tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post4034113779173460337..comments2024-03-19T02:00:34.750-07:00Comments on Edward Feser: “Reason Rally”: Doubleplusgood newspeak for groupthink!Edward Feserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13643921537838616224noreply@blogger.comBlogger177125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-36685508045979434162012-04-01T10:41:02.155-07:002012-04-01T10:41:02.155-07:00A lot of those who do not find religion rational o...A lot of those who do not find religion rational or appealing are in truth addressing a real phenomenon. They are unaware.. utterly uninformed about the immense , rich and satisfying intellectual tradition of Aristotle, Aquinas and the Scholastics. They do not, and unless they catch a glimmmer of light that engenders an honest and intelligent response, will not know about it. THey see right wing fundamentalists and 60% of US citizens supposedl denying good evolutionary science , preferring Christ. They honestly believe because of the ever so dull media, that these are their options. Dawkins proved he could not even recongize the brialliant arguments rooted in the great philosophers. He'll never be in that class of thinkers. We should be thankful these uberdummies like Dawkins have come to the fore and raised the issues to be aired. Sola Scriptura and literalist idiocies considering the revelation of Christ have had their dumb day, and not its time to rescue the fundamentalists on both sides with philophically informed ecucation. We should thank the mechanistic would be philosophers for bringing out their frankly silly view that the tiny, not-even-stupid itty bitty things are in charge and running the show. It's too funny. Time for the traditional western rational world view where purpose is possible to reclaim reality for the duped on both sides.Paul Boirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18110233980582009508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-22117975672555735722012-03-28T16:51:43.692-07:002012-03-28T16:51:43.692-07:00What is a Church then if these people are speaking...What is a Church then if these people are speaking "untruths" for gathering in mass? The argument makes no sense. They are gathering for what they believe, which may not be what you believe, but belief is subjective enough that one person always seems wrong to someone else. I am a Christian but I believe that atheists have as much right as anyone else to function as a group with their own beliefs, and believers in God don't have much say in that if they want to uphold their own freedom of religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-38954548390506223782012-03-27T15:41:52.615-07:002012-03-27T15:41:52.615-07:00Lucas,
Apparently you need things to be spelled ...Lucas, <br /><br />Apparently you need things to be spelled out for you: Let's assume for the sake of argument that you're correct in asserting that Feser's post is the product of fear. Now, how much import does that fact have on the truth value of his post? Answer: <b>None</b>, since how a belief originates ultimately has nothing to do with whether that belief is true or false. To claim otherwise is to be guilty of the genetic fallacy.Kahnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-73730434452931994192012-03-27T14:37:31.690-07:002012-03-27T14:37:31.690-07:00@ Lucas (again)
PPS:
BTW, after Dawkins (and col...@ Lucas (again)<br /><br />PPS:<br /><br />BTW, after Dawkins (and colleagues) made their venomous hate-speeches, rallying people to hate and attack religeous people... I think it would also not be unreasonable to fee threathened.<br /><br /><br />Dawkins and friensa are promoting hate and discrimination, which always lead, eventually, to violence.<br /><br /><br />Funny then how he claims that Religion causes violence and he is the first in line to promote it in the end.<br /><br />Have a nice day! HahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-68100123349714860032012-03-27T14:30:03.248-07:002012-03-27T14:30:03.248-07:00@ Lucas
"Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates...@ Lucas<br /><br />"Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates how easily religionists feel threatened by every single thing atheists do. Why is it that a bunch of cultists that gather every Sunday are flipping their shit over a once-a-year event? <br /><br />Btw, if Christians truly believed what they claim to believe, they wouldn't need to gather every week to proclaim in loud voice in front of each other. Just sayin'"<br /><br /><br />First of all as someone else stated above, when is criticizing something mean automatically being threatened by it? I think you should read what Feser writes and then use your brains a bit, before your fingers start typing. <br /><br />You are the one tripping over fallacies Lucas, I am sorry. <br />Ironically most atheist like to enumerate fallacies and fail abysmally at spotting their own fallacies that are like gaping holes in their arguments.<br /><br /><br />ALSO it seems you have NO IDEA what Catholics believe and why they go to Church on Sunday or you would not ask such vague and moronic questions, which are in the end not real questions but pointless rhetoric aimed to ridicule other.<br /><br />Well you fail, miserably, unless you are a troll… then you managed to troll people into replying to you.<br /><br />Is this what you atheist call reason? Well let me give you a wake up call: it's not 'reason' but 'bigotry'.<br /><br />Go back to Dawkins now so that he can pat your head you mindless drone!