tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post551201960337387446..comments2024-03-28T21:43:44.433-07:00Comments on Edward Feser: Let’s play JeopardyEdward Feserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13643921537838616224noreply@blogger.comBlogger138125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-29121047861474161212020-08-20T07:57:33.889-07:002020-08-20T07:57:33.889-07:00Of course "most people" would not agree....Of course "most people" would not agree. That hardly means there are no economists in respected economics departments who take Marx's analysis of capitalism quite seriously indeed and would laugh at dismissive characterizations of it. Anwar Shaikh and Duncan Foley at the New School; Ben Fine at the University of London; Andrew Glyn (d. 2007) at Oxford; Michael Piore at MIT; Immanuel Wallerstein (d. 2019) at Yale; John Roemer at Yale; Richard Wolff at U. of Massachusetts; Michael Hudson at U. of Missouri and Bard ... I could list dozens of professors in prestigious economics departments who, if I "walked in to an economics departments and started talking about this stuff" wouldn't bat an eye.MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-22510661218396695862020-08-19T18:13:39.770-07:002020-08-19T18:13:39.770-07:00" ... if you wish to land a blow about someon..." ... if you wish to land a blow about someone's vocabulary, you might try not simultaneously committing a grammatical solecism. Did I just thumbed, indeed."<br /><br /><br /><br />" ... a grammatical solecism ..." LOL<br /><br /><br />" Did I just thumbed ..."<br /><br />Yeah.DNWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-7090197242834513312020-08-19T15:08:46.297-07:002020-08-19T15:08:46.297-07:00Exactly. It's called equivocation, and it'...Exactly. It's called equivocation, and it's lame.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18357848364641692841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-57813846921988309132020-08-19T14:42:12.441-07:002020-08-19T14:42:12.441-07:00Fr. Spadaro was making an analogy, and Lindsay was...Fr. Spadaro was making an analogy, and Lindsay was talking about how people were chanig the meaning behind the symbols "2", "5" etc. to make the expression true with a different symbol interpretation, under the standard interpretation of those symbols.One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-30780196823067526972020-08-19T11:17:17.574-07:002020-08-19T11:17:17.574-07:00Sure they are. Oh, I understand that they're n...Sure they are. Oh, I understand that they're not saying that 2+2 is _always_ equal to 5, nor are they necessarily denying the truth of '2+2=4' in the usual sense, but that under certain circumstances, or when certain situations obtain, or interpreted in particular ways, then, yeah, 2+2=5. And I'm claiming that their arguments are lame, boiling down to nothing much more than equivocation or sometimes confusing universals for particulars. And I'm further saying that they could actually have some fun with quus, which would at _least_ be interesting, but nope.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18357848364641692841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-64563051987970942852020-08-19T09:50:41.569-07:002020-08-19T09:50:41.569-07:00Oh, and is your PhD in economics?Oh, and is your PhD in economics?Atnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138424784532839636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-62131280398370099662020-08-19T09:48:08.873-07:002020-08-19T09:48:08.873-07:00Yes I have, are you claiming that most people woul...Yes I have, are you claiming that most people would agree with you? Because such views are quite heterodox.Atnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138424784532839636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-46913607996171344962020-08-19T09:28:35.372-07:002020-08-19T09:28:35.372-07:00I'm not sure you've ever been in an econom...I'm not sure you've ever been in an economics department (I have a PhD from the University of Chicago), but how about I walk into the New School's and start talking about it?<br /><br />https://www.newschool.edu/nssr/story/anwar-shaikh-publishes-analysis-of-modern-capitalism/Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-13803165466064544442020-08-19T09:24:19.453-07:002020-08-19T09:24:19.453-07:00Yet such wacky leftist rags as The Economist and T...Yet such wacky leftist rags as The Economist and The Financial Times continue to assert his relevance.<br /><br />https://www.ft.com/content/cf6532dc-4c67-11e8-97e4-13afc22d86d4Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-30961607866154634322020-08-19T09:24:07.845-07:002020-08-19T09:24:07.845-07:00"Marx's analysis of how value is produced..."Marx's analysis of how value is produced under capitalism—which is what "Marxism" mainly is—is hardly bull."