tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post1733471171955879825..comments2024-03-28T03:20:15.940-07:00Comments on Edward Feser: Grisez on balancing health against other considerations Edward Feserhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13643921537838616224noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-13317585593160807192021-06-05T21:45:55.014-07:002021-06-05T21:45:55.014-07:00As far as I have read until today, I quote "b...As far as I have read until today, I quote "but are preventative in nature. ", it is an open question whether vaccination is preventive at all. Maybe it remains an open question. I still have to study this subject. Maybe it has to be put in the next way: In what way is it preventive and at what costs?henk korbeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980854278183124249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-61632535748521002932021-05-19T16:26:17.166-07:002021-05-19T16:26:17.166-07:00https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/do-zoom-meeting...https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/do-zoom-meetings-cause-lockdowns<br /><br />Zoom Meetings as Cause of Lockdowns.<br /><br />It all was social justice from the beginning...Father John Nauglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01753559891670814767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-68276005646883222782021-05-17T19:18:20.922-07:002021-05-17T19:18:20.922-07:00The vaccine is the mark of the beast and I ain'...The vaccine is the mark of the beast and I ain't taking it. Its all about Bill Gates and Fauci wanting to tag you so they can later bag you.MGTOW Platonistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-49097527512860709532021-05-16T00:34:43.830-07:002021-05-16T00:34:43.830-07:00Smoking and breathing helium are opposed to the na...Smoking and breathing helium <i>are</i> opposed to the natural function of the breathing faculty because they prevent the breathing faculty from doing what it's supposed to do, and namely, taking in substances the body needs, and on top of that, they actively destroy part of the faculty.Walter Van den Ackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101735542155226072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-1651501879082231892021-05-15T19:54:05.530-07:002021-05-15T19:54:05.530-07:00And a logic that fails to see that using a faculty...<i>And a logic that fails to see that using a faculty for something it is definitely not its natural use and which is really harmful, is wrong </i> <br /><br />As long as the use is not <b>opposed</b> to its natural purpose, why is it wrong? If it's wrong <i>because it is harmful</i>, then the use being outside of the natural object of the faculty is beside the point. Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159134209092031897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-36044198080312655892021-05-15T13:11:19.558-07:002021-05-15T13:11:19.558-07:00It’s so nice to see people openly rejecting freedo...It’s so nice to see people openly rejecting freedom of speech.Tom Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16067031472666752839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-73144720534705555252021-05-15T05:48:07.924-07:002021-05-15T05:48:07.924-07:00From WCB
One would hope that the problem with sys...From WCB<br /><br />One would hope that the problem with systematic racism would get some attention from modern day theologians and philosophers.<br /><br />WCBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-84948030558317707582021-05-15T04:56:14.995-07:002021-05-15T04:56:14.995-07:00Masks were never required in one's home.Masks were never required in one's home.God Hates Faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-87447599046118279892021-05-15T00:32:31.249-07:002021-05-15T00:32:31.249-07:00Tony
"As far as I can surmise, Walter is doi...Tony<br /><br />"As far as I can surmise, Walter is doing this in order to achieve a kind of reductio proof against ALL of the Catholic teachings based on perverted faculty arguments: prove that even ONE perverted faculty thesis results in a clear absurdity, and you prove that the whole perverted faculty model of argument fails."<br /><br />No, that is not what i am trying to do. I am not concerned with any Catholic teaching, I am only concerned with consistent logic.<br />And a logic that fails to see that using a faculty for something it is definitely not its natural use and which is really harmful, is wrong while at the same time claiming that using a faculty for something that is a least part of its function (e.g. pleasure) while it causes no harm whatsoever is morally wrong, is not an example of consistent logic. Walter Van den Ackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101735542155226072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-50165437950956863432021-05-15T00:25:04.867-07:002021-05-15T00:25:04.867-07:00Kyle
Yes, I have read it.
