852402822020-08-03T08:38:51.184-07:002020-08-03T08:38:51.184-07:00It's also worth noting that what CDC actually ...It's also worth noting that what CDC actually reports is 430,000 "COVID-19-associated" hospitalizations. So we don't know how many of those people were admitted *because* of severe covid, and how many were not sick at all but were admitted for elective surgery, or to give birth, or whatever, and happened to test positive for the virus while in the hospital.<br /><br />Oddly, media reports of 'full hospitals' usually don't go into this distinction either. Or perhaps that's not very odd.Ben D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-55226231240234190482020-08-03T08:16:22.562-07:002020-08-03T08:16:22.562-07:00According to CDC numbers, there had been roughly 4...According to CDC numbers, there had been roughly 430,000 covid-related hospitalizations in the US as of July 25: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html<br /><br />That's a lot of people but it's an order of magnitude smaller than 'millions'. And it suggests that your 500k guess is way off, unless you assume that every single person who has been hospitalized for covid would have died in the hospital in 1968. Is this a remotely plausible assumption?<br /><br /><br />Ben D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-30622292002867450512020-08-01T21:37:53.928-07:002020-08-01T21:37:53.928-07:00Watch above from about 50 seconds onwards where Fa...Watch above from about 50 seconds onwards where Fauci explains that Asia and Europe did a shutdown they did a shutdown of 95% to get their baseline to tens or hundreds of cases per day. <br /><br />When we did shutdowns, we lowered our baseline to 20,000 cases per day. <br /><br />If you lower your baseline to very low, then you can control it and the disease has less chance of exponentially growing.<br /><br />In other words, we need to reduce the Reproductive Rate of Covid19 to below 1. <br /><br />We are not doing that.<br /><br />So tens of thousands upon many more tens of thousands of preventable deaths will sadly continue to occur until we do that.grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-39297641008744709802020-08-01T21:30:00.411-07:002020-08-01T21:30:00.411-07:00Here is a good piece to watch
https://www.msnbc.c...Here is a good piece to watch<br /><br />https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/raskin-gop-has-a-policy-of-mass-human-sacrifice-89378373752grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-38927725945124723722020-08-01T21:28:33.897-07:002020-08-01T21:28:33.897-07:00We have had millions of people who were hospitaliz...We have had millions of people who were hospitalized.<br /><br />I have no idea how many people would have died if we used 1968 medicine for supportive care but I would not be surprised if 500,000 deaths would have occurred by now.<br /><br />So the comparison with 1968 doesn't work. If we compare it putting all the factors involved, lot more people have died due to Covid.<br /><br />And this is without even getting into how our norms are different now. Vast numbers of people were dying per mile driven. But we instituted seat belts, and many safety features. Too many people are still killed or suffer terrible injuries but it is better than 1968. I think we would like preventable infectious disease deaths to be less than 1968 also.grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-80360786871557143362020-07-30T15:14:27.819-07:002020-07-30T15:14:27.819-07:00If you compare our current high-risk population (5...If you compare our current high-risk population (53 million people over 65) with that of 1968 (20 million), and assume 80% of deaths occurred among that population, Covid in America looks about half as deadly as the HK flu, so far. We'll need to see another 150k Covid deaths before they are equally deadly.Ben D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-61162929776252103302020-07-30T08:12:18.199-07:002020-07-30T08:12:18.199-07:00This blog post will not age well. Yes, the Hong K...This blog post will not age well. Yes, the Hong Kong flu killed 100k Americans in 1 year. Covid-19 has killed over 150k in half that time. But as you have stated yourself, Dr. Feser, no radical measures were taken to contain the Hong Kong flu. But radical measures HAVE been taken to contain covid-19. You can't discount the effect those measures have had on the mortality. Especially not since the data makes it so abundantly clear that social-distancing policies, and adherence to such, are directly associated with reversing trends in infection and therefore mortality rates. As a passionate fan of your brilliant contributions to philosophy (I own most of your books), I am disappointed by the lack of rigor in your analysis of this situation. The 2 million figures that were bandied about early on were always predicated on the statement "if we do nothing". But we did not do nothing. You can look at every state that did something and have a pretty good idea of when they did it simply by looking at the trend lines. It's clear as day. Harkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02429924294453787944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-66467977636647359832020-07-30T07:16:03.982-07:002020-07-30T07:16:03.982-07:00HCQ for Covid19 is pure quackery.