<br /><br />Walk into an economics department and start talking about this stuff. Please.Atnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138424784532839636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-71137162431038816812020-08-19T09:21:06.557-07:002020-08-19T09:21:06.557-07:00Imagine being a Marxist in 2020Imagine being a Marxist in 2020Atnohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138424784532839636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-57967434742107803532020-08-19T07:31:41.140-07:002020-08-19T07:31:41.140-07:00*flee*fleeMMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-27565023600221321372020-08-19T07:24:57.450-07:002020-08-19T07:24:57.450-07:00Oh, touché! To support open borders so that people...Oh, touché! To support open borders so that people might free oppression and move to find better opportunity is the *exact same thing* as to support military imperialism! How did I never think of that? <br /><br />I have not tried to take you seriously, as you have shown from the outset that you are not serious.MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-89514437492353613512020-08-19T05:58:27.388-07:002020-08-19T05:58:27.388-07:00You do realize that neither Fr. Spadaro nor the pe...You do realize that neither Fr. Spadaro nor the people Lindsay is criticizing are actually claiming 2 + 2 = 5?One Browhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11938816242512563561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-27912608547877906482020-08-19T03:13:04.175-07:002020-08-19T03:13:04.175-07:00MM,
You wrote: "It is barbaric to regard one...MM,<br /><br />You wrote: "It is barbaric to regard one person as less deserving of the benefits that inhere in living in a certain place simply because he was not born in that place."<br /><br />So then you completely support Christopher Columbus.<br /><br />When the empire of CHAZ colonized downtown Seattle, the first thing they did was establish borders and a police force to enforce the borders with guns. That was "evil" wasn't it?<br /><br />Look, I tried to take you seriously, but you're just hysterical. Thanks for the discussion.T Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287822708519943071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-6232673540231804332020-08-18T20:15:55.807-07:002020-08-18T20:15:55.807-07:00Katherine Martin does not enumerate how often the ...Katherine Martin does not enumerate how often the phrase was used. If there were half a dozen sporadic references then it was not a standard phrase. I would not be surprised if "social justice advocate" was far more common. Exactly what is Tom Simon's crime that he deserves deportation to Scotland?Tim Finlayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04201408382802035324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-28249555744207816762020-08-18T19:48:36.956-07:002020-08-18T19:48:36.956-07:00There is no defensible moral framework that regard...There is no defensible moral framework that regards the restriction of freedom of movement as a good, particularly when that freedom of movement is used to flee oppression. If your family is going to be killed in one place, you should be allowed to move to another. If you can't make enough to support your family, you should be allowed to move to where you can. It is barbaric to regard one person as less deserving of the benefits that inhere in living in a certain place simply because he was not born in that place. <br /><br />In this sense, of course, borders are not evil in and of themselves—as long as they are open to all regardless of circumstance.<br /><br />If you're wondering if I'm a leftist nut, I should note that I also think the police should be abolished and capitalism should be overthrown. MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-45428715811440931122020-08-18T19:18:59.952-07:002020-08-18T19:18:59.952-07:00Why are borders evil?Why are borders evil?T Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287822708519943071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-3554700914450114852020-08-18T19:08:13.363-07:002020-08-18T19:08:13.363-07:00Of course borders are evil. There should be none. ...Of course borders are evil. There should be none. But that isn't the issue. The president has not kept his "intent" secret. I assume you are familiar with his racist rhetoric, which you can't possibly need me to google for you.