<br /><br />PS: seems you atheists are the ones who are in fear and feel threatened, as you seem to behave like cornered animals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-89196083850286341232012-03-26T08:45:01.813-07:002012-03-26T08:45:01.813-07:00"By your logic, then, you are threatened by b..."By your logic, then, you are threatened by both Feser and "Monkey," since you have gotten your "panties in a bunch" over their posts."<br /><br />Do Catholics have anything to contest criticism with other than "tu quoque" fallacies? If you compare the time Feser dedicates to the Reason Rally and the time I dedicate to Feser, you'll realize your sorry excuse for an argument doesn't hold.Lucasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-55426522296851095292012-03-26T07:11:01.103-07:002012-03-26T07:11:01.103-07:00>"When your beliefs are so weak that someo...><i>"When your beliefs are so weak that someone else merely saying "this is not so" knots all your panties in a bunch, this is a clear sign that you feel threatened. Obviously, Mr. Feser wouldn't be such a crybaby about the Rally if he didn't feel threatened by it."</i><br /><br />So, harshly criticizing X implies that one is threatened by X? By your logic, then, you are threatened by both Feser and "Monkey," since you have gotten your "panties in a bunch" over their posts. Furthermore, even if Feser's post stemmed from fear, that says precisely nothing about the actual truth value of the actual propositional content of his post. Or did this oh so subtle point manage to slip past the inherently immaculate cognitive filters of a Gnu Atheist?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-1014943393426336972012-03-26T04:40:54.113-07:002012-03-26T04:40:54.113-07:00Dawkins did advocate ridiculing specific ridiculou...Dawkins did advocate ridiculing specific ridiculous beliefs, such as transubstantiation and belief in flying horse.BeingItselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196126096999779200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-14475817242727496942012-03-26T01:13:38.347-07:002012-03-26T01:13:38.347-07:00In the end it's true...
Dawkins did propose s...In the end it's true...<br /><br />Dawkins did propose something like the 'two minutes hate' :)<br /><br />He clearly stated that atheists should ridicule and show contempt towartds religous belief.<br /><br />Thank God (lol) that the Reason Rally was there to 'celebrate reason'... but from the speeches I have read it was more a bigotry rally... not that it was unexpected.FMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-29380183730923900482012-03-25T11:15:08.183-07:002012-03-25T11:15:08.183-07:00Monkey, your little hate-filled rant is a perfect ...Monkey, your little hate-filled rant is a perfect example of Catholic double standards and moral superiority. <br /><br />-When your beliefs are so weak that someone else merely saying "this is not so" knots all your panties in a bunch, this is a clear sign that you feel threatened. Obviously, Mr. Feser wouldn't be such a crybaby about the Rally if he didn't feel threatened by it.<br /><br />-If you don't think Catholics have to justify their cult gatherings, then atheists shouldn't either. You're so blind you can't see the irony of cult members who meet every week complaining that other group is meeting once a year.Lucasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-78604999313345646662012-03-25T11:13:23.797-07:002012-03-25T11:13:23.797-07:00Traveling and hanging out with my friends was grea...Traveling and hanging out with my friends was great, as I expected, but the speeches at the rally were weak, also as I expected. <br /><br />Tim Minchin was great. Performed the "The Pope Song", which for me was the highlight of the event.<br /><br />Also, ran into a bunch of moronic Christians with the typical question begging nonsense. Like a sign ordering us to study and obey the bible, because the bible says so.<br /><br />http://freethoughtblogs.com/wwjtd/files/2012/03/CAkissin.jpgBeingItselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196126096999779200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-24442833518242048902012-03-25T10:00:46.342-07:002012-03-25T10:00:46.342-07:00"Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates how easi..."Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates how easily religionists feel threatened by every single thing atheists do."<br /><br />HOW does it indicate this? Or do YOU simply feel threatened and so resort to unargued claims?<br /><br />"Why is it that a bunch of cultists that gather every Sunday are flipping their shit over a once-a-year event?"<br /><br />I didn't know they are required to have reasons, in the same way that YOU are not providing any reasons for anything YOU say.<br /><br />"Btw, if Christians truly believed what they claim to believe, they wouldn't need to gather every week to proclaim in loud voice in front of each other. Just sayin'"<br /><br />Yeah, you're "Just sayin'" because you have no reasons for the conditional implication claim, just the typical bluffing Gnu atheist judgmentalism stated in dirtbag ghettospeak.machinephilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07715878687266064548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-62242576447690631852012-03-25T09:59:10.916-07:002012-03-25T09:59:10.916-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.machinephilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07715878687266064548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-88316553758761149062012-03-25T08:26:19.028-07:002012-03-25T08:26:19.028-07:00Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates how easily rel...Mr. Feser, your rant only indicates how easily religionists feel threatened by every single thing atheists do. Why is it that a bunch of cultists that gather every Sunday are flipping their shit over a once-a-year event? <br /><br />Btw, if Christians truly believed what they claim to believe, they wouldn't need to gather every week to proclaim in loud voice in front of each other. Just sayin'Lucasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-37828299913614421052012-03-25T08:03:42.936-07:002012-03-25T08:03:42.936-07:00"Well, I am glad I slogged through the bile o..."Well, I am glad I slogged through the bile of this comment thread - because eventually I got a link to Chris Hallquist's destruction of "The Last Superstition".