https://respect...HCQ for Covid19 is pure quackery.<br /><br />https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/07/24/harvey-risch-defends-hydroxychloroquine/One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-29238582800294884562020-07-29T16:31:32.231-07:002020-07-29T16:31:32.231-07:00Closing schools in March may have saved 40,000 liv...Closing schools in March may have saved 40,000 lives in the US according to a study just published in the prestigious journal JAMA (Journal of American Medical Association)<br /><br />https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-school-closures-may-have-saved-40000-us-lives-2020-7grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-73094953367296815442020-07-28T17:37:50.477-07:002020-07-28T17:37:50.477-07:00Ed and all,
I have to admit that Trump seems to b...Ed and all,<br /><br />I have to admit that Trump seems to be right and the naysayers wrong with respect to use of hudroxychloroquine but only in outpatient settings or in eary hospital settings like first 24-48 hours on admission and before there is an immune overreaction of the body when it may be worse to given at that time.<br /><br />Please see this article by an accomplished epidemiologist at Yale saying that we must use hydroxychloroquine…<br /><br />https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535<br /><br />Please share the above newsweek article to allgrateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-36104514433918542542020-07-28T15:29:33.883-07:002020-07-28T15:29:33.883-07:00Are you trying to pass off a rabidly anti-Trump su...Are you trying to pass off a rabidly anti-Trump super-PAC as "not … a partisan group"?Keep Calm and Carry Onhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05024793270624763911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-52380397144191539642020-07-28T15:08:42.133-07:002020-07-28T15:08:42.133-07:00Are you delusional and trolling or just trolling, ...Are you delusional and trolling or just trolling, HavingTakenLeaveOrYourSenses (posting under the pseudonym of LetsGoFishing)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-87311204090801687152020-07-28T15:03:02.055-07:002020-07-28T15:03:02.055-07:00Masks are pretty uncomfortable in 100 degree heat ...Masks are pretty uncomfortable in 100 degree heat with 80% humidity. Something tells me you work inside.Marissahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734624055833603768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-3641813390276883142020-07-27T20:27:38.228-07:002020-07-27T20:27:38.228-07:00Ed,
You, yourself, are also full of it. This isn...Ed,<br /><br />You, yourself, are also full of it. This isn't rocket science. It isn't about a blind "trust" in the "experts". Experts are certainly fallible. However, this is basic epidemiology, of which the right-wing echo chamber has spent the last several months in denial. (It must be in denial, because it shows why modern capitalism is a failure, and will provide the impetus for "socialism!!!" such as UBI and M4A or at least a public option.) Calling out failure of experts is simply ignoring the elephant in the room. What's the right-wing response to coronavirus, I would like to know???<br /><br />It's true Dr. Fauci lied about masks in late March. He did so not because he didn't believe in their efficacy, but because he was worried about there not being enough for health care professionals if the public made a run on them. That was not right, but he was genuinely concerned about public health, and your portraying him as some sort of villain is pure cow manure. It proves he's human.<br /><br />It's true that some supported BLM protests without wearing masks and social distancing (although it is also true that others objected, a fact which you conveniently omit). But it is not that they thought there was no risk. That is a lie on your part. What they actually said was, the risk is justified considering the much greater risk structural racism poses to life. You may (and no doubt will) disagree with this, but please don't misrepresent what they said.<br /><br />The rest of this is simply ignoring the reality of the virus and sacrificing public health on the altar of the economy and modern capitalism.<br /><br />"So why the hell do people other than those at risk have, at this point, radically to disrupt their lives and livelihoods? Why not just quarantine those who are sick or especially vulnerable?"<br /><br />Because, in order to do that, you need effective testing and contact tracing. But Trump was too busy attempting to score political points.<br /><br />"For example, the evidence shows that children are simply not in any significant danger of getting ill from the virus <b>or of spreading it...</b>"<br /><br />You're kidding, right?<br /><br />"Well, here’s what I remember: the notorious Imperial College model’s prediction that we could see over 2 million deaths in the U.S., and similar doomsday scenarios from others..."<br /><br />And we well could have seen that, and could still see that, without proper social distancing measures. YOU are lying here and dishonest, when you pretend that the ACTUAL fatality counts falsify the model.<br /><br /><br /><br />LetsGoFishingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-23841817210577143852020-07-27T06:26:21.280-07:002020-07-27T06:26:21.280-07:00The point is when you get COVID19, nobody is going...<i>The point is when you get COVID19, nobody is going to say at your eulogy</i><br /><br />What if he gets COVID and... doesn't die? (like 80-99% of infected)<br /><br />Won't you feel silly then.Nate Winchesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630873800235819300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-46471024533086188062020-07-27T03:54:50.447-07:002020-07-27T03:54:50.447-07:00Hi Testblogger,