Tony
No, I would not ...Kyle<br /><br />Yes, I have read it.<br /><br />Tony<br /><br />No, I would not have you believe that drawing in breath to administer CPR to another, or to blow up a balloon, or to smell a perfume, or to become anesthetized, or to blow out candles, are all intrinsically disordered, as perversions of the faculty of breathing.<br />In order for something to count as a perversion, it must actively frustrate the natural end of the breathing faculty, which is breathing. Non of the things you mention prevents the breathing of air, except, maybe, becoming anesthetized, which is a medical procedure that is sometimes necessary.<br />"Breathing" helium to sound like a duck, however, does prevent the breathing faculties function of taking in the substances needed for the body to function. And so does smoking. Although you do in fact take in oxygen while smoking, the deliberate inhaling of toxic substances is definitely not one of the things breathing is meant for. <br />It's not about using a faculty that has multiple uses, it's about using a faculty for something that it is absolutely not its use.<br />Walter Van den Ackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101735542155226072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-83604960407939856352021-05-14T21:23:04.302-07:002021-05-14T21:23:04.302-07:00There should certainly be a warning about it, expl...There should certainly be a warning about it, explaining that although it is the blog of an apparently respectable minor professor, it is in fact a proaganda site for highly contentious and widely rejected beliefs, which if implemented, would severely constrain the freedoms of ordinary people. It is also the playground of numerous extreme right wing nutjobs and extremists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-44754254619697575982021-05-14T19:36:26.551-07:002021-05-14T19:36:26.551-07:00It's a bit like wearing a seat belt, true; jus...It's a bit like wearing a seat belt, true; just over your face instead of your waist. And, instead of while you're driving, while your sitting in a chair at home. - Simon JamesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-65499476871634067792021-05-14T18:35:54.134-07:002021-05-14T18:35:54.134-07:00Google Chrome is correct. It should be de-platform...Google Chrome is correct. It should be de-platformed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-16405481693322334372021-05-14T17:34:23.430-07:002021-05-14T17:34:23.430-07:00Hey, Ed: Google Chrome is labeling this blog post ...Hey, Ed: Google Chrome is labeling this blog post a "deceptive site." You might want to take a look at that. Mister Geoconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16399252824689527561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-58879699091101039932021-05-14T14:47:28.264-07:002021-05-14T14:47:28.264-07:00Breathing helium to sound like Donald Duck frustra...<i>Breathing helium to sound like Donald Duck frustrates the natural end of the breathing faculty because the natural end of that faculty is to inhale and process substances that the human body needs. </i> <br /><br />It is always important to be cautious in the case of bodily parts, organ systems, and faculties, that have <b>multiple</b> uses. "The purpose" of the hand is not <i>solely</i> to hold, and the purpose of the foot is not <i>solely</i> to walk. They have many purposes: the hand is used to caress, to strike, to signal, etc. The foot is used to kick, to strike, etc. <br /><br />Walter would have us believe that drawing in breath to administer CPR to another, or to blow up a balloon, or to smell a perfume, or to become anesthetized, or to squeek like a duck, or to blow out candles, are all intrinsically disordered, as perversions of the faculty of breathing. <br /><br />As far as I can surmise, Walter is doing this in order to achieve a kind of reductio proof against ALL of the Catholic teachings based on perverted faculty arguments: prove that even ONE perverted faculty thesis results in a clear absurdity, and you prove that the whole perverted faculty model of argument fails. <br /><br />Well, it probably wouldn't anyway, but in order to get off the ground, you have to actually HAVE one such perverted faculty argument that the Church makes. Walter, it is ONLY YOU who thinks there is a perverted faculty argument to be made for breathing air for respiration alone, not the Catholic Church, so your approach doesn't work with this. <br /><br /><i>@Walter, have you read Dr. Feser's paper on the perverted faculty argument? </i> <br /><br />Kyle, I am fairly confident Walter has read some of Feser's points on perverted faculties (even if not that specific post). He has a habit of interpreting Catholic teachings in an extreme way, a way that exceeds what any Catholic would say, and try to use those extreme theses to make an argument to reject Catholic teaching. It is one form of the "straw man" fallacy. <br /><br />But in any case, the perverted faculty argument takes in a situation where the proposed action DEFEATS the purpose. In smoking, the smoker <b>does in fact take in oxygen</b>, along with other stuff, and the smoke does not simply defeat respiration. In addition, is simply is NOT true that breathing is for one thing only, and Walter's assertions to the contrary are not supported by the facts or argument. Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07159134209092031897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-14164222917650023922021-05-14T13:30:43.094-07:002021-05-14T13:30:43.094-07:00Anon,
You just proved my point. Cheney, instead ...Anon, <br /><br />You just proved my point. Cheney, instead of focusing on Biden and the Dems and the political events of the present, is still talking about Trump, which is just a distraction. She clearly has more interest in talking about Trump than what is currently affecting the lives of Americans. If she had integrity and honor, she wouldn't even be talking about the big lie.<br /><br />If the GOP cared so much about pleasing Trump, why are they not pushing the big lie? Instead they are just ignoring it and focusing on the issues facing Americans right now. Your story simply doesn't add up. Billyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14579200479132033014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-55901365473613889802021-05-14T11:08:13.850-07:002021-05-14T11:08:13.850-07:00@Walter, have you read Dr. Feser's paper on th...@Walter, have you read Dr. Feser's paper on the perverted faculty argument? <br /><br />https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4SjM0oabZazWC1SRmN0WXVpYkE/viewKylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15815423557402118285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-11732159194182851892021-05-14T11:04:42.468-07:002021-05-14T11:04:42.468-07:00IMHO, the culture war against masks and vaccines i...IMHO, the culture war against masks and vaccines is the DUMBEST culture war ever. It is a tiny sacrifice, like wearing a seatbelt, that could have tremendous positive impact. But because Conservatives decided to make this a culture war, it moved from common sense, to common contempt. Emphasizing health is not the same as emphasizing ONLY health.<br /><br />Also, if the author defines "pro-life" to exclude "pro-health", then "pro-life" simply means "pro-birth". God Hates Faithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-65576225445921717582021-05-14T09:38:17.468-07:002021-05-14T09:38:17.468-07:00https://ibb.co/BHJt8M0