<br /><br />That puts this in context as the little temper tantrum it is, thrown by someone stranded in his backwater."<br /><br />I'm glad too, because it give you an excuse for not having to do any actual reasoning about your own unargued claims about others.<br /><br />Now you can pick up your pom-poms and run off to your atheist cheerleading class for epistemic lepers with dignity, and that without even having argued a single claim you've made here.machinephilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07715878687266064548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-11507751133287667292012-03-24T11:19:58.672-07:002012-03-24T11:19:58.672-07:00Well, I am glad I slogged through the bile of this...Well, I am glad I slogged through the bile of this comment thread - because eventually I got a link to Chris Hallquist's destruction of "The Last Superstition".<br /><br />That puts this in context as the little temper tantrum it is, thrown by someone stranded in his backwater.Slow Learnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11450551450935929380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-79594375515780528122012-03-24T00:45:17.880-07:002012-03-24T00:45:17.880-07:00"When a group of people who respect each othe..."When a group of people who respect each other’s opinions arrive at a unanimous view, each member is likely to feel that the belief must be true"<br />Sounds like church on Sunday morning!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-67470676777530253012012-03-23T22:14:50.376-07:002012-03-23T22:14:50.376-07:00At least Gold VIP seating is super-cheap,only a me...At least Gold VIP seating is super-cheap,only a mere 5 g's: <br /><br />http://www.reasonrallystore.org/vip-seating-1/DRMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-62610462395645070972012-03-22T21:30:28.848-07:002012-03-22T21:30:28.848-07:00"a former leading apologist"
LOL Time f..."a former leading apologist"<br /><br />LOL Time for a credential check, which produces flakiness that won't stick to the pan, even when cooked up by a shill.machinephilosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07715878687266064548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-8520504010012217482012-03-22T14:22:13.489-07:002012-03-22T14:22:13.489-07:00Eric,
I just finished The Last Superstition per yo...Eric,<br />I just finished The Last Superstition per your suggestion. It was better than I expected. It's hard for me to conjure up enough anger towards atheists to actually agree with the thesis. But for those who can, it would be a really good book.<br /><br />I in the choir, and so it was tedious. But I'll try to keep an open mind that the enemy just might really exist and I am blind to it.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04122828543615175957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-82888942933763875192012-03-22T11:28:56.329-07:002012-03-22T11:28:56.329-07:00That should read no *more* hypocritical.That should read no *more* hypocritical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-69831423227165594042012-03-22T11:27:09.208-07:002012-03-22T11:27:09.208-07:00I agree with anon, but the point is that Feser cou...I agree with anon, but the point is that Feser could've quoted Quentin Smith and he'd be no less hypocritical. The quote stands on its own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-4280328494448508382012-03-21T20:23:42.459-07:002012-03-21T20:23:42.459-07:00BeingItself,
If you have no problem with SK being...BeingItself,<br /><br />If you have no problem with SK being called a "human being," then you really should have no problem with him being called a "Christian." He contains the essential attributes of both, and therefore by logical necessity must fall under both of those categories. There is just nothing wrong with calling Kierkegaard a Christian.<br /><br />But of course that doesn't exhaust who he was in either his mental world or physical world. When has anyone ever claimed that the sole label "Christian" fully characterizes a person?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-2912453027163560842012-03-21T18:24:50.434-07:002012-03-21T18:24:50.434-07:00Anon,
We have enough evidence to conclude that Ki...Anon,<br /><br />We have enough evidence to conclude that Kierkegaard was probably human.<br /><br />Where are you going with this?BeingItselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13196126096999779200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-49897921854137990632012-03-21T17:02:58.928-07:002012-03-21T17:02:58.928-07:00Notice Dawkins borrows most of his arguements abou...Notice Dawkins borrows most of his arguements about the middle east and critique of specific religions from Sam Harris? WHen talking about islam or eastern religion vs abhrahamic, he parrots harris all the time. <br /><br />Never stating his own opinion, despite the fact Harris basically follows new age religion, something dawkins mocks. Of course Dawkins believes harris in his back trackign claims of not believing in new age religion.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13462336302937640464noreply@blogger.com