<br /><br />But perhaps you are concerned only about Americans. From a report last year:<br /><br />"Last month, Francisco Erwin Galicia, a Dallas-born teenager, was held in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody for more than three weeks, where he says he lost 26 lb. due to the poor conditions and was not allowed to shower. In March, Customs and Border Protection detained 9-year-old Julia Isabel Amparo Medina, a U.S. citizen, for more than 30 hours when she crossed the border at the San Ysidro port of entry to attend school. These are not isolated incidents. ICE has requested the detention of 3,076 American citizens from October 2002 to December 2018, according to Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse."<br /><br />If you can't see that this is evil—if you prefer to quibble about "intent" despite knowing perfectly well that the administration has indicated its evil intent time & again (please look up Stephen Miller's comments on the issue), then we are at cross purposes, and I wouldn't have us any other way.MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-37673285096941226232020-08-18T18:13:27.006-07:002020-08-18T18:13:27.006-07:00MM,
After reading the NYT article, I assume that ...MM,<br /><br />After reading the NYT article, I assume that what you mean by “putting children in cages”, is that it is “evil” to hold children in a border detention facility. Is that right? <br /><br />The article details “squalid” conditions in several border facilities last year. Border patrol officials quoted in the article claimed that they were overrun by large numbers of people and they were not prepared to handle them all (probably because of the Central American caravans last year) and the article says they were tranferring detainees to less crowded locations and setting up temporary facilities. Does that not seem like a plausible explanation? Is there some evidence that compels one to reject that explanation in favor of the contention that Republicans actually just enjoy human suffering?<br /><br />Would you agree that there is a high degree of grandstanding and exaggeration over this issue? The article claims that people were forced to drink from toilets, but we now know that the facility uses a fixture that has a sink and faucet on top, and a toilet on the bottom (1). Does this kind of prevarication indicate the desire smear one’s opponent is more important than what is true?<br /><br />The article does not mention it, but the day before this article was published, Trump signed a $4.6 billion dollar relief package “The largest portion of the funding — $2.88 billion — will go to Health and Human Services to provide shelter and care for unaccompanied children.” (ibid) Does this demonstrate the “evil” you are protesting?<br /><br />No one disagrees that every effort should be made to eliminate inhumane conditions, but if those conditions arose from evil intent is a different question. Or maybe you just think borders are evil? Is that the more fundamental grievance you have? <br /><br />(1) https://www.factcheck.org/2019/07/confusion-at-the-border/<br />T Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287822708519943071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-19402729882455758542020-08-18T18:03:52.865-07:002020-08-18T18:03:52.865-07:00I provided that link earlier myself, genius. You t...I provided that link earlier myself, genius. You think I give a shit about the idiot Democrats? And LOL, your dumb little petitio principii is hardly a logical argument.MMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486516247556806513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-86239650564383775352020-08-18T17:34:08.324-07:002020-08-18T17:34:08.324-07:00https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020...https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-08-18/ap-fact-check-michelle-obama-and-the-kids-in-cages?fbclid=IwAR2e5a0DC24bEOom6IyCpjEqvbOaM5BtS1PSEnODPDGewQC2x3N6qrTMmy0Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-70458459450750687002020-08-18T17:33:38.606-07:002020-08-18T17:33:38.606-07:00Spare me the fatuous bluster, MM. I gave you an ar...Spare me the fatuous bluster, MM. I gave you an argument. You owe me a reply, or an honest admission that you're a sophist hack, and a sneak, and a fraud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-60038046208417782312020-08-18T17:26:10.310-07:002020-08-18T17:26:10.310-07:00Justify your support for evil however you wish. Wh...Justify your support for evil however you wish. Why would you want to passively accept a state of affairs that forces you to choose between evils, is the only real question.MMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-87190961613688274422020-08-18T17:25:23.575-07:002020-08-18T17:25:23.575-07:00@Tim Finlay You ignored the words of Katherine Mar...@Tim Finlay You ignored the words of Katherine Martin by saying "the term "social justice warrior" was not in common parlance before 2000" and then brought up sone ungeneralizable personal experience. I'm supposed to care... why?HolyKnowinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109864288446595298noreply@blogger.com