The link shows the officia...https://ibb.co/BHJt8M0<br /><br />The link shows the official total (all-causes) death rate numbers from Sweden from 1968-2020 by age group. Sweden was well and truly vilified for doing basically nothing about covid-19. The plot also shows the percent change in total death rates in 2020 vs. the 2000-2019 mean. Note the 90+ age group is the only age group with a slightly higher death rate in 2020 vs. the 2000-2019 mean. I use all-causes death rate data because covid-19 specific data are not trustworthy.<br /><br />This virus does kill but the vast majority of reactions by government/media (and about half the population who are actually loving these overreactions) across the world are grossly (and damagingly) disproportionate to the lethality of the disease.John DiGregorionoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-1792636328836204022021-05-14T03:49:54.649-07:002021-05-14T03:49:54.649-07:00“it is universal knowledge that it is potentially ...“it is universal knowledge that it is potentially very dangerous”<br /><br />Which makes me wonder why you think you have to protect everyone from an off-the-cuff gaff. Since it’s “universal knowledge” that drinking cleaning products is ridiculous, there’s no need attribute such gravity to the comment. <br /><br />The claim that it’s all just lighthearted fun is contradicted by the inability to show any restraint of the hatred, and the nonsensical assumption that anyone who doesn’t dogpile on even the most ridiculous catastrophizing of every word Trump says is a Trump “darling”. <br /><br />Trump has broken your brain.<br />T Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06287822708519943071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-67053666510309274972021-05-14T00:56:56.141-07:002021-05-14T00:56:56.141-07:00Unknown 12:07
Breathing helium to sound like Dona...Unknown 12:07<br /><br />Breathing helium to sound like Donald Duck frustrates the natural end of the breathing faculty because the natural end of that faculty is to inhale and process substances that the human body needs. Actively and knowingly Using the faculty to substances that are harmful is an active frustration of the faculty.<br /><br />And masturbation doesn't harm our brain and our relationship. <i>Excessive</i> masturbation may be harmful in some way, but so is excessive wtater drinking.Walter Van den Ackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16101735542155226072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-37786582518926326632021-05-14T00:27:22.689-07:002021-05-14T00:27:22.689-07:00No shortage of members. Seriously, despite annoyin...No shortage of members. Seriously, despite annoying us no end over this, the lefties have managed to acquire serious mental health issues over this. Notice how they they just can't psychologically accept moving out of lockdown mode? They want to continue their professional lives via zoom indefinitely (witness their scary, crazy visages staring wildly out of screens?). They really have come to believe their own line and that's bad for them. I think they're coming out of this more fragile and disfunctional than the rest of the population. In Mediterranean countries they're fighting a losing battle against the masses who want to have fun and haven't forgotten how. A little secret for dealing with the femo-nazi control freaks: laugh at them. It kills them. Miguel Cervantesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-49923970724643084492021-05-13T23:24:22.083-07:002021-05-13T23:24:22.083-07:00Cantus
See what I mean about Yako? Got anything ...Cantus<br /><br /> See what I mean about Yako? Got anything to say about him, or do you only intervene to berate those you deem problematic when they are not 'in-house' and Thomists? Nice little grovelling flourish to you at the end there but not as nauseating as the verbal fallatio he regularly delivers to Feser.<br /> <br /> I am not bashful and so will not use asterisks. Yakov is a cunt pure and simple, and I will thoroughly enjoy myself winding the twat up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-59266754324012535742021-05-13T23:14:52.828-07:002021-05-13T23:14:52.828-07:00TN
The comment about hoping that injecting disin...TN<br /><br /> The comment about hoping that injecting disinfectant might get him was meant as a humerous rider to the previous one of how many lives would have been saved if he had not recovered from covid. I would not have mourned the scum for a whole host of other reasons too.<br /><br /> As regards disinfectant, it is a household product used by all and so it is universal knowledge that it is potentially very dangerous to the skin and should be handled with great care. The idea of injecting it is utterly moronic. The lady health officer present at that press briefing was clearly mortified by his comments, and throughout the world governments and health officials immediately sprang into action to contradict and condemn him, lest his comments raise completely unjustified hopes or actually lead some to inject or otherwise clean themselves internally by drinking disinfectant.<br /><br /> C'mon TN, get a sense of humour, and stop doting over even the most irresponsible and idiotic things your darling Trump says.<br /><br />FreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12542926199146156167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8954608646904080796.post-48600759570314664672021-05-13T22:38:39.863-07:002021-05-13T22:38:39.863-07:00Anonymous
In reply to myself above , I see that ...Anonymous<br /><br /> In reply to myself above , I see that DLW posted just a few comments ago at the head of the previous comments thread of 10.53AM. I can see why you called him vermin - I just took him to be completely unhinged with such a ludicrous post. Is he usually so unmeasured and extreme?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com