Thank you for taking the time to ...Hi Testblogger,<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to print it out but you are misunderstanding.<br /><br />Please try to understand.<br /><br />I did not check all cause mortality. If all cause mortality is low, then it means that people staying in their homes is somehow on average lowering their other deaths. <br /><br />I don't know what you are insinuating by saying my side. I just want people to not spread the infection to other innocent people because of their inconsiderateness. It is not a matter of getting some symptoms but a matter of concern for lives. Sadly, a lot of people are dying and they don't need to die. <br /><br />If there is adequate testing and the positive people are identified and told to be in isolation with their contacts also quarantining themselves, then the epidemic would eventually run out of oxygen and the oxygen for infectious diseases are susceptible people who are close enough to get the infection and keep the disease spreading.<br /><br />Sadly, Trump repeatedly tries to lower testing....<br /><br />Please see: <br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEzfHfLaLG4&feature=emb_logo<br /><br />This is not from a partisan group. The Lincoln Project is by life long Republicans committed to conservatism.<br /><br />Peacegrateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-65378310767023829992020-07-26T20:07:46.162-07:002020-07-26T20:07:46.162-07:00Dear Grateful to God,
Obviously you didn't r...Dear Grateful to God, <br /><br />Obviously you didn't read the actual CDC data, so I'll reprint the real weekly CDC Covid19 death numbers here.<br /><br />Table 1 from <br />https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm<br /><br /><br />2-08-2020 1<br />2-15-2020 0<br />2-22-2020 5<br />2-29-2020 7<br />3-07-2020 35<br />3-14-2020 52<br />3-21-2020 565<br />3-28-2020 3,141<br />4-04-2020 9,933<br />4-11-2020 16,076<br />4-18-2020 16,966<br />4-25-2020 15,304<br />5-02-2020 13,024<br />5-09-2020 11,028<br />5-16-2020 9,016<br />5-23-2020 7,046<br />5-30-2020 6,006<br />6-06-2020 4,858<br />6-13-2020 4,033<br />6-20-2020 3,551<br />6-27-2020 3,321<br />7-04-2020 3,554<br />7-11-2020 3,331<br />7-18-2020 1,513<br /><br />There haven't been 1,000 people dying each day since the end of May. <br /><br />We also know that the CDC numbers are probably fudged in obtuse ways according to how death certificates are filled out. Anyone testing positive, no matter the real cause of death, can be counted as a Covid19 death. According to CDC recommendations, George Floyd died of Covid19.<br /><br />But you can't fudge the deaths from all causes, and that number is almost back to baseline. Scroll down and LOOK at the actual graph.<br /><br />https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm<br /><br /><br />Regarding fascism, you can read but you can't think. If anyone is projecting fascism, it's you. Your side desperately wants a national dictator to order mandatory masks AFTER the epidemic is over. The only purpose to that is pure destruction. You really need to look in a mirror. <br />Testbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07004163850873932044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-41578949735526224922020-07-26T19:28:47.269-07:002020-07-26T19:28:47.269-07:00Testblogger, there is a thousand people dying ever...Testblogger, there is a thousand people dying every day. There is a 9-11 number of deaths every 3 days.<br /><br />Stop projecting your leader's fascism onto others out of denial.<br /><br />https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/projectiongrateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-88704027990027076042020-07-26T18:20:57.010-07:002020-07-26T18:20:57.010-07:00Edit: " ...but you might want to reconsider...Edit: " ...but you might want to reconsider your fascist impulses to make other people suffer."Testbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07004163850873932044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-66892732090535164612020-07-26T18:11:28.927-07:002020-07-26T18:11:28.927-07:00Dear Grateful to God,
The epidemic is over. Death...Dear Grateful to God,<br /><br />The epidemic is over. Deaths from all causes are back to baseline. Weekly deaths from Covid19 continue their exponential decline to baseline. Wear a mask if it makes you happy, but you might want to reconsider you fascist impulses make other people suffer.<br /><br />https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm<br /><br />https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htmTestbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07004163850873932044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-48267464670982645762020-07-26T14:36:36.872-07:002020-07-26T14:36:36.872-07:00Sadly, I underestimated the vulnerability of the C...Sadly, I underestimated the vulnerability of the CDC to rot down from its politically appointed leaders to its guidance....<br /><br />Well, CDC guidance for individuals is still good but the guidance for schools has become politicized making the CDC to flip flop under the pressure of the Trump Administration's ambition to win reelection despite the cost in American lives....<br /><br />Please see....<br /><br />https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=cdc+school+trump&docid=13821421631231&mid=D260F49509F3781D3DD9D260F49509F3781D3DD9&view=detail&FORM=VIREgrateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-65216110895368341012020-07-26T14:27:47.144-07:002020-07-26T14:27:47.144-07:00Here is a good 2 minute explanation of how schools...Here is a good 2 minute explanation of how schools are not being resourced to protect adult teachers and child students from death from Covid19<br /><br />PPE and point of care testing (that means testing that can be done at the site itself rather person having to do outside the setting) is not being provided by the Federal govt when it must be provided<br /><br />https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/dr-gupta-there-is-no-school-reopening-strategy-88160837676<br /><br />grateful to Godhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03337758690863008570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-73134610162329599482020-07-25T18:36:08.224-07:002020-07-25T18:36:08.224-07:00Let's fact check what the saintly Ed Feser sai...Let's fact check what the saintly Ed Feser said about Dr. Fauci<br />https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/08/facebook-posts/video-shows-outdated-face-mask-guidance-dr-anthony/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-1277596647888923302020-07-25T18:25:42.993-07:002020-07-25T18:25:42.993-07:00Absolutely, anarcho-tyranny
Absolutely, anarcho-tyranny<br />Rob Nicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547372131111758005noreply@